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1 thing no bashing.[Bashing will lead to reporting, and reporting will lead to ultimately getting banned. This forum is filled with people whose warning meter is quite high.
I am so ashamed of myself for making this topic , as repeated topics are lame and totally unnecessary but it seems like because of the really faithful (who have been called blind) fans the normal KSG fans who think he doesn't deserve the title is not being heard.On the other hand because Karan is being mocked and bashed so much the valid points why he doesn't deserve it not getting across.
[/QOUTE]yes. in the face of a number of umm..lets say, emotional fans of respective contetstants, the voice of sanity does get lost somewhere.
Voting is awesome. You get to vote whoever you want, no one is stopping youbut I honestly think it is wrong when you vote someone who is not quite worthy. I always saw it as a moral responbility. I clearly remember getting in a long verbal discussion over Parul in some another forum because she is my favorite actress, but when she came to Jhalak I supported someone else. Do I still love her? or do I love her any less? NO!
Maybe I am just one of those people who really believe in doing right things, and this bothers me. I love Karan. Towards the beginning even when he gave a thanda performance I supported him. And I still do. I always hope he does better and gives us something that is worth a 30. But sadly he hasn't. It is finals now. Serious business. No longer he will get better, or he has it in him. It is how much he has provided us with.
i dont agree to ur statement "he doesnt have it in him". remeber his first performance..the stiffness, the only attitude ,no dance? and then remember the second? the improvement the guy showed in just a week, is something nobody else in the show has.in just a week, he transformed from a non dance, to a perfect score dancer(it did deserve a 30, period).however, what followed up is a different story.but even there, what ive noticed all these weeks aslo throws some light. u say u like karan,so u might've followed all his performances.can u name 1 dance, where they got a low score and the judges turned to karan and said, u didnt dance well? its always been the choreography.all the fault, always has been with the choreography.he can dance, as per the admission of the judges themselves..
Why should Karan get the JDJ 3 title?
From Shradha to Nicole they keep saying how hard he has worked. Even his fans. Is that any reason to win? I mean if he didn't work hard it would make difference, make him a bad contestant. But the fact that he works hard is nothing. NOTHING. Baichung has worked hard, I think he has worked the hardest. Gauhar has gone through a lot for this competition. HK has taken many risks and rocked it, Shilpa has also taken many different risks, Monica has worked hard and dealt with emotional things, Ram had to take injections, painkillers to stay through this.
I am not saying Karan hasn't worked hard. He really has and I love the guy for it. He has gone through a lot of physical pain, even though he is quite built it's not in a nice healthy functional way I guess. He has hard time picking up Nicole.
I know many has mentioned that Shradha and Nicole are beggng for votes, and I can't find a more polite way to say this.::: YES THEY ARE
Their is a HUGE difference between earnng and begging. Baichung came shocked the judges and the audinces he earned his votes. Gauhar might've cried but she still earned her title as a dancer to watch out for she has also earned her votes. Hard Kaur has mesmerized and left us speechless she has also earned her votes. Parul has done things no one ever though she could do, and she did them well she has also earned her votes. If this was a popularity show then ok we could do that. But sadly it is a DANCE SHOW with Popular people. No matter how hard you try to twist it, it is still a dance show.
idiffer in a few points here. barring hard kaur and baichung, i dont accept the point for anybody else.. gauhar, may have given good performance, but never a great one.never a 30. she was a good dancer since day 1, she still is.i see 0 improvement in her. parul too, though she has given amazing performances, has also been highly inconsistent. and if u count the circus round results, the week she was eliminated, she was the lowest average scorer, 1 mark below karan. so going by that principle, she has had ups and downs too, and she has in my opinion been at the receiving end of some unfair judgements too.
After getting a score like 18 when you ask for double votes what does it sound like? with all honesty that is called begging, not earning. Earning is when you ask for what is rightfully yours.
i was always proud of Shilpa, even when her chances were slim she said vote for us if you think we deserved it.
i would prefer to call it honest. every contestant there, if they get a low score, wants to still get votes. u think shilpa actually means it when she says, dont vote if u dont like? na, she knows that for her, votes come strictly based on performances, so when she makes a comment like this, a few people might appreciate the "honesty", and vote. its money, a big amount, its hard work..EVERYBODY wants to win, however it maybe.and if somebody is honest enough to admit it, we shouldnt hold it against them.
Do the judges have a right to be mad? YES
if you are a teacher in a class and the best student in the class was cut out because his seat had to be saved for the worst student would you not be pissed off?? Some people are saying if they wanted HK so much they should;ve taken GK out. Yeah why not? A teacher would take out another good student from the class to give space to the bad one.
neither the judges, nor the participants were unaware of the format. they all knew what participating in a celebrity dance show means. if u care so much about ur judgement, sign a show where only the judges marks counts. u want the money which a reality show offers, yet u dont want to face the negatives which come with it? u asked for it, deal with it.[
Nicole as a choreographer
This one is funny. I can live with karan winning JDJ dancer title. No one really cares if he dances or not. But I can not in my right mind believe there is a chance Nicole might win this title? Nicole??
Javed=== AMAZING!!! TALENTED!! Choreographs brilliant pieces<>Deepak == creative, does something different, amazing, has turned Parul into a gem
Savio== CREATIVE, comes up with brilliant performances, awesome
Sonia== has made a non dancer like Baichung shine like a diamond, hides all his flaws, does soemthing different everytime
[And then there is Nicole. Question beside the cube dance has she choreographed anything in the show yet that could compete with the choreographers mentioned above. I don't think so. She is talented, she is good. But she is not nearly as good as the others. They are amazing. The comparison is like between someone with a PHD and a high schooler.
this i completely agree with.. very well put. in this entire episode, the only glaring fact is, nicole has been a huge disappointment.. i sometimes feel, she put everything she had and knew into the second performance.since then we see her repating steps, coming up with thanda concepts..u name it. whether this is because that's all she knows or she takes it too lightly, i cant comment. but the show is about the stars.. how far is it right to say a star does no deserve to win, strictly based on his choreographer?I totally agree nicole is not meant to be the winning choreographer..far from it.. but the criticism and insult karan gets, strictly because of his choreographer's fault, is something i really dont like
On the issue of popularity
Mona was popular she won, Prachi was popular she won. no one denies you need popularity. But were they this bad compared to others? Did they give out a performance of 18 marks when his competitor get a 29?? like wow the difference is by 10 marks!! not one or two. Even if it's by 3-4 it's considered big.
Vote whoever you like, it's your money.Just be honest. It hurts rational people to see " KARAN DESERVES TO WIN" I am a fan, but even I can't sit through such things. I thought the fanclubs were here for a reason. The forum is a public place, you can't make a topic for the faithfuls, and not expect criticism.
Last but not least I found this amusing!! Very amusing
Saroj Khan, Juhi Chawla and Vaibhabi are amazing at their work of field. They only got that recongnition because they have mastered in that field. I find it funny that members on this forum bash such respective people, but they frown when they see others bash their favorite.
[So far I have found the judges confusing at the beginning , but never biased. They are awesome.
i've said this before.. these 3, are great legends, but that does not make them good judges. like for eg, a person who is a ph.d, may not be a good teacher.he may know it all in his field, but when it comes to teaching his student, he may not be good at putting it across.i find the same fault in these 3.they let their emotions color their decision, they have differnent judging standards, they are, as u said inconsistent. i wouldnt want to call them partial or biased, but i have not agreed with the judgement on many occassions, i nthe case of many of the contestants
PS. sorry, my bad..ive done something wrong in the post, and im not upto correcting it. hope u can make out ur points from my reply..ive separated the 2.[
I am so ashamed of myself for making this topic , as repeated topics are lame and totally unnecessary but it seems like because of the really faithful (who have been called blind) fans the normal KSG fans who think he doesn't deserve the title is not being heard.On the other hand because Karan is being mocked and bashed so much the valid points why he doesn't deserve it not getting across.
[/QOUTE]yes. in the face of a number of umm..lets say, emotional fans of respective contetstants, the voice of sanity does get lost somewhere.
Voting is awesome. You get to vote whoever you want, no one is stopping youbut I honestly think it is wrong when you vote someone who is not quite worthy. I always saw it as a moral responbility. I clearly remember getting in a long verbal discussion over Parul in some another forum because she is my favorite actress, but when she came to Jhalak I supported someone else. Do I still love her? or do I love her any less? NO!
Maybe I am just one of those people who really believe in doing right things, and this bothers me. I love Karan. Towards the beginning even when he gave a thanda performance I supported him. And I still do. I always hope he does better and gives us something that is worth a 30. But sadly he hasn't. It is finals now. Serious business. No longer he will get better, or he has it in him. It is how much he has provided us with.
i dont agree to ur statement "he doesnt have it in him". remeber his first performance..the stiffness, the only attitude ,no dance? and then remember the second? the improvement the guy showed in just a week, is something nobody else in the show has.in just a week, he transformed from a non dance, to a perfect score dancer(it did deserve a 30, period).however, what followed up is a different story.but even there, what ive noticed all these weeks aslo throws some light. u say u like karan,so u might've followed all his performances.can u name 1 dance, where they got a low score and the judges turned to karan and said, u didnt dance well? its always been the choreography.all the fault, always has been with the choreography.he can dance, as per the admission of the judges themselves..
Why should Karan get the JDJ 3 title?
From Shradha to Nicole they keep saying how hard he has worked. Even his fans. Is that any reason to win? I mean if he didn't work hard it would make difference, make him a bad contestant. But the fact that he works hard is nothing. NOTHING. Baichung has worked hard, I think he has worked the hardest. Gauhar has gone through a lot for this competition. HK has taken many risks and rocked it, Shilpa has also taken many different risks, Monica has worked hard and dealt with emotional things, Ram had to take injections, painkillers to stay through this.
I am not saying Karan hasn't worked hard. He really has and I love the guy for it. He has gone through a lot of physical pain, even though he is quite built it's not in a nice healthy functional way I guess. He has hard time picking up Nicole.
I know many has mentioned that Shradha and Nicole are beggng for votes, and I can't find a more polite way to say this.::: YES THEY ARE
Their is a HUGE difference between earnng and begging. Baichung came shocked the judges and the audinces he earned his votes. Gauhar might've cried but she still earned her title as a dancer to watch out for she has also earned her votes. Hard Kaur has mesmerized and left us speechless she has also earned her votes. Parul has done things no one ever though she could do, and she did them well she has also earned her votes. If this was a popularity show then ok we could do that. But sadly it is a DANCE SHOW with Popular people. No matter how hard you try to twist it, it is still a dance show.
idiffer in a few points here. barring hard kaur and baichung, i dont accept the point for anybody else.. gauhar, may have given good performance, but never a great one.never a 30. she was a good dancer since day 1, she still is.i see 0 improvement in her. parul too, though she has given amazing performances, has also been highly inconsistent. and if u count the circus round results, the week she was eliminated, she was the lowest average scorer, 1 mark below karan. so going by that principle, she has had ups and downs too, and she has in my opinion been at the receiving end of some unfair judgements too.
After getting a score like 18 when you ask for double votes what does it sound like? with all honesty that is called begging, not earning. Earning is when you ask for what is rightfully yours.
i was always proud of Shilpa, even when her chances were slim she said vote for us if you think we deserved it.
i would prefer to call it honest. every contestant there, if they get a low score, wants to still get votes. u think shilpa actually means it when she says, dont vote if u dont like? na, she knows that for her, votes come strictly based on performances, so when she makes a comment like this, a few people might appreciate the "honesty", and vote. its money, a big amount, its hard work..EVERYBODY wants to win, however it maybe.and if somebody is honest enough to admit it, we shouldnt hold it against them.
Do the judges have a right to be mad? YES
if you are a teacher in a class and the best student in the class was cut out because his seat had to be saved for the worst student would you not be pissed off?? Some people are saying if they wanted HK so much they should;ve taken GK out. Yeah why not? A teacher would take out another good student from the class to give space to the bad one.
neither the judges, nor the participants were unaware of the format. they all knew what participating in a celebrity dance show means. if u care so much about ur judgement, sign a show where only the judges marks counts. u want the money which a reality show offers, yet u dont want to face the negatives which come with it? u asked for it, deal with it.[
Nicole as a choreographer
This one is funny. I can live with karan winning JDJ dancer title. No one really cares if he dances or not. But I can not in my right mind believe there is a chance Nicole might win this title? Nicole??
Javed=== AMAZING!!! TALENTED!! Choreographs brilliant pieces<>Deepak == creative, does something different, amazing, has turned Parul into a gem
Savio== CREATIVE, comes up with brilliant performances, awesome
Sonia== has made a non dancer like Baichung shine like a diamond, hides all his flaws, does soemthing different everytime
[And then there is Nicole. Question beside the cube dance has she choreographed anything in the show yet that could compete with the choreographers mentioned above. I don't think so. She is talented, she is good. But she is not nearly as good as the others. They are amazing. The comparison is like between someone with a PHD and a high schooler.
this i completely agree with.. very well put. in this entire episode, the only glaring fact is, nicole has been a huge disappointment.. i sometimes feel, she put everything she had and knew into the second performance.since then we see her repating steps, coming up with thanda concepts..u name it. whether this is because that's all she knows or she takes it too lightly, i cant comment. but the show is about the stars.. how far is it right to say a star does no deserve to win, strictly based on his choreographer?I totally agree nicole is not meant to be the winning choreographer..far from it.. but the criticism and insult karan gets, strictly because of his choreographer's fault, is something i really dont like
On the issue of popularity
Mona was popular she won, Prachi was popular she won. no one denies you need popularity. But were they this bad compared to others? Did they give out a performance of 18 marks when his competitor get a 29?? like wow the difference is by 10 marks!! not one or two. Even if it's by 3-4 it's considered big.
Vote whoever you like, it's your money.Just be honest. It hurts rational people to see " KARAN DESERVES TO WIN" I am a fan, but even I can't sit through such things. I thought the fanclubs were here for a reason. The forum is a public place, you can't make a topic for the faithfuls, and not expect criticism.
Last but not least I found this amusing!! Very amusing
Saroj Khan, Juhi Chawla and Vaibhabi are amazing at their work of field. They only got that recongnition because they have mastered in that field. I find it funny that members on this forum bash such respective people, but they frown when they see others bash their favorite.
[So far I have found the judges confusing at the beginning , but never biased. They are awesome.
i've said this before.. these 3, are great legends, but that does not make them good judges. like for eg, a person who is a ph.d, may not be a good teacher.he may know it all in his field, but when it comes to teaching his student, he may not be good at putting it across.i find the same fault in these 3.they let their emotions color their decision, they have differnent judging standards, they are, as u said inconsistent. i wouldnt want to call them partial or biased, but i have not agreed with the judgement on many occassions, i nthe case of many of the contestants
PS. sorry, my bad..ive done something wrong in the post, and im not upto correcting it. hope u can make out ur points from my reply..ive separated the 2.[
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