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Posted: 11 years ago
Yes, Sara dear, but that was for the original Ruqaiya, not this one, and by that I mean not just the actress, but the character as well. I did feel that she was creeping back to her original self when she tells Jalal that he should take Jodha with him to Ajmer as it was a matter of his safety, but there has been some reversion to the plastic Ruqaiya after that.

I do not at all blame her for slapping Jodha: I would have beaten her black and blue. But the nuances I loved earlier and praised repeatedly seem to be gone for good. And then, I did not do any post about Episode 81, where there would have been quite a bit about her. That is the reason you have not seen me doing anything about her here

And Sara, I read very few other posts, as I simply do not have the time, but I did read both of yours and commented on them as well, though not about Ruqaiya.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: smile.sara

aunty you are not saying a word on ruqs...not even in answer of any comment on her... i remember once you said ruqayya's character is one of interesting n your favorite character from telly shows

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Posted: 11 years ago

Aunty.. Jalal will fix sukanya's marriage with a Rajvanshi.. we'll have Amer scenes soon.. they have also started shooting for the seq. Jalal will accompany them. and actor called Nikhil sharma will play sukanya's husband
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Posted: 11 years ago
A very sensitive and emotional analysis, Jaya, which I loved reading.

I do not normally hold any brief for Jodha, and I felt like clouting her for her self-righteous and ignorant piece of meddling, but over the last 2 episodes, I did feel very sorry for the poor, desperately lonely, guilt-ridden young girl. She has absolutely no one to turn to, Hamida Begum excepted, and Hamida is herself under tremendous pressures if a kind that Jodha, with her limited knowledge and experience, can barely comprehend.

I am sure they will both come out of this, he stronger and she more sensible. But as for love, that is a way off yet, and that is all for the better, as the relationship develops slowly, step by step.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: deejagi

A very well written analysis of teh episode. Loved your preseptions. There is no doubt about te acting skills of Paridhi or Rajat as we could not even think it as an act at any time during the entire episode. Jodha's dismay what did I do and why did I act so stupidly was very well enacted by Paridhi. The guilt that she made him fight the tiger, the shame for not thinking beyond some herbivorous animals's presence in the jungle, the helplessness when the tiger attacking Jalal and that she could not do much to divert the tiger from Jalal were greatly played acrosss Jodha's face. the shock she got when the brutally hurt Jalal attacked teh tiger in a lighning speed and killed it before he collapsed was fantastic.

When Jalal collapsed after killing the tiger, all she thought was of jalal and nothing else. She didn't even once thought about what will happen to her or his other Begums or to his mother or the Hindustan. She was only concerned about his life. She cried out in despire that she came to pray for his well being and what has she done now? She put his life in danger. In her cry she conveys to him that it bwa not her intentions to harm him, she don't want to mourn, so he can't die and he will not die. The reason, she had to come to pray for his safety and she has done that whole heartedly, so there is no question of him dying. All her sins were washed out in the rain, even the sindhoor which he had claimed to fill to take revenge. Now when she was struggling to shift him to the safety, he had refilled her mong afresh, with his own blood, the changed Jalal, who doesn't carry any revenge on her. Only during that moment, the moment she toughed the blood stained mong, she realized what he is to her. (she also got the flash back of him filling her mongduring wedding). So now she realized, he is her husband, and his life is in danger. She will do anything to save him from the clutches of death.
Alas, there he tells her what bothers him more than the death is " he doesn't want his mother and Ruqaiya see him in that critical condition as he knows very well they will breakdown. He is OK with death but doesn't like his wives wear white robe (she has taught him the meaning of colours and doesn't like her to wear white, he can't imagine her life without colours.) In that fleeting moment he ha srealised how innocent his wife is and how difficult it will be for her to lead a life without his shelter in the shrewed world. She could have kept quite, without acknoledging the fact that she had unloaded the gun. She would have enjoyed the freedom once he was arracked by the tiger (she wanted the freedom from him, she didn't want to tay anywhere near him) but here she is crying for his injury and helplessly assuring him that he will not die. What else a man require other than this innonece eagerness for him from the person who hated even his shodow?
after this, some how I feel the entire Agra scene had to be her wild imagination after his proclaimation. She visualize the scenario the moment she carries the almost lifeless body of her husband, the Shehanshah Jalal to Agra. The peoples behaviour and they will act spantaniously to the idea of alomost losing their emperor of Mughal Sultanate. How it will affect his mother Hamida Bhanu, how MA will act as a wazir but also as his badi ammi as well as Adham Khan's mother. Even in that moment Jodha can't think to lie to HB, and only she (Jodha) knew the truth. She could have saved her skin by telling some lie, but Jodha is not such a naive person who even think of lying & scheming some cooked up story. (If she had that capability, she would never have accused MA openly or put forth her doubts on MA in front of Shehansha). She doesn't think of her future but accept her fault in front of HB without any hindrance.
However, all i feel is that, if the entire Agra track is a reality, then let the precap also be a reality because, Ruqaiya will not keep quite and mourn silently. She will demand for an explaination for Jalal's failured hunting trip and Jodha is too guilt ridden to even lie despite HB ruling that truth to b kept under wrap.
Jaya

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Posted: 11 years ago
Well. well,well! Mynavati will now anoint Jalal as a saint, complete with a halo!😉
Now, kid, I hope you are happy at long last!

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: Autumn_Rose


Aunty.. Jalal will fix sukanya's marriage with a Rajvanshi.. we'll have Amer scenes soon.. they have also started shooting for the seq. Jalal will accompany them. and actor called Nikhil sharma will play sukanya's husband

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Posted: 11 years ago
Just hope its true.. But I guess there is a lot of time for that.
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Posted: 11 years ago
Very true, From hatred to love, it is not something simple to jump the cliff. They will have to start behaving in normalcy first as both are buring with guilt and shame. Till now both have behaved & faught like cat & dog and all of a sudden if they turn out to blush, it is difficult to digest for us as well. So let them become friends and share some light moments and gradually, they will develop some special feelings. Just because she is guilt of nearly killing him and only becaus she tried hard to save his life after the tiger attack, they can't possibly claim / feel they love each other (that is why the Khudha sent teh tiger to act as cupid.). Even after realising their feelings, it will take more time to voice it as both will be apprehensive about the other ones feelings and fear the rejection.
Jaya

Originally posted by: sashashyam

A very sensitive and emotional analysis, Jaya, which I loved reading.

I do not normally hold any brief for Jodha, and I felt like clouting her for her self-righteous and ignorant piece of meddling, but over the last 2 episodes, I did feel very sorry for the poor, desperately lonely, guilt-ridden young girl. She has absolutely no one to turn to, Hamida Begum excepted, and Hamida is herself under tremendous pressures if a kind that Jodha, with her limited knowledge and experience, can barely comprehend.

I am sure they will both come out of this, he stronger and she more sensible. But as for love, that is a way off yet, and that is all for the better, as the relationship develops slowly, step by step.

Shyamala

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Posted: 11 years ago
Oh Aunty! it is not our raging hormones in over-drive or our Love & the other L 😉 For Rajat, that makes us dream up scenes of romance between the two . But romance there is between the two.

But a Relationship, is too long a way off. And all for the better. It would be for the best if it develops, "step by step!" 😉

😃
Edited by Mallika-E-Bhais - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
Young Tripti,

Get thee behind me, you imp! I am not going to start arguing with you again. Begone!!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Oh Aunty! it is not our raging hormones in over-drive or our Love & the other L 😉 For Rajat, that makes us dream up scenes of romance between the two . But romance there is between the two.

But a Relationship, is too long a way off. And all for the better. It would be for the best if it develops, "step by step!" 😉

😃

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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: Mallika-E-Bhais

Oh Aunty! it is not our raging hormones in over-drive or our Love & the other L 😉 For Rajat, that makes us dream up scenes of romance between the two . But romance there is between the two.

But a Relationship, is too long a way off. And all for the better. It would be for the best if it develops, "step by step!" 😉

😃


😆
and Aunty its Rajat's fault😆

Saari galti ushi ki hai..he is too adorable😆
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Posted: 11 years ago

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My very dear Lehar-e-Mahtaab,

First of all, you are being distinctly unfair to me in bracketing my scrupulously unromantic and didactic pieceon No.80 (I have omitted No, 81, for obvious reasons!) with all the purple prose that was flooding the forum about the (largely imaginary) passion being allegedly kept tightly under wraps by our leads. Be fair, my sweet, and grant me my due!😉

Oh, sorry if I gave the impression 😛

Yours was, expectedly one of the rare posts that weren't championing the romance cause and the absolute loss of opportunity 😃 I have no doubts regarding the tone and logic of it.
I did mention in my post in your last thread that I hoped Mohan would bring about a self realisation for the two, mostly for Jodha but his attack should not be an onset of a hackneyed love-track. I want this story to tickle my brain and not aim for the endocrine system (though that wouldn't be much successful a campaign 😃) Also a sudden blossoming of love a la toadstool between them would have been...well lets say I'm a flop as a romantic.

But somewhere you seemed quite happy with the episode, whereas I had found it lacking...hence the opening gambit 😊


I would grant you the @red, with the reservation that I did like Paridhi on Monday, stock shots and all. The whole was, with all its defects of screenplay (tying him to her with that vine, instead of half of her dupatta, for example; see extract below from my earlier post), shot composition, and editing ,the last especially of the struggle with Mohan (who was magnificent and did his best, including climbing that tree, which tigers rarely do,as opposed to leopards), better than I had feared.
Tigers, being of the Cat family can climb. But as they are the heaviest of felines, climbing is not an easy task for them. Same reason why they are not good at spot high jumps. Again they need to gather momentum by running a bit so that they can hoist themselves up a tree. Also grown tiger can't climb to higher branches. I know of an instance when a pregnant tigress hounded by villagers climbed atop a Palmira tree.
So I'm cutting Mohan some slack 😃😉

There was a measure of desperation and near hysteria to Jodha which I, frankly, did not expect. Plus, I was so relieved that they did not make her drag him to a conveniently placed cave and cure him miraculously with the application of some nearby jadi booti, that I was prepared to be lenient re: her emoting. She is not in the same class as Rajat, so one's expectations of her are lower to begin with. She was not, I feel, capable of doing any more. Within those parameters, I liked her a lot. . But the success of an actor, like beauty, always lies in the eyes of the beholder, and this must have been no exception.

Re Paridhi's Jodha, I think her performance is further hampered by the absence of clarity in the production team about what the character should actually be...a lot of confusion there.
You and others here have mentioned some of the Q's that were in my mind as well about why she did not use her Dupatta to tie Jalal to self.
I would also like to ask why not tear the same length of cloth and tie up his wounds to try stop the blood from flowing? Why bath his cuts with muddy water? As a Rajput princess a basic knowledge and exposure to such wounds should have been a part of her experience kitty. She has also seen severed heads including that of Suryabhan's, so gore should not be her problem...
Have you ever witnessed a dog in attack mode? You will find yourself more animated (than Jodha) or simply paralaysed by the sight. And here Jalal was being mauled by Mohan and all Jodha does is stand with a scrunched up expression, flexing and unflexing a fist!!
Lecturing a mortally wounded man on the verge of losing his senses on Nirdosh Pashupranee was incredibly stupid a concept 😆
The Midday Sun to sundown and down pour as you mention is also one of those mysteries that will remain unsolved.

You say they should have constructed at least a makeshift stretcher for Jalal...Again the Logical mind speaking 😊 His wounds were mostly on the chest and they put him chest down and head hanging on the horse...enough to kill whatever chances the man may have had of surviving.
But even before that, where did that Horse come from? If assuming the Shehenshah and his begum had ridden to their place of Appointment with Mohan, where had they left the Horses? because a jungle is no place to leave your mount at the mercy of its own resources...I mean Mohan could have attacked them too...or was there a no-attack zone somewhere? Or had Mohan made prior promise to attack the Royal couple only?
Again what happened to the other Horse? Or had the two again shared mount while travelling to meet Mohan?

I can go on and on...

As for Jodha hauling Jalal up... must have been a result of the practiced ease with which she carried all that tonnage of Gold around every day. Don't underestimate her muscles.

The squeaky rewind of Jodha's entirely unwanted nightmare sounded like something out of Tom and Jerry!😉

@blue
. I have, as you would have noticed, said exactly the same, and at somewhat greater length, in my post, in the section about the Mughal ladies., and in the Star of the Day. If I had done a post for No.81, Hamida Banu would have been the Star of the Day again, and this as much for the clear-eyed enunciation of what the others feel about Jodha and the consequent danger she runs from them, as for her steadfast faith in her and support for her. Jodha should compare Hamida in this crisis with her own Maasa. Mahaam too was splendid on the fort ramparts, but she could hardly have hoped to keep the matter secret.

In the past two epis I think we are allowed a glimpse of the genes that actually shaped Jalal. Hamida Banu showded, beneath that placid exterior lies a woman worldly wise, attuned to the political complexities of the era and toughened by the ravels of time. It couldn't have been easy being Humayun's begum... living a life of exile under constant threats in a foreign land with foreign people, letting go of your son at such a tender age. She is an Empress in every sense..and also a loving Mother. She found it in her to rise above the situation. She could so easily have blamed Jodha for all that's transpired, but she does the opposite, protects with all the powers at her disposal...couldn't have been an easy ask from a mother who isn't sure if her child will survive.
Mainawati in the same situation would probably have surrendered to multiple fits of fainting.

Mahamanga on the other hand shows what steel she is made of. And why she is a Wazir-e-ala...Ashwini had been hamming too much recently...but on Monday she was brilliant!
Extract:
They just meandered on bizarrely, one moment he is mauled in bright sunlight, next they are soaked by rain in near dark. What happened in the interim?

Even granting that he is partly conscious when they both get on the horse, later she hauls him up on the horse in the same position as Jalal did once for Abdul, head hanging down. How can she hoist such a dead weight on to the horse, at least 4 feet high?

Lastly, how close are they to Agra, and why do they not prepare a makeshift litter and carry him in that, without letting the blood rush to his head continuously like that?

One more bloomer: she should have used her dupatta to tied him to her on the horse. it could have been done very decently. The dupatta is as wide as a normal saree. You need the length for tying themselves together, not the width. It could have been torn in half widthwise and the full 5 yards length used very effectively, and she could still have used the other half width as a dupatta.

And where is Motibai when she is needed the most? Has she eloped with Abdul??😉

Ahem...here I do have inside information...but...My lips are sealed 😉

Cheer up, darling, things can only look up from now on. To aid in the process, take a look at my scolding of Alakh, Tripti & Co., on pages 8&9, including my take (with apologies to the Bard of Avon) on the Six Stages of Romantic Love. It will do you some good!

Will do 😃 I'm not exaclty heartbroken, its just that like a fool I keep expecting sense and logic from a Balaji saop. So this cheering was something I did need.

Affectionately,

Shyamala

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