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hi,this is my first post and i couldnt resist answering this as i simply love the serial---bloopers and all----if ididnt i wouldnt feel lik hitting the tv each time t&d made one....

blf seems so much more simpler that somewhere along the way all characters have changed in a different way than they did in the original..its almost unfair to compare jassi with betty..betty did not have the drama of purab in her life, the broken engagement and all that which jassi did, ....she didnt have her so called illicit relationship thrown at her and her family in the press...all this would natually make jassi react diff from betty..i dont know if ANYONE would have retained their innocence after all that..and even the new jessica(much as i dislike the concept of jessica) is fine..shes only tryin to become cold and calculating and unsuccessfully if u ask me..jassi hasnt changed much..her clothes have (i hate them esp the famous black saree.) she does seem quite dumb at times lik she didnt think about y on earth wud armaan be in the hospital with bebe or wen raj told her armaan was in love with her but as the show isnt yet over i m planning to wait and see if theres some sense in that also....and cry later on if it turns out stupid. as for her becoming a model intead of using her brains i guess it was to make her come incognito to gulmohur(though y i still cant make out😕) as peaches said maybe to showcase a complete woman-beauty and brains and all (unnecessary concept acc to me) jassi was near perfect to me, now she has to go backwards all over again if she wants to be lik her before self.

compared to jassi- betty change thats for alot of us irritating, i think the growth of past armaan to the present armaan is simply.....wudve said unbelievable if i wasnt for apoorva...armando change wasnt so iumpressive but then he was never perhaps shown to be as mean as armaan..i cud never digest the fact that armando went back ti that mallika character but i cant imagine armaan doing that.armaan doesnt seem so weak spirited now, he has guts and has developed a spine....the credit shud go to te directors for this atleast..

i know its easy to get irritated with the directors and say y did they have to make it complex by deviating but the fact remains that we dont have a say and so we can only discuss wats shown on tv,, lament on the bloopers and hope the characterisation remains tolerably consistent.

personally i feel purab has been the worst treated character--the unexplained exits,the unexplained appearancesand now the suden humanising or dehumanising if u want to say that...

i dont know which s better -jjkn or blf-------i just know that jjkn makes or breaks my day...somehow ive always thought of blf as a separate entity beautiful yes but separate from jjkn..so i guess my dissapointment is slightly lesser wen they dont follow the script and i dont mind their bloopers coz they make me laugh(without the supporting cast, jjkn badly needs humour)

as long as finally jasi armaan get together its fine..but if the directors change that ...well curse them to oblivion 😡and watch blf again and agian

ssssorry for the long post..no offense to anyone , just wanted to share my thoughts.😊

Originally posted by: peaches

vasamv...Thank you very much for you comment.😊 I did not know that Betty actually sleeps with Armando. 😲. Well then again BLF is a Spanish soap, so it is expected. Does she sleep with the character who plays Pruba too?

Thanks

No she does not sleep with Micheal. They shared a very friendly relationship and Micheal actually never confessed his love to Betty/ Jassi even though Betty/Jassi could perceive it.

Originally posted by: np18

hi,this is my first post and i couldnt resist answering this as i simply love the serial---bloopers and all----if ididnt i wouldnt feel lik hitting the tv each time t&d made one....

blf seems so much more simpler that somewhere along the way all characters have changed in a different way than they did in the original..its almost unfair to compare jassi with betty..betty did not have the drama of purab in her life, the broken engagement and all that which jassi did, ....she didnt have her so called illicit relationship thrown at her and her family in the press...all this would natually make jassi react diff from betty..i dont know if ANYONE would have retained their innocence after all that..and even the new jessica(much as i dislike the concept of jessica) is fine..shes only tryin to become cold and calculating and unsuccessfully if u ask me..jassi hasnt changed much..her clothes have (i hate them esp the famous black saree.) she does seem quite dumb at times lik she didnt think about y on earth wud armaan be in the hospital with bebe or wen raj told her armaan was in love with her but as the show isnt yet over i m planning to wait and see if theres some sense in that also....and cry later on if it turns out stupid. as for her becoming a model intead of using her brains i guess it was to make her come incognito to gulmohur(though y i still cant make out😕) as peaches said maybe to showcase a complete woman-beauty and brains and all (unnecessary concept acc to me) jassi was near perfect to me, now she has to go backwards all over again if she wants to be lik her before self.

compared to jassi- betty change thats for alot of us irritating, i think the growth of past armaan to the present armaan is simply.....wudve said unbelievable if i wasnt for apoorva...armando change wasnt so iumpressive but then he was never perhaps shown to be as mean as armaan..i cud never digest the fact that armando went back ti that mallika character but i cant imagine armaan doing that.armaan doesnt seem so weak spirited now, he has guts and has developed a spine....the credit shud go to te directors for this atleast..

i know its easy to get irritated with the directors and say y did they have to make it complex by deviating but the fact remains that we dont have a say and so we can only discuss wats shown on tv,, lament on the bloopers and hope the characterisation remains tolerably consistent.

personally i feel purab has been the worst treated character--the unexplained exits,the unexplained appearancesand now the suden humanising or dehumanising if u want to say that...

i dont know which s better -jjkn or blf-------i just know that jjkn makes or breaks my day...somehow ive always thought of blf as a separate entity beautiful yes but separate from jjkn..so i guess my dissapointment is slightly lesser wen they dont follow the script and i dont mind their bloopers coz they make me laugh(without the supporting cast, jjkn badly needs humour)

as long as finally jasi armaan get together its fine..but if the directors change that ...well curse them to oblivion 😡and watch blf again and agian

ssssorry for the long post..no offense to anyone , just wanted to share my thoughts.😊

nice first post!!👏👏 and welcome to I-F, Np18!!😊

Originally posted by: Rumi

Dear Peaches.

First of all welcome to IF! 😃!

I totally agree with your words which you have mentioned as positive aspects of the show. This show is totally different from the other shows which are shown in TV. Jassi Jaissi Koi Nahin is not like other melodramatic serials. There is something special in it, which attracts lots of people towards it. It is the story of an ugly girl who does not care about her outer beauty and who is trying to win everybody's heart with her beautiful personality and intelligence. This story seems to me to be strikingly different from the other saas-bahu stories showing same female stereotypes imposed by the society. The casting is also very very good. Every actor is playing his/her role wonderfully. We cannot think of any other person acting the roles of Armaan,jassi,purab, mallika, Aryan , nandu etc etc. in fact these are the reasons why such a huge number of people watch it and we, the member of this forum always discuss about certain aspects of the show everyday.

But I do not agree with you in those points, which you have mentioned for those who are not happy with the deviations of the story form the original storyline. In this respect I want to say some words to you.

You said,

1. If I am a fan of the show then I have to be willing to give due credit to directors and characters of the show.

Yes I am a fan of this show, but that does not mean that I will be blind of all the weak points of the story. I will give them due credit surely but I will not give them undue credit. They will take a beautiful story and adapt certain portions of it (not only adapt but translate the dialogues word-by-word!) and then again, add some own foolish imaginations to another portions and thereby ruin whole story according to their own whims! And do you want to say, as we are fans of the show, we will be blind to all these and continue praising them irrespective of all these messes? No we can't, because that happens only in political parties. If you are party member, then you must support the decisions of that party in spite of the fact that your opinion is different from that decision. But here, jjkn is not a political party and we are not party members. We come here to discuss all the aspects of the show, positive and negative and not to praise them only.

2. I hate the fact that so many people knit pick on the smallest details of the show and forget the over all big picture.

My dear, this is the purpose for which we come here. We, the members of this forum watch the show very minutely and come here to share our viewpoints with each other; we do not come here just to praise the actors and the directors continuously. Here discussions take place, which are almost like debates sometimes and that is the uniqueness of this forum. This is not a fan site like other fan sites in the net. This is a discussion forum. And it is this uniqueness for which thousands and thousands of people come here and register themselves here unlike other sites. We pick the smallest details of the show, but that does not mean that we do not care for the overall big picture. In fact we care for that overall big picture very much and for that reason we discuss about every minute detail in this way. Don't you know that tiny drops of water create an ocean? It is these minute details, which create that big picture. If these minute ones are imperfect how can the overall show be perfect???

3.You know, in case T&D stopped by, I don't want them to think that every one on the forum just loves to complain about the show.) (Even though they watch every episode without fail, or they make sure they read all the updates to find out what happens in it).

I am sure T and D are very intelligent people. If they visit this forum they will know that it is their show which was the inspiration of establishing this forum which I very unique in its character. They will be happy to know that people here watch their show so minutely and they discuss about the positive and negative aspects of it for hours after hours. Is this not enough for them to be happy? Otherwise, they have their viewers throughout the country as well as world. If they come to know that here people are discussing about some loopholes of the show, they will read it and think about it. Every good director is always keen to read what critics write about his/her work. Critics are better than blind fans in some respects as critics will inspire him/her to do self-analysis, which is better than absolute self-satisfaction. We discuss about this show as we still have hopes from the directors and we do not discuss about those shows, which are absolutely crap and have no hopes to revive.

T&D did capture the basic story line from BFF which is a Spanish show, but JJKN is a little different because this show revolves around Jassi who is an Indian girl living in India. The Spanish culture and the Indian culture are two very distinct cultures, so I would have to say that I totally understand why the directors have to deviate from the original story. I don't expect to see every detail of the Spanish (BFF) version incorporated in the JJKN, other wise why not just show BFF dubbed in Hindhi with sub titles.

Yes I agree with you that Betty is a Spanish girl and Jassi is an India girl and Indian culture and Spanish culture are different. Therefore it is not possible for the directors to copy each and every word of the original.but, my friend, we are not complaining about that deviation. For example, Armando and Betty slept together when Armando was playing seduction game with her. But here this is not possible, here it is shown that arman is playing a love game with jassi and wooing her, that's all. Well nobody is complaining about that. In fact we have welcomed that deviation. In original story, Patricia (pari here) always reveals her panty hoses, but here pari is never shown like that. And once again we are not complaining about that, rather we are happy that they deviated in this way.

I think I should make it clear, which deviation we are talking about. We are talking about the deviation from the basic storyline, deviation from the message that the story- writer wants to give. If the basic storyline is deviated and if the message of the story gets completely ruined, then how can we keep quiet?

Somewhere in Jassi an ordinary girls identified themselves, those ordinary working girls that always try to establish themselves in the male-dominated society on the basis of their intelligence and never on the basis of outer beauty. Jassi was the girl who was intelligent, brilliant and was trying to establish her in the male-dominated outer world in a very manly (not womanly) way. That attracted people towards it, that was the basic message of the story and that was the uniqueness of the story. Yes, there is a makeover in the original story also and although she changes her lifestyle and becomes more confident than before, she never loses her simplicity for that. She remains the same simple but self-respecting Betty. When she comes back she joins the company as the president, she declares clearly that she wants the amount what Armando used to get when he was the president! And eventually she buys a car also with her earnings! My dear, Betty didn't need to show her skin and flesh to earn money! She earned it with the use of her brain! She didn't need to say that I have been simple and I used only my brain and that didn't work! So now I will use my skin and flesh to earn money! On the other hand with all her glory she joined as the president and Armando's father begged her to do so! Thereby she took her sweet revenge to mallika! Being president she earned a lot of money changed her lifestyle, and she was so brilliant and successful that Armando's father was amazed by her intelligence!!! Betty's father never lost confidence upon her! He supported her all along!

But what is jassi doing after getting makeover? She is a model now to earn money to take revenge. This is the difference between blf and jjkn, getting make over and being model are not the same things! Mallika has gorgeous look also, but she is not a model! Jassi is a brilliant M.BA. Why should she be a model to earn money? M.BA. s earn quite a large salary here in India ! It's quite a thick pay packet! Jassi was doing the job of a secretary and that's why she was earning so small, if she got a job acc to her qualification, she would earn a lot! Betty had a great personality; she did not go back and change her name like a coward! Jassi is nowhere near Betty: if Betty is a lioness, jassy is a mouse!!!! And do you think this deviation was required to maintain the Indian culture??? On the contrary I think the original one was more suitable for Indian culture, don't you think so????

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Just to add one other thing, I don't see why people complain about cell phones, and plane tickets, and other petty issues within the show.

Well I have already mentioned that discussions about every smallest detail is very important as the perfection in the smallest things makes a show perfect in totality.

Someone replies,…"Oh there we go again T&D is really messing the show up, how can they portray a woman like that a… woman who looks after her figure" Why do we discuss these petty topics?

How the woman here, I mean Jassi is being portrayed, is the most important thing of this show. She is the protagonist of this story. Her life itself is the message of the story. If she is shown in such a way that ruins the basic message of the story that is surely objectionable. How can you consider this as a petty topic????

Anyways,these are my viewpoints!don't take anything personal!😃😃!

Rumi....you made some good points.

I still disagree on a few points....

First off, why is Jassi coming back for GM? Why should she come back and prove to anyone that she can successfully run this business all over again? She knows she can do it and so does Armaan. He father does not know the truth.

What her main purpose here is to prove to her father that she is now has established herself regardless of what profession she has chosen. This was her hard work and effort. Modeling is not a bad profession.

Garneted she has an MBA, but if came back to GM, the only reason she would get back an opportunity to become CEO would be because Armaan loves her. How is she standing on her own two feet? That's the same reason why hasn't become a VP or CEO for Purab's company or anyone else's company.

Yes, granted she became a model with Purab's company but she managed to gain so much glory and fame on her own that now she can work for anyone.

What's so wrong with being a model? She's not showing and flesh...sorry. If she was a model for swimsuits or was posing nude I can understand.

Jessi/Jassica has proved that she has brains and is capable of a profession in any finance or an administration position....but where is it going to lead her? That's what she started with...look what happen? Look at what the board members of GM did to her, only because she lacks power. She's was an ordinary girl. Now she is not. If she came back only Armaan would save her, and give her back her old job, but only on the basis of his love, not her merit. IF he didn't love her, he too would have given her the boot. In India I'm sorry to say Power rules not Brains. It's not what you know, it's who you know. I'm not saying that smart people don't make money, but they're still a no body. It's all money. In that case T&D makes sense. The police, media, and govt' work only on bribes. That' is the truth.

In India the only people that get anywhere in life are the wealthy, someone who has an influential background, a political background, or an actress/model. What do they have in common??? They all have power and influence.....which Jassi lacked.

The only way Jassi can come back and get revenge, prove herself, and establish herself is by going into a profession that will allow her to accomplish everything on her own merit.

So she goes back with her MBA degree and goes to another company looking for a job.... Malika and Aryan have spoilt her rep so bad, that no would even consider her for one.

The idea of her starting over will give her the opportunity to come back and fight fire with fire. Like I mentioned once before, when Jessi has a powerful backing then playing field becomes leveled.

I understand why T&D has taken this approach.

Thanks.

Dear peaches.

it is very interesting to talk to you.you have made your arguments in a lovely way.but still i cannot agree with you in certain respects.

First off, why is Jassi coming back for GM? Why should she come back and prove to anyone that she can successfully run this business all over again? She knows she can do it and so does Armaan. He father does not know the truth.

Jassi should come back to gm to clear everything! Don't you see that there are serious mistakes in t and d' s handling of the post-makeover period? To clear everything I have to tell you the original story a bit.please don't be angry.

After jassi's departure form gm lawyers adviced puru to call her back otherwise gm will be in serious trouble. Puru told armaan to search jassi as soon as possible. Then court declared jassi to be the owner of both gm and kohinoor. Upto this they followed the original story. But after that what happened? If mallika is a sensible human being and if she loves her company she would like jassi to come back as soon s possible and hand the companies over to them. In the original story when this happens the gm staff start blaming Betty and then her father goes to the company and meets arman's father and assures him that his daughter will not take a single penny from them. then betty returns,no police chapter was there and most importantly betty's father continues to believe her daughter as always. After returning betty tells her lawyer that she will do whatever is required to give the two companies back to them. But as arman's father consults lawyer he comes to know if they take back the companies from her the bankers will fall upon them and they will be bankrupt in a day. As a result arman's father requests her to retain her ownership to save them for six months more and to be the president of the company. After a long conversaion betty agrees and she proves herself in a magnificient way within this time period. This story sounds sensible as there is no confusion remained in it. but here we are confused in several ways

1. why mallika is doing this if she knows that until jassi comes back and hands over the companiy to them their company will be in jassi's name?😕
2. what happened to the lawyers advice?😕 If puru was so keen for jassi's coming back what is he doing now?😕
3. why jassi's father is behaving like this ?😕afterall he could have listened to her daughter for once at least , so far we have seen that he has a deep trust upon her daughter,. Then , hearing some words from some others how can he rusticate her from his house?😕
4. why jassi is not consulting lawyers when she knows that as she is legal owner of the companies she can withdraw the money anytime she wishes?😕 Why she is going away like a coward?😕
5. if jassi is the owner of the company how armaan's signature is being sufficient for financial transactions of the company., whereas in the original story it was stopped until Betty came back and took her charge?😕
6. how can jassi change her name without legal affidavit and operate her bank account and also get passport of that name?😕

😕😕 😕😕😕………………………………There are infinite numbers of confusions here in this new indianised version. I am tired of mentioning them. Better you read our post headed, "official list of jjkn blunders".😉

What do you thing ,which story is sounding better and flawless?😕😕

What her main purpose here is to prove to her father that she is now has established herself regardless of what profession she has chosen. This was her hard work and effort. Modeling is not a bad profession.

I donot get this point.i thought her main purpose was to prove herself innocent and come back to her home .( again it is not also clear why mallika is creating such a drama only to delay the processs of getting back their own company!!!) But to do that why so much money is required in such a quick time? She should consult a lawyer and as she is the owner of the company she will not face any problem. If a layman like me understands this then a lawyer can understand this better. Yes she needs money as she is jobless now and that could be earned by a profession of MBA modelling was not required for that. How can earning a lot of money solve this problem , I don't understand that! 😕

What's so wrong with being a model? She's not showing and flesh...sorry.

No modeling is not a bad profesion. But it is once again related to showing your physical beauty! And not using your brain. For which jassi was so famous and for which the show was welcome by a lot of people! Is she not showing her flesh? what kind of blouse was she wearing when she was shooting for the first time. How can she wear like that being so much conservative? How long will she wearsaree in such a profession? What would she wear if she would go to paris? To be successful are all these required? Sorry, if this is true then it is going exactly to the opposite direction of the basic message of the story.🤢

Anyways, it is interesting that you are happy with this story still now. I am glad for that. I am telling you that although I am not very happy with this deviation but still this is quite better than other shows for which I still watch only this show .i will continue to watch it and try to write updates for all of you as attractively as I can. And my personal opinions will never be reflected in my updates. I will do it in a neutral way. But here in this discussion section I have my right to express my opinion . as I love blf more than anything else it gives me real pain to tolerate such deviations. I am telling this honestly to you from my deepest heart. If you ever have an opportunity to read that story, read it. I am not telling you to criticize jjkn , I am telling you as a friend to read it purely for your enjoyment . I am sure you will enjoy it, as it is an wonderful experience to read it.😃

Thanks.

Yes Rumi.....these are great options. The MBA, lawyers, and all that. Sound really great.

But this particular deviation that T&D have decided to take is tailored to the way things are in India.

The only point I'm trying to explain to you is that….. yes GM can run with out Jassi being present only because Aryan and Malika have proved to the judicial system that Jassi has claimed ownership of the company by fraudulent means.

This means that she is a criminal. Just because someone steals your car, home or any of your possessions, that does not make it yours. Legally speaking yes, the courts did decide that Jessi was the owner of both companies, but if someone sues you for it, then you have to prove that you are the owner, and until that happens, the board can appoint someone else in the interim until the investigations have been underway.

So that takes care of how the company is operating. As far as how it's operating, GM is bankrupt, but it's not out of operations. There are many companies that file bankruptcy but don't necessarily stop operating. Companies file bankruptcy to get creditors off their back.

Now the question remains why Jassi is running away from all of this? Everyone keeps comparing her to Betty. There is a difference between Betty and Jessi. The one big difference is confidence. Jessi was intelligent and had a great personality, but had no guts. She was push over. Intelligence and personality can only take you so much in this world and that was it. If Jassi came back to GM, people like Aryan would chew her and throw her out.

When she turned into Jessica is was not confident in herself. If you remember correctly, Jessi never had the balls to tell someone off. Look at the way Raj, Malkia, and Pari used to speak to her. Granted all Jessi had to do was taken off her glasses and she could have proved to the world that I'm very beautiful, but where would she get the attitude to put people in their place and talk back to them? That's where she needs power and fame. A profession that can get you power, confidence, and beauty is modeling.

Another case and point.....did you notice how she spoke to the lady when come to pay for Bebe's operation. She said "talk to him with respect". Now I have to say.....would Jessi be able to do that? NO. That was a great thing. She needs to step up to these people.

The other thing that Jassi had to face was the false allegations about Arman and her, which Malika spread all over India. Betty did not have to deal with that trauma. This damaged Jessica even more in addition to the heartache she was already going through. So now which Indian father isn't going hit the roof on that one? Fine I'll give this much and say yes he should have trusted her and spoken to her find out the truth.

These deviations are not all that out of the ordinary. In plane in simple terms Jessi did not run away, she went to get the reinforcement that she need to come back and clear the mess that is waiting for her.

Sorry about going back and forth with this one. It's wonderful to have this debate with you. I don't mean any offence.

Thanks again.

Originally posted by: jprasad

well, said Rumi and Shivers and np18 and welcome np18. Rumi, I agreed
with every single word you said.

I see your point Peaches that we should love JJKN for what it is, however,
to me you are coming off as quite forceful in getting everyone quit
watching JJKN cuz we don't like where the story is going. It seems that
you are trying to imply that we are stupid for having silly discussions
about the length of Armaan's hair or Jassi's clothes or Purab being walked
over all the time. I don't think any of us want to have indepth discussions
24/7 about how wonderful JJKN is cuz we would just by lying to
ourselves. Most of us are JJKN fanatics that came to I-F to join forces
with fellow JJKN lovers. We had questions about the bloopers and
blunders of JJKN or why wanted to know why Purab abruptly left the show
back in November. We have made many friend here at I-F as well
because of JJKN. I think that those of us who love JJKN and those of us
who hate JJKN still come together to have discussion about JJKN, because
we are just exchanging thoughts as friends, not people who are ardent
fans of JJKN.

With regards to the discussions that take place about JJKN, we have had
many serious discussions and many discussions where we poke fun at the
bloopers and blunders of JJKN. Some of us are long time members and
we have had way too much intense discussion about JJKN. If we spent all
our time having these indepth discussions about how wonderful JJKN is, I
think that would be quite 🤢 I love JJKN for one and only one reason,
the Jassi and Armaan love story. Jassi's character has been turned upside
down because of Tekta and Dekta so if applicable I will question her
faults and when applicable I will commend her. However, her current
actions have really caused some to dislike her...who is she Jassi or
Jessica? What is she doing and for what end?

Anyway, I WILL continue to point of their bloopers and make fun of it. So
please don't tell me to quit I-F or quit watching JJKN, cuz that is not
happening.

Well said JP.. agree with you rumi, np18,shiverz

and welcome to if np18