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Posted: 11 years ago
#61
Thank you, Sonia, and my Deepavali resolution, to stop critiquing Jodha, is meant to achieve the same happy state of mind!😉

The resolution of the body heat conundrum today was so ludicrous in terms of either logic or simple physics that it did a lot to restore my mood. Do see my response to Kamal above if you have the time.

As for Ruqaiya, you are too harsh on her. I do not agree with the facile explanation that she is simply defending her own interests that are tied to Jalal. She attaches top priority to Jalal's takht because she is a Mughal princess and she has seen all the terrors and upheavals he has been thru, and thus sees the paramount need for him to retain the throne. But as Alakh says, she is his childhood friend and she loves him in her own fashion. That cannot be denied.

To revert, Hamida Banu says the same to Jodha after the tiger attack, when Jalal is at death's door. She never seems to be mourning the likely death of her son then, does she?She only voices fear for what will happen to the sultanate if the Shahenshah dies. So how, using the same logic, would you interpret those statements by Hamida? Obviously that she cares nothing for Jalal as her son, but only for the Emperor.

Jodha has seen nothing of any kind of hardship in her life, except when Amer is threatened by Sharifuddin. So, by the same token, if and when Jodha tries to protect Jalal in the future, one could argue similarly that it would be because his continuance in power is vital for Amer's survival.

That would not be true, and neither is it true that Ruqaiya's fears for Jalal are motivated solely by her self interest. Or Hamida's for that matter.

I would like it if Jodha some day graduated to the same level of sharpness in defending Jalal's interests in Agra, and not thinking all the time about her maayka. There was a flash of it when she spoke up against the Rat King to her family, but it was a flash in the pan.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


she may have said that but she does love him in her own way.. he is her childhood companion.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#62
Thank you, my dear, and your wish for a quick resolution has been fulfilled today. However, the episode itself, bar the message from Sheikh Salim Chisti, was slapdash and, as far as the black cloth explanation for the ugly body heat track goes, ludicrous in the extreme. Do take a look at my response to Kamal above!

I also agree with you about the maulvis. I had predicted this in my post about the Kali mandir visit.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: Ariel

Loved reading your post!!Very well analyzed! I loved Ruqs and her quick reaction too, in fact I was missing her and her quick wit that shows up as per the convenience of the CVs! Thank you for the explanations, I was confused about the power the maulvis had over the throne.


And, thank you for quoting me !!😳

Diwali, is almost over, hope you had a good one. Wishing you the best for the coming year!

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'm glad the maulvis threw a fit. I cant imagine an emperors rule being smooth and problem free and this track they are showing makes us more appreciative of Jalal as a ruler and how his wives might have supported him. Dare I say, I prefer this to the crass body heat track :)
Just hoping they dont stretch it out and make it unpleasant like the MC track forcing us to turn off the tv at 8 for a few days.

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Posted: 11 years ago
#63

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Sonia, and my Deepavali resolution, to stop critiquing Jodha, is meant to achieve the same happy state of mind!😉

The resolution of the body heat conundrum today was so ludicrous in terms of either logic or simple physics that it did a lot to restore my mood. Do see my response to Kamal above if you have the time.

As for Ruqaiya, you are too harsh on her. I do not agree with the facile explanation that she is simply defending her own interests that are tied to Jalal. She attaches top priority to Jalal's takht because she is a Mughal princess and she has seen all the terrors and upheavals he has been thru, and thus sees the paramount need for him to retain the throne. But as Alakh says, she is his childhood friend and she loves him in her own fashion. That cannot be denied.

To revert, Hamida Banu says the same to Jodha after the tiger attack, when Jalal is at death's door. She never seems to be mourning the likely death of her son then, does she?She only voices fear for what will happen to the sultanate if the Shahenshah dies. So how, using the same logic, would you interpret those statements by Hamida? Obviously that she cares nothing for Jalal as her son, but only for the Emperor.

Jodha has seen nothing of any kind of hardship in her life, except when Amer is threatened by Sharifuddin. So, by the same token, if and when Jodha tries to protect Jalal in the future, one could argue similarly that it would be because his continuance in power is vital for Amer's survival.

That would not be true, and neither is it true that Ruqaiya's fears for Jalal are motivated solely by her self interest. Or Hamida's for that matter.

I would like it if Jodha some day graduated to the same level of sharpness in defending Jalal's interests in Agra, and not thinking all the time about her maayka. There was a flash of it when she spoke up against the Rat King to her family, but it was a flash in the pan.

Shyamala


Thanks Shyamala Ji😊

I try not to be harsh on anyone. 😃 In Ruqs case , I see her for who she is ...a childhood friend of Jalal and his chief Begum...all her actions are geared towards protecting her own interests and position...if you recall she has lied to Jalal in Moti-AK case and also during Bairam-Ma episode...I would hate to call that love for Jalal its more of manipulating and dominating him ! She got quite a jhatka today. 😆

As for Hamida, I absolutely love her .🤗 Jalal and Hamida share a very complex relationship...will not even try to make sense of it. I guess its something sacred between a mother and a son...inexplicable. 😃

Jalal -Jodha...I signed up for their love story and am happy to accompany them on this journey...I try not to let excess baggage bother me.😆
Please pardon the affront.🤗

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Kamal I typed a long long reply and lost it all...😭
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Posted: 11 years ago
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👏😭Shyamala I disagree that what Ruku did was exceptional...Saying that wahat Ruku did was a big thing which others begum never thought off , well they might not have the means to do it and if you want to give the credit then give it to Hoshiyaar...
I also know that in this forum HB will not be given any credit that she managed to save both JJ.😭..but she had done something wrong then whole forum would have been after her.😡..Again no one has critised how HB was being treated by MA in Amer and that also infront of Jalal...That worthless son stood there quietly...

Ruku is the most insensitive womaen...How she said "Sirf ek kalma padne ki baat hi toh Hai"😡

I am glad Jadha didn't offer her her conversion on a plate.Mazzak nahi hai religion change karna...Woh bhi ek strong personality ke liye..👏
Have a nice day Shyamala..
Edited by elasingh - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: deejagi

It could have been one of the daasi's or Gulam from Ruqaiya's regim who is keeping track of all the happenings around Jalal & Jodha. It could be from any other begum's jasoos who happen to hear it from daadisa who have passed on eth info.
One thing was clear to Jalal from this episode that Ruqaiya is keeping tab of his movements and though he dismissed it with a smirk, he has taken that into account.
Jaya


I posted a topic regarding the same.. I suspect ruku's jasoos!
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Posted: 11 years ago
#67
fabulous post Aunty 🤗
that black cloth is a bullshit thing🤬 ur saying of elementary physics is a classic slap on cvs 😉
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sorry for late reply Shaymala.. It is good that Religion issued sorted out quickly and also Jodha got her answer. Who has leaked the information may be Shariff as adham didn't . Ruku may be, but she very well knows what happens, but may be she though Jalaal give more importance to the Shahansha, and will make Jodha convert her religion.

How did Hamida knew the message will come from khawaaja Chisti ? Did she sent the information herself in Ameer itself, as she knew Moulavis can make an objection of Jalaal going to temple?

Hope after this body heat incident Jodha realize Jalaal is not after physical relationship and will not break the promise.

The best dialogue " Kalme mein aur mantra mein kya farak hai? Kucch nahin " "Khuda, as we address HIM in our faith , is to be embraced by love and HE is not someone who should evoke terror. That's not what Islam is "

Precap looks interesting...
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Posted: 11 years ago
#69

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Oh, oh, oh, look who is cheesed off with me! Don't be, Ela dear! I should have studded my last one to you wih 😉s, galti ho gayi! This said, I think we had better stop discussing this topic at all for as long as I am still here, for it gets us nowhere.

So do have it your own way, even if it means giving Hamida a gold medal for that 11:59:59 reprieve for Jodha. Of course she knew that the man from Ajmer Sharif would land up just before Jodha read the kalma, like a bomb being defused always with 1 second to go. Probably she knew he was like Harry Potter, and could apparate it with that green missive.😉

As for my nice day, it remains to be seen, but my days are not dependent on Jodha Akbar!

Shyamala

Yes I was angry with you as you gave no credit at all to Jodha and HB ( I love her even more than Jodha).🤣...But I love you more...
Once again have a nice day..🤗
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Posted: 11 years ago
#70
Sonia my dear, why on earth would I be affronted by differences of opinion? Perish the thought!

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: sonia_1

Thanks Shyamala Ji😊

I try not to be harsh on anyone. 😃 In Ruqs case , I see her for who she is ...a childhood friend of Jalal and his chief Begum...all her actions are geared towards protecting her own interests and position...if you recall she has lied to Jalal in Moti-AK case and also during Bairam-Ma episode...I would hate to call that love for Jalal its more of manipulating and dominating him ! She got quite a jhatka today. 😆

As for Hamida, I absolutely love her .🤗 Jalal and Hamida share a very complex relationship...will not even try to make sense of it. I guess its something sacred between a mother and a son...inexplicable. 😃

Jalal -Jodha...I signed up for their love story and am happy to accompany them on this journey...I try not to let excess baggage bother me.😆
Please pardon the affront.🤗

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Sonia, and my Deepavali resolution, to stop critiquing Jodha, is meant to achieve the same happy state of mind!😉

The resolution of the body heat conundrum today was so ludicrous in terms of either logic or simple physics that it did a lot to restore my mood. Do see my response to Kamal above if you have the time.

As for Ruqaiya, you are too harsh on her. I do not agree with the facile explanation that she is simply defending her own interests that are tied to Jalal. She attaches top priority to Jalal's takht because she is a Mughal princess and she has seen all the terrors and upheavals he has been thru, and thus sees the paramount need for him to retain the throne. But as Alakh says, she is his childhood friend and she loves him in her own fashion. That cannot be denied.

To revert, Hamida Banu says the same to Jodha after the tiger attack, when Jalal is at death's door. She never seems to be mourning the likely death of her son then, does she?She only voices fear for what will happen to the sultanate if the Shahenshah dies. So how, using the same logic, would you interpret those statements by Hamida? Obviously that she cares nothing for Jalal as her son, but only for the Emperor.

Jodha has seen nothing of any kind of hardship in her life, except when Amer is threatened by Sharifuddin. So, by the same token, if and when Jodha tries to protect Jalal in the future, one could argue similarly that it would be because his continuance in power is vital for Amer's survival.

That would not be true, and neither is it true that Ruqaiya's fears for Jalal are motivated solely by her self interest. Or Hamida's for that matter.

I would like it if Jodha some day graduated to the same level of sharpness in defending Jalal's interests in Agra, and not thinking all the time about her maayka. There was a flash of it when she spoke up against the Rat King to her family, but it was a flash in the pan.

Shyamala



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