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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dear Suvi,

I am so glad you liked this loo,,ong post so much! As I told Disha above, I was in two minds about it, but seeing how many of you have liked it, I am glad I did it after all, even if it took me till 2 am to finish up!

Your response is every bit as well done, especially the parts @blue, and your description of Jalal gets to the core of his being. He does suppress his natural instincts, both around Jodha, and when he listens to the babbling of some of the women there. His iron self-control here foreshadows, and shows glimpses of the great strategist he was to become.

But there is also the impulsive youngster who takes over at times, as when he grabs the palki support from the man there, and starts looking upwards at once, so much so that I could not understand how he did not stumble!😉

I agree with you about Jodha's looks , and I really liked the way she reacted to the mark on his arm.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

Originally posted by: Super Kool

Beautiful post👍🏼


Jalal, the arrogant emperor...who refuses to blink even when death is staring at him...his interaction with jodha...the manner in which he convinces her of being a sainik...it just blew my mind...the way he said umerkot cracked me up...the guy is one hell of a liar...he suppressed his natural instincts around jodha yet, he was oozing royalty, strength and power...he is sharp, witty, arrogant and a loner...these qualities make him intriguing...kudos to the actor as well...rajat is doing a fine job...

Bloopers- can't offer any explanation...😆

I really look forward to your posts...just love them...thank you...

I noticed that jodha wears minimal make up...it's great...they should keep it that way...😊

P.S.-my name is Suvi


Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Dear Suvi,

I am so glad you liked this loo,,ong post so much! As I told Disha above, I was in two minds about it, but seeing how many of you have liked it, I am glad I did it after all, even if it took me till 2 am to finish up!

Your response is every bit as well done, especially the parts @blue, and your description of Jalal gets to the core of his being. He does suppress his natural instincts, both around Jodha, and when he listens to the babbling of some of the women there. His iron self-control here foreshadows, and shows glimpses of the great strategist he was to become.

But there is also the impulsive youngster who takes over at times, as when he grabs the palki support from the man there, and starts looking upwards at once, so much so that I could not understand how he did not stumble!😉

I agree with you about Jodha's looks , and I really liked the way she reacted to the mark on his arm.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


I enjoy reading your posts...thank you for putting in so much efforts for us... just like other forum friends I am a huge fan of your posts, analysis and assessments...its an absolute pleasure to read them...they resonate our feelings...infact, expressed in the most graceful way possible...

Yes, the palki part...I was grinning at that point...he goes running like an awestruck youngster...to get a glimpse of the princess...multitasking at it's best...😉


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Posted: 12 years ago
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Thank you, my dear.

Going by your id, you must be, like me, a migrant from the now moribund PR forum. Or are you still active there?I stopped even watching PR some time back, and whenever I take a peek at a random episode fro old times' sake, I am glad I did quit!! But all of you young people must be looking forward to a grand ArVi reunion, so maybe there is still something there for you, if not for me. I do hope, however, that Rithvik and Asha go on to other, really good show, singly or together. They are both really good, and they deserve something better.

Shyamala B.Cowsik

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Shyamala,

An engaging read *CLAPS* *HUGS*⭐️🤗

Somehow the title of your post fits the whole process of Revelation as you called it a double bill. However I would like to say it was more a multi-pronged approach to the revelation of lot of things and aspect in the characters and their mind sets.

The astuteness as you refer to Jalaal is his forte , somehow like his skin woven with him. What is intriguing in this matter is the fact that this revelation adds a complete new dimension to his character. Though he claims to be the one who is emotionally deprived and does not have a heart, but we do see the limits he transcends in his pursuit to save a mere sentinel Abdul. Like Abdul has this mark of belief in his eyes that the emperor would surely come to save him, Jalaal seems to fulfill all the expectations Abdul has from him.

So on a different level altogether,we do see beneath the layers of a hardened soul and claims of brutality of a POWER –STARVED emperor, there exists a tender soul ,a soul which understands and values emotions like loyalty .So at this point someone needs to PEEL those layers to UNLEASH the HUMAN inside him. Like we see how Jodha's certain words did make him ponder for even a split second.SO THEY KIND OF FIT TOGETHER LIKE THE BROKEN PIECES OF PUZZLE where she would be the ULTIMATE cause for LEAVENING the hard fibers of his heart.

It brings me to a very different yet interesting concept known as EMOTIONAL HUNGER. Proven by researches, it brings me to contemplate on the troubled past of Jalaal.Being an emperor at the tender age ,losing his father and above all devoid from the warmth of his mother's bosom ,he had been left in the hands of his GUIDE. A GUIDE - who moulded him , hardened him in the fires of TIME ,BLOOD AND WAR, making him the MAN he is now. When we actually delve into this sordid background when the softness of a velvet pillow was replaced by thorns and WAR ,one can totally understand his failure to relate to any kind of emotions be it love .However at the back of his mind ,buried deep inside subconsciously ,it's his EMOTIONAL HUNGER due to being deprived for years which makes him cynical ,driven by strong desires. People with extreme EMOTIONAL HUNGER are the ones who actually fail to open their heart or understand that they INDEED HAVE A HEART TOO.

I see Jodha and Jalaal as BORN EQUALS more as COUNTERPARTS. It was fun to see their astuteness together. If Jalaal is shrewd enough to understand all the minor details of disguise and plays with his words and smile in his confrontation, similarly we see Jodha who doesn't even think twice before conjuring the bits and her action is swift.

This is what they are EQUALS ,they are COUNTERPARTS. The only DIFFERENCE lies in their PAST . While Jodha has a definitely less tumultuous life ,his has been NOTHING LESS THAN A HURRICANE. Driven by Bairam Khan –a man who infused to cravings and aspirations for POWER in him ,Jalaal stands out as a "JALLAD"

Though the narrative tries to portray them as ANGEL AND DEMON but IMHO they are more like Destructor and HEALER. This symbolism had been there in the Gangaur rituals too , where Gana and Gauri (Shiva and Parvati) unite at the culmination of the festival. Similarly their meeting was supposed to be a hint at their BASIC instincts.

Well I had read another post of yours regarding the RIGID ACTING OF RAJAT.So replying here cumulatively due to the shortage of time. An extremely well-articulated and logical post.

Here I am just adding my two cents.

The term RIGID is a highly SUBJECTIVE term . Like you said perception of rigidness IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. But lets' not forget some points before jumping to conclusions how Akbar should be behaving.

1.The story itself is set in medieval era .

2. He is an emperor and not some love struck teenager ,an emperor had a certain body language given to the kind of respect and lavishness which comes as a privilege with the title .The pride ,pomp and RIGIDNESS comes NATURALLY as a part of his UPBRINGING .

3.It's INEVITABLE –the comparison as People have been fine tuned to a softer and milder version of Akbar in the movie adaptation of their romance. So given to the prejudice ,Rajat may come across far too RIGID .But then again let's not forget his CHARCTER SKETCH is a complete FOIL to what had been portrayed or projected in the movie.

4.His lack of being MOONY EYED also does stems from the kind of era he belonged to. In the 16th century the role of women in the society was mere objects of pleasure or as a source for heirs to the throne, so its almost impossible for an EMPEROR to show such soft emotions RIGHT from the word GO. So his rolling of eyes , cynical smirk and even his RANDOM dream of taking her away on a horse while she is SPOOKED out is in sync with his character. For an emperor in those times CLAIMING the enemies women was a Mark of VICTORY- his very own TRPHY to provide the much needed BOOST for his EGO .

So JUST TO SUM UP…The acting does have scope of IMPROVEMENT because nothing is ABSOLUTE and PERFECTION is always RELATIVE , yet at this moment Rajat is doing complete JUSTICE to his character.

Regards,

Piu

P.S-LOL😆😆😆 I hope you survived this as BREVITY is unknown terrain for me.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Well, my dear Piu, I have not only survived but am luxuriating in your post - such a rarely perceptive, sensitive and articulate analysis of the Jalal-Jodha equation. I was most struck by the parts @blue, and as you see, by the time I finished marking them, your post looked like one of those blue-washed walls in Jaipur!

Really, it is a superb analysis, and I simply loved it. Including the response to my earlier post (which I had then expanded slightly and posted as a stand alone piece). You can obviously look beneath the surface, and what you see and describe makes perfect sense to me.As it should to everyone who reads it.

About the significance of the extreme risks that Jalal runs to save a servitor, you are spot on.

As I wrote above to a young friend, it is not that Jalal has no softness within him at all, that he is, as she put it " A man who till now does not even what it like to have a heart. He does not know how to be compassionate, loving and caring:"

If that was so, he would never have risked this life, and the destruction of all his hopes of victory over Rajasthan, to come right into the heart of the enemy's citadel to rescue a servitor, for he sees Abdul as his friend. Bairam Khan would have let Abdul die under torture. That is the difference that is there already between him and Jalal.

See the kind and understanding way in which Jalal's waves away Zaheer's objections to his leaving the camp. That is not the way most absolute kings would have treated a servitor in such a case, they would have shouted at him or hit him for daring to raise any objections. So the seeds are already there in Jalal, they only need nurturing.

His mother cannot do that as she has lost all her hold over him because, as you have noted, since he feels , and has very likely been told by Mahaam Anga, that her leaving him with a nurse was a total and cynical abandonment of her son to save her own life.So it will have to be someone else, Jodha. But for that to have effect, she will also have to show that she cares for him, and that is not going to be easy.Let us see.

As for Jalal's being very seriously emotionally deprived, I agree 111%, and so I wrote in that recast post:

One of the best scenes so far, as Disha has pointed out elsewhere, which showcases the actor's ability to project a complex, emotionally deprived character, was the one between Jalal and his mother Hamida Banu Begum. The bitterness in Jalal's voice, as he talks of when and how he remembers her, sears the screen.

He badly needs someone who will love him for himself and care for him. It should be a fascinating watch for all of us, as Jalal finds himself, and he and Jodha find each other.

Shyamala
Originally posted by manzilmukul
Shyamala,

An engaging read *CLAPS* *HUGS*⭐️🤗

Somehow the title of your post fits the whole process of Revelation as you called it a double bill. However I would like to say it was more a multi-pronged approach to the revelation of lot of things and aspect in the characters and their mind sets.

The astuteness as you refer to Jalaal is his forte , somehow like his skin woven with him. What is intriguing in this matter is the fact that this revelation adds a complete new dimension to his character. Though he claims to be the one who is emotionally deprived and does not have a heart, but we do see the limits he transcends in his pursuit to save a mere sentinel Abdul. Like Abdul has this mark of belief in his eyes that the emperor would surely come to save him, Jalaal seems to fulfill all the expectations Abdul has from him.

So on a different level altogether,we do see beneath the layers of a hardened soul and claims of brutality of a POWER 'STARVED emperor, there exists a tender soul ,a soul which understands and values emotions like loyalty .So at this point someone needs to PEEL those layers to UNLEASH the HUMAN inside him. Like we see how Jodha's certain words did make him ponder for even a split second.SO THEY KIND OF FIT TOGETHER LIKE THE BROKEN PIECES OF PUZZLE where she would be the ULTIMATE cause for LEAVENING the hard fibers of his heart.

It brings me to a very different yet interesting concept known as EMOTIONAL HUNGER. Proven by researches, it brings me to contemplate on the troubled past of Jalaal.Being an emperor at the tender age ,losing his father and above all devoid from the warmth of his mother's bosom ,he had been left in the hands of his GUIDE. A GUIDE - who moulded him , hardened him in the fires of TIME ,BLOOD AND WAR, making him the MAN he is now. When we actually delve into this sordid background when the softness of a velvet pillow was replaced by thorns and WAR ,one can totally understand his failure to relate to any kind of emotions be it love .However at the back of his mind ,buried deep inside subconsciously ,it's his EMOTIONAL HUNGER due to being deprived for years which makes him cynical ,driven by strong desires. People with extreme EMOTIONAL HUNGER are the ones who actually fail to open their heart or understand that they INDEED HAVE A HEART TOO.

I see Jodha and Jalaal as BORN EQUALS more as COUNTERPARTS. It was fun to see their astuteness together. If Jalaal is shrewd enough to understand all the minor details of disguise and plays with his words and smile in his confrontation, similarly we see Jodha who doesn't even think twice before conjuring the bits and her action is swift.

This is what they are EQUALS ,they are COUNTERPARTS. The only DIFFERENCE lies in their PAST . While Jodha has a definitely less tumultuous life ,his has been NOTHING LESS THAN A HURRICANE. Driven by Bairam Khan 'a man who infused to cravings and aspirations for POWER in him ,Jalaal stands out as a "JALLAD"

Though the narrative tries to portray them as ANGEL AND DEMON but IMHO they are more like Destructor and HEALER. This symbolism had been there in the Gangaur rituals too , where Gana and Gauri (Shiva and Parvati) unite at the culmination of the festival. Similarly their meeting was supposed to be a hint at their BASIC instincts.

Well I had read another post of yours regarding the RIGID ACTING OF RAJAT.So replying here cumulatively due to the shortage of time. An extremely well-articulated and logical post.

Here I am just adding my two cents.

The term RIGID is a highly SUBJECTIVE term . Like you said perception of rigidness IS ACTUALLY DIFFERENT FOR DIFFERENT PEOPLE. But lets' not forget some points before jumping to conclusions how Akbar should be behaving.

1.The story itself is set in medieval era .

2. He is an emperor and not some love struck teenager ,an emperor had a certain body language given to the kind of respect and lavishness which comes as a privilege with the title .The pride ,pomp and RIGIDNESS comes NATURALLY as a part of his UPBRINGING .

3.It's INEVITABLE 'the comparison as People have been fine tuned to a softer and milder version of Akbar in the movie adaptation of their romance. So given to the prejudice ,Rajat may come across far too RIGID .But then again let's not forget his CHARCTER SKETCH is a complete FOIL to what had been portrayed or projected in the movie.

4.His lack of being MOONY EYED also does stems from the kind of era he belonged to. In the 16th century the role of women in the society was mere objects of pleasure or as a source for heirs to the throne, so its almost impossible for an EMPEROR to show such soft emotions RIGHT from the word GO. So his rolling of eyes , cynical smirk and even his RANDOM dream of taking her away on a horse while she is SPOOKED out is in sync with his character. For an emperor in those times CLAIMING the enemies women was a Mark of VICTORY- his very own TRPHY to provide the much needed BOOST for his EGO .

So JUST TO SUM UP'The acting does have scope of IMPROVEMENT because nothing is ABSOLUTE and PERFECTION is always RELATIVE , yet at this moment Rajat is doing complete JUSTICE to his character.

Regards,

Piu

P.S-LOL😆😆😆 I hope you survived this as BREVITY is unknown terrain for me.

Edited by sashashyam - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam


Well, my dear Piu, I have not only survived but am luxuriating in your post - such a rarely perceptive, sensitive and articulate analysis of the Jalal-Jodha equation. I was most struck by the parts @blue, and as you see, by the time I finished marking them, your post looked like one of those blue-washed walls in Jaipur!

Ahh Thank you😆😆😆but my posts normally end up being too long at times😆

Apologies for my late arrival here but I just wanted to have a good amount of time to discuss such DEEP and thoughtful INSIGHTS and the WONDERFUL points you covered.

Really, it is a superb analysis, and I simply loved it. Including the response to my earlier post (which I had then expanded slightly and posted as a stand alone piece). You can obviously look beneath the surface, and what you see and describe makes perfect sense to me.As it should to everyone who reads it.

Thanks😳It was actually your thoughtful post which kind of motivated me to add my two cents.

About the significance of the extreme risks that Jalal runs to save a servitor, you are spot on.

As I wrote above to a young friend, it is not that Jalal has no softness within him at all, that he is, as she put it " A man who till now does not even what it like to have a heart. He does not know how to be compassionate, loving and caring:"

If that was so, he would never have risked this life, and the destruction of all his hopes of victory over Rajasthan, to come right into the heart of the enemy's citadel to rescue a servitor, for he sees Abdul as his friend. Bairam Khan would have let Abdul die under torture. That is the difference that is there already between him and Jalal.

See the kind and understanding way in which Jalal's waves away Zaheer's objections to his leaving the camp. That is not the way most absolute kings would have treated a servitor in such a case, they would have shouted at him or hit him for daring to raise any objections. So the seeds are already there in Jalal, they only need nurturing.

His mother cannot do that as she has lost all her hold over him because, as you have noted, since he feels , and has very likely been told by Mahaam Anga, that her leaving him with a nurse was a total and cynical abandonment of her son to save her own life.So it will have to be someone else, Jodha. But for that to have effect, she will also have to show that she cares for him, and that is not going to be easy.Let us see.

As for Jalal's being very seriously emotionally deprived, I agree 111%, and so I wrote in that recast post:

One of the best scenes so far, as Disha has pointed out elsewhere, which showcases the actor's ability to project a complex, emotionally deprived character, was the one between Jalal and his mother Hamida Banu Begum. The bitterness in Jalal's voice, as he talks of when and how he remembers her, sears the screen.

He badly needs someone who will love him for himself and care for him. It should be a fascinating watch for all of us, as Jalal finds himself, and he and Jodha find each other.

Shyamala


Wow Beautifully Summarised!! The interactions though for only a few moments with his Mother Hamida Banu Begum gave us such open ended QUESTIONS and also solved lot of issues ANSWERING lot many layers in his character.This I will call again "A DOUBLE BILL " as you say it.
It RAISES QUESTIONS and gives ANSWERS at the same time.
What appears as a BRUTALITY of A CYNICAL EMPEROR has actually a FOUNDATION that runs much DEEPER that what APPEARS on the SURFACE. A SULKING HANKERING CHILD is HIDDEN inside him-The one who CRAVES for LOVE and NOT FEAR.Though his mentor taught him to RULE by the SWORD and FEAR ; it is clearly EVIDENT from this particular INTERACTION that how DEPRIVED he is ?He even actually HOLDS GRUDGES against how LOVE and LIFE has treated him.
Now coming to the point of what really ATTRACTS Jalaal towards Jodha...Is it BEAUTY ?Is it her FEARLESSNESS ?IS IT INTENSE URGE TO SEEK REVENGE?
While the answer to all this would be a big yes cumulatively. BUT EVENTUALLY A PERSON IS ALWAYS ATTRACTED TO SOMEONE IN WHOM HE SEES HIS REFLECTION. Opposites ATTRACT is a SIMPLER concept which certainly applies to their PUSH AND PULL .IN THE LONGER RUN..their equation is more like that of a MIRROR to him.Jodha being his own reflection in terms of FEARLESSNESS,PASSION DRIVEN AND AN EPITOME OF STRENGTH .Not only this She is like the MIRROR who shows him his UGLY EXTERIOR too.
Noteworthy is a scene from last NIGHT'S EPISODE where Jalaal fights the Rajput Sainiks and simultaneously remembers Jodha's HARSH WORDS.
He even exclaims remembering how she called him Jallad - "Jallad ki Surat hi dekhi hai...Ab sirat bhi dekh lo..."
See this was what I was talking about .She was the MIRROR who made him rubaru with his UGLY Jallad Avatar...Hence his RETALIATION in the form of ANXIETY ,ANGST AND ANGER.
Its more like RECOGNIZING what a MONSTER he was but still trying to DENY and TRYING TO RE-ENFORCE HIS BELIEF of WINNING BY THE EDGE OF THE SWORD...To reaffirm his Belief of the STICK approach rather than the CARROT one...
At this point of time its more of HIS BRUISED EGO which Talks but DEEP INSIDE I guess something has SHATTERED which comes out as his STRONG DESIRE to POSSESS her to PROVE his point and live upto the TAG of Jallad.

Hope it makes some sense😆😆😆
P.S-Deviating a lot from topic but It comes as a part of a general discussion regarding the characters and how I see them😳

Edited by manzilmukul - 12 years ago
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It's so nice to have someone more experienced and wise than all of us in the forum to do a analysis of the show that is so full of wisdom that it answers all the unanswered questions and reflects all our thoughts and queries in it.. Your analysis is a complete package ma'am.. 👏
It's like all our thoughts and confusions are combined in one single post.. Your posts are always like a eyeopener for me.. I'll be looking forward to read your analysis after each episode 😊

Your first question, I was also shocked to see those writings, meaning either it was a huge blooper showing Akbar was literate or it was written by Abdul.. Then in the next epi the confusion was cleared.. But it is still unbelievable how the half conscious abdul had managed to write it in both hindi and urdu within such a short period!!!!! 😲 😆

As for second and third questions, only God and Ekta Maata knows!!! 🤣
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Shyamala Aunty, just loved your post!!!
All those questions came to my mind too. You put them in an incredible way.
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Your posts are so nice. Really worth waiting for. Sorry Ma'am, I will try clinging on to this term only. My father is a retired IAS officer, but I was always in awe of IFS. so guess, it ll take me some time before I call you Aunty!

Please keep making more posts. Really impartial and unbiased analysis which they are; and a delight tor ead. :-)
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Wow!!great post, or i must say great thread..a very good analysis👍🏼

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