isnt sushant a dancer - Page 2

Ahh so before Mods close this topic, my thoughts:

Well, I feel Sushant being a trained dancer is seriously unfair to the other contestants. This is not to say that this is HIS fault, or that his brilliant performances deserve lesser merit on that account. No. But then it's like, every team has just one trained dancer, and Sushant's team has two! Isn't that somehow advantageous to them? Plus the fact that he has been a part of Shiamak Dawar's dance troupe....doesn't that give him an extra edge over the others? The producers should have considered these details before roping in Sushant as a contestant. Abhi everyone knows that Sushant is going to win. Competition should be between equals, not professionals and amateurs.

P.S: No offense at all to Sushant fans, even I find him amazing. And that's the whole point. He's much too amazing for the other contestants!

P.P.S: If there are other trained dancers here, then THEY have an unfair advantage too. And if this has happened in the previous seasons, then THAT was unfair too.

Originally posted by: nikitagmc

@Yarav: But Daya has atleast performed on stage na, in that jodi awards thing? Akhil ne to camera hi nahi face kiya. 😆 He is the qualified 'non dancer' person who has faced the camera for first time, so guys vote for Akhil!!! 😆

look friend, Daya performed on stage in Jodi award but it was held when he was already a Jhalak contestant..The time he agreed to do Jhalak, that time he didn't perform on stage right? so how can you say that only non dancer is Akhil?

There will definitely be difference between a trained one and a non trained one.. how many time try to justify that sushant is eligible to participate here.. everybody knows that any competition becomes unfair if the level of the contestants is not same...

It is also unfair to bring those people who have participated before in any dance competition.. or who are professional dancers(whether have trained or not), people like Hemant Kumar , Kishore Kumar were not trained at the beginning of their career.. but if there any such singing competiton happened in the past.. and they came there claiming that they didn't have training.. so didn't be it unfair to other contestants? ..

Sushant definitely a very good dancer, he has the capability to win a genuine dance show consists of genuine dancers.. so why he has to come here to prove his capability?

In that case only daya and akhil are eligible nobody else

@EatPrayLove:

Sushant isn't as trained as you think he is. He trained for some time ONLY IN JAZZ and then Shiamak advised him to go try his hand in acting cos he had lovely expressions.👍🏼

Now this training, at many points, is NOT an advantage. During ZNKD, the boys team had done a group act of 'staccato' dancing- they had dressed up as zombies and were dancing like them. At that time, Vaibhavi Merchant picked out on Sushant and said that he hadn't got the dance right like the others- the Jazz style had unconsciously come into his movements- everyone else in the team (including untrained dancers and a little child) had done better than him- the raw feel of the movements was correct.

If you've been reading around this forum, you must have read how Sushant supporters were expressing their fears that he wouldn't do very well this week in street dancing-- reason? His movements are of the 'flowy' and 'flowery' kind- not the type for something like 'Locking and Popping'. We had written in a number of threads that he would have to 'unlearn' the jazz if he had to do LnP, otherwise he would get a similar comment once again. Its a good thing however that he did well, maybe he really worked hard on his style.

So you see, its not always an advantage to be trained. Other than that- the judges always scrutinize the trained ones MORE. Sushant got 20 for his first dance which was said to be GOOD. Ragini, Daya and others got 22/23 when their acts were NOT APPRECIATED. You see the difference in the level of scoring???

Eventually the judges method of individual analysis makes a difference. Maybe yes, somewhere the advantage of being trained/danced before creeps in- they have more control over their postures and their body- and it would be perfect if the channel gets dancers of an equal level to take part. BUT THAT IS PRACTICALLY IMPOSSIBLE- REASON??? The channel DOES NOT know the complete dance background of every person. Sometimes people do not 'train professionally' in a dance form but learn it outside- in their community, at school etc. The Rajasthani folk that Ankita did--- she had done a dance similar to it in SCHOOL as a child and hence she could do it- if you have seen the rehearsal video- it was she who was guiding her choreographer about getting the steps right. Sushant could do the sword fighting thing cos he has learnt martial arts and his choreo cleverly used it in the dance by taking an appropriate theme. Mahi Vij said that she doesn't know how to dance, but knows bhangra (maybe cos of her background). Daya too said on the JDJ site that he dances in parties with his friends. Akhil maybe knowing bhangra too, for all we know.

Now how will the channel go into such depths to find out exactly how much past dancing experience a person has, and then decide whether he/she should be a candidate on this show???

We do not live in an idealistic world na! Every system has its flaws/limitations. Nothing is perfect. The contestants have accepted this selection system as such. They took part in this competition knowing well that there might be dancers better than them. The judges accepted it and said initially itself that they would judge on an individual basis.

@suchi-dev2006:

I've said it once, I'll say it again- that post was not written with an intent to classify who's a dancer and who's a non-dancer. Regarding the rest of your grievances, I have already addressed them in my post above. Think about it if you want to, I have put up my reasoning with JUSTIFICATIONS. If you do want to accept even then, then we will have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by: suchi_dev2006

Sushant definitely a very good dancer, he has the capability to win a genuine dance show consists of genuine dancers.. so why he has to come here to prove his capability?

Well, he hasn't 'come here'.

He was invited by the Sony and JDJ people to take part. It was within their format- they weren't going against their format.

And which genuine dance shows are you talking about? DID? DPL? He's a popular celebrity yaar- now he cannot take part in shows like DID... else the audience will start voting for him like crazy, it wouldn't be fair to other contestants on the show then who are commoners and don't have a fan base.

The only celebrity dancing shows are: Nach Baliye and JDJ. But here too, if people keep bringing the 'he's trained' issue, then where is he supposed to show his talent?

@suchi-dev2006: Dear, please go and read my whole reply to EatPrayLove

You will yourself understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE for the organisers to know the past dance experience of every contestant. Many people dance at informal events, in their community (bhangra, garba etc) , at school and learn from it. Some people use it in their dances when the time comes, some do not.

Mahi said she knows bhangra (so her choreo made her do a bit of bhangra in her first dance. very clever)

Ankita is untrained too. She did a Rajasthani dance IN SCHOOL. She used it in her dance. Mission accomplished.

Krushna is good in govinda style dancing- he used it in his first performance- it was a hit. Mission accomplished again.

Sushant has learnt some martial arts- his choreo used it during mrityunjay. Mission accomplished yet again.

All these three examples above, so not come in criteria of training. It is upto the choreos to use up the hidden talent in their participants. Sushant is good with expressions and his choreo is using it. Similarily others should use the strong point of their contestants.

In the last season, till the end, Sonia, Baichung's choreo maintained that he was not good dancer but had an agile and athletic body. She made use of this aspect in their dances and they did well.

Similarily Vrushali can use it too with Daya. The fall in the bhangra, the carrying in Tango, all were perfect. She can make use of his strength in a good manner. 'Mr. himalaya' has a rough appeal which is his X-factor and she should try to use it in her dances- I liked his first performance more than I liked Sushant's.

Cribbing about who is trained and who is not is not going to get anyone anywhere. Eventually the choreo needs to make best use of what he/she has in her hands.

^^^ adding to the post above .. ragini has trained in bollywood style for one year ... Neerav hasn't tapped on to her full potential yet (except maybe in folk round)... here neerav has come up short ..
yana is probably more trained than ragini and sushant put together..

I agree to Suchi's comments. Daya Sir has never danced before. Facing camera doesn't qualify him to be a better dancer. Being absolutely no dancer and carrying that physique, he is doing marvellous. Kudos my hero !!! 😛 😛 😛