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Posted: 13 years ago
^^^ Aji, You did research and came empty handed 😲

Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallakhamb

And the rest repeated from the other post of mine

"I agree Rope mallakhamb isn't a dance form. But it has been also been used in DID for the performance, as per wikipedia . And as far as the definition of dance is concerned, I believe it is very subjective from person to person. So from what I have seen on JDJ, judges do not mind contestants to try and expand the definition of dance. As Isha had mentioned once, dance is an expression and it could be expressed in any means. And thus she is trying to introduce her talent in the form of dance on such stage. Whether she will be successful or not, we'll find out on the weekend.

I also agree with your last paragraph. I think many on this forum wanted to see an episode dedicated to different Indian dance forms. But too bad, judges didn't think of it. Even the contestants who tried some Indian dance forms, they simply brushed on it. I haven't been happy with any Indian dance forms which has been performed on this stage including the Bollywood."
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Posted: 13 years ago
as "Me anonymous" said...i dont know y judges is not pointing it...

last year in roadies they had a task in this pole aerobics...they clearly mentioned its not pole dance its pole excercise...mallakhamb is the indian version of pole excercise/aerobics...

and rope mallakhamb ...i dont know i think it got entered in the contemeperory style of dancing may be...u call contemperory style and add all the gimmicks then it will be contemperory dance...:)

and as chandramukhi said...abt isha's version were dance is expressed in various ways...

so gymanstics, yoga,karate comedy etc etc..everything can be expressed thru dance...
but then where is the real dance...why dance cant be expressed thru dance itself...


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: music_masti

as "Me anonymous" said...i dont know y judges is not pointing it...

last year in roadies they had a task in this pole aerobics...they clearly mentioned its not pole dance its pole excercise...mallakhamb is the indian version of pole excercise/aerobics...

and rope mallakhamb ...i dont know i think it got entered in the contemeperory style of dancing may be...u call contemperory style and add all the gimmicks then it will be contemperory dance...:)

and as chandramukhi said...abt isha's version were dance is expressed in various ways...

so gymanstics, yoga,karate comedy etc etc..everything can be expressed thru dance...
but then where is the real dance...why dance cant be expressed thru dance itself...





@ I am glad to see you include Karate and comedy in your list 😆 From what I have seen on JDJ, it has become more of gimmicks or the special effect along with the emphasis on make up and costumes. I think that is what JDJ is looking for especially for the audiences who are looking for those Wow moments than the technicality of any dance forms per se. For example, Rashmi's five puppet act which we will see on Sunday, I think that's a wow factor, as per dance, we can only comment after the act and the same with Isha's rope malamalkhamb. So as for your question, I think you are looking at the wrong platform for technical dances. DID is a much better platform that is more or less based on dance and only dance and they cater to those audiences who want to learn more of different dance forms. I don't think JDJ can be be compared to that of DID level. This is what I have learned and seen on JDJ.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

^^^ Aji, You did research and came empty handed 😲

Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mallakhamb

And the rest repeated from the other post of mine

"I agree Rope mallakhamb isn't a dance form. But it has been also been used in DID for the performance, as per wikipedia . And as far as the definition of dance is concerned, I believe it is very subjective from person to person. So from what I have seen on JDJ, judges do not mind contestants to try and expand the definition of dance. As Isha had mentioned once, dance is an expression and it could be expressed in any means. And thus she is trying to introduce her talent in the form of dance on such stage. Whether she will be successful or not, we'll find out on the weekend.

I also agree with your last paragraph. I think many on this forum wanted to see an episode dedicated to different Indian dance forms. But too bad, judges didn't think of it. Even the contestants who tried some dance form, they simply brushed on it. I haven't been happy with any Indian dance form which has been performed on this stage including the Bollywood."



Yes, I did come up empty handed (guess I was in the selective reading zone😛😉). May be I need to brush up my research skills. I always take wikipedia info with caution. Never rely on it too much (the lecturers and professors go mad when someone does😆). Anyone can edit it. Even I have edited the JDJ5 wikipedia page (and have removed some pretty hilarious biased-bashing sentences/lines/paragraphs too😆. Recalling some of them still makes me 🤣)

You are right it's very subjective and I in fact liked the fact that Isha pointed out after her Solstrom act that Solstrom is not a dance form but that she wants people to recognise it as such. I still don't see most of it as dance - some bits, yes, I could feel the rythm but the rest, not so much.

But, performing it on dance competitions like DID and JDJ does not necessarily make it a dance form, does it? The Judges should point it out in their comments that it's not yet recognised as a dance form. To the audience watching it on TV and those who aren't aware of it will never know. They'll keep thinking that it is a dance form (people like me😳).

See, I was sort of okay with the Rope Mallakhamb (dance or sport) in Isha's first act as less than 20 seconds of her act was done on the rope and more than 90% on the floor with sort of Bollywood dance but had a Contemporary feel to it (do I see Contemporary everywhere now?)

I didn't enjoy RD's Aerial Silk act either and neither did I enjoy Gia's Aerial Freestyle act. Perhaps my judgement about Aerial acts is being clouded by my not liking Aerial acts as much. That's also one of the reasons I refrain from posting on things which I know I have a bias against (in some way).

They should have had an Indian dance forms episode like they had that Dance Attack episode. Most of them were Ballroom dances with only 2 being Indian dance forms - Lavani and Tandav. I enjoyed that episode. Got to see some real dancing back then. I hope the production team does that now but it's too late in the competition to really explore it.


How come I missed your post (the quoted one)😕? May be my resolution of not coming and posting on JDJ5 forum as much is working👏. Hopefully very time soon, I'll stop posting altogether (InshAllah). Btw, it's really late - I shall PM you when I wake up (it's 6:30 am here😳).

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-



@ I am glad to see you include Karate and comedy in your list 😆 From what I have seen on JDJ, it has become more of gimmicks or the special effect along with the emphasis on make up and costumes. I think that is what JDJ is looking for especially for the audiences who are looking for those Wow moments than the technicality of any dance forms per se. For example, Rashmi's five puppet act which we will see on Sunday, I think that's a wow factor, as per dance, we can only comment after the act and the same with Isha's rope malamalkhamb. So as for your question, I think you are looking at the wrong platform for technical dances. DID is a much better platform that is more or less based on dance and only dance and they cater to those audiences who want to learn more of different dance forms. I don't think JDJ can be be compared to that of DID level. This is what I have learned and seen on JDJ.



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yeah...i agreee...DID is the place where pure dance is happening...JDJ is full of gimmicks aand makeups and dramas...but the judges has to make clarification...bcose 50% weightage is for audience vote...

as they point out mistakes in some dance forms and comedies...they have to point out these things tooo...that's what i wanted to say...

or otherwise people who doesnt know dance will think...whatever judges said is right...its the channel and judges responsibility to make aware...

but channel and judges are more keen on trps and votes so gimmicks and drama is getting more noticed...

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Posted: 13 years ago
GURMEET classical dance on roop tera mastana was awesome!! Jayatiji Tandav was brilliant..they r the only ones u tried their hand at pure classical!!
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Posted: 13 years ago
and one morething...isha is excellent in rope dancing...

if she's injured or not...she can do rope dancing without using her two hands tooo...or blind folded...she was doing only this for the last decade...

its like federer can win a match with front hand shots only...or goran ivansecic wins the match with aces only...or sachin scoring a 100...


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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Me_Anonymous



Yes, I did come up empty handed (guess I was in the selective reading zone😛😉). May be I need to brush up my research skills. I always take wikipedia info with caution. Never rely on it too much (the lecturers and professors go mad when someone does😆). Anyone can edit it. Even I have edited the JDJ5 wikipedia page (and have removed some pretty hilarious biased-bashing sentences/lines/paragraphs too😆. Recalling some of them still makes me 🤣) Yeh don't remind me of professors and their obsession with not using Wikipedia. But I love Wikipedia, it's my everything in day to day studying 😛

You are right it's very subjective and I in fact liked the fact that Isha pointed out after her Solstrom act that Solstrom is not a dance form but that she wants people to recognise it as such. I still don't see most of it as dance - some bits, yes, I could feel the rythm but the rest, not so much. Solstrom, yes very little of dance, and I think it was more of postures and rhythm. So for that dance, I am sorta in the middle. For me, I like when dancers experiment and expand that definition of dance. Even I think dance should be what you feel from within when you hear a piece of music. So judges liked it while others didn't, so to each his own.

But, performing it on dance competitions like DID and JDJ does not necessarily make it a dance form, does it? The Judges should point it out in their comments that it's not yet recognised as a dance form. To the audience watching it on TV and those who aren't aware of it will never know. They'll keep thinking that it is a dance form (people like me😳). I had mentioned this in the past, I wish Remo could take out 2 mins before each act and mention briefly what is the basic necessity of the dance form being performed. This way audience will be looped in with the performance and they can judge for themselves.

See, I was sort of okay with the Rope Mallakhamb (dance or sport) in Isha's first act as less than 20 seconds of her act was done on the rope and more than 90% on the floor with sort of Bollywood dance but had a Contemporary feel to it (do I see Contemporary everywhere now?) I saw the promo for her Sunday performance, I think she is doing some parts on the rope and some on the floor. Let's see how it works out.

I didn't enjoy RD's Aerial Silk act either and neither did I enjoy Gia's Aerial Freestyle act. Perhaps my judgement about Aerial acts is being clouded by my not liking Aerial acts as much. That's also one of the reasons I refrain from posting on things which I know I have a bias against (in some way). I love aerial acts, they make the stage look so magical. So I'll take an aerial any day.

They should have had an Indian dance forms episode like they had that Dance Attack episode. Most of them were Ballroom dances with only 2 being Indian dance forms - Lavani and Tandav. I enjoyed that episode. Got to see some real dancing back then. I hope the production team does that now but it's too late in the competition to really explore it. I feel the same that it is too late for such theme.


How come I missed your post (the quoted one)😕? I had written that in the other thread. May be my resolution of not coming and posting on JDJ5 forum as much is working👏. Hopefully very time soon, I'll stop posting altogether (InshAllah). Btw, it's really late - I shall PM you when I wake up (it's 6:30 am here😳).
Okies and damn, didn't know you are a night owl as me 😛

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: music_masti

and rope mallakhamb ...i dont know i think it got entered in the contemeperory style of dancing may be...u call contemperory style and add all the gimmicks then it will be contemperory dance...:)

so gymanstics, yoga,karate comedy etc etc..everything can be expressed thru dance...
but then where is the real dance...why dance cant be expressed thru dance itself...



[quote=-Chandramukhi-]From what I have seen on JDJ, it has become more of gimmicks or the special effect along with the emphasis on make up and costumes. I think that is what JDJ is looking for especially for the audiences who are looking for those Wow moments than the technicality of any dance forms per se[/quote]

all these and many other things can be expressed through dance. I have seen it and I LOVED it too. So You Think You Can Dance shows PURE DANCING where they also have these concepts but the story is told through their body language, their expressions, the steps that make up the choreography so it is possible but as you rightly said Channel is more keen on the 'gimmicks' than dancing. I am not saying they should be excellent but at least try to do ONLY dance. Perhaps the judges need to be more strict on choreographers on limiting the use of props or storylines to get the point/concept across. The emphasis should be on steps that reflect the story.

I know So You Think... is on another level altogether and everytime I have tried saying why can't there be pure dancing on JDJ I am told to watch dance shows like DID because JDJ is for entertainment only😕. Why can't JDJ be about entertainment AND dancing? That's what I fail to understand.

*edited: I remember JDJ1 had that format - only one dance form in one performance. AND it was entertaining and enjoyable. The TRPS, I don't remember, how good or bad they were.*

I was very entertained and enjoyed So You Think... and even some of DID performances (that I watched from all the seasons so far on YT). So, I think, it is possible. It's just that the audience (and manjority of it) has to be more vocal about it which I highly doubt will ever happen because people watch JDJ for entertainment only.


Contemporary is so different than what is shown on JDJ5. The only one I saw do pure Contemporary and do it well was that Zindagi Ka Safar act, others had more sort of other styles too in combination to Contemporary. That's why I keep saying and wishing choreographers would focus on only one dance form at a time. They are more stricter in Dancing with the Stars; each performance they have to perform only ONE dance form and only the last performance has Freestyle in it. Here every other episode has at least one Freestly performance. I know JDJ is not a Ballroom only dance show but they should at least stick to the 'only one dance form at a time' rule.

Anyhow, gotta go to🥱
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Posted: 13 years ago
amazing post!!!! isha u simply rockk!!!

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