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Welcome to yet another edition of Reflections, phew finally he got another keepsake of hers to hold ... his stash of keepsakes increasing ...pearls, a piece of bangle, now a payal ... but the biggest keepsake his heart which beat a naughty tattoo ... yes she had impacted his heart ... yes her presence made him do irrational things ... her closeness brought out deep burried passion in him which resulted in him shouting out ... but she was not IMPORTANT as yet to HIS LIFE ... he had yet to have his SAASEIN RUK JAYENGI MOMENT ...

Yes his DI was the most important person in his life ... she was his devotion ... she was his life ... she was his love ... she was his universe ... his devotion was complete ... but wasn't it this very devotion that gave us the viewer a complete look into ARNAV SINGH RAIZADA ... a man who GAVE HIMSELF FULLY TO THE PERSON HE LOVED ... When he loved that person became the most important being in his life ...


Lets look at a very sweet but extremely relevant scene during the anniversary party ... It is when Shyam abandons Anjali on seeing Khushi & a saddened Anjali is standing by desperately trying to hold back her tears ... the soft hearted Khushi walks up to her & not only consoles her .. but manages to bring a delighted smile on Anjali's face ... a fact which not only Nani but Arnav also witnesses ...

Now till this moment ... Khushi ofcourse had seen Arnav in his home ground but her opinion of him was of a person who was ruthless & incapable of softer emotions ... she doesn't glimpse his softer side for Di even at the Teej mandir ...

Nani who is standing by ... witnesses her Eureka moment ... she knows she has found the girl who will lead this family ... who understood the word family ... Nani was ofcourse vindicated after that dialog between Khushi & ANjali ... La was a nice girl ... but she was incapable of giving her self as selflessly as KHUSHI ... cause amidst a rocking party ... there were only 3 people who witnessed the devastation that Anjali was feeling ...

Anjali's Nani .. who was a surrogate mother to her
Anjali's brother ... for whom Anjali was his life
Khushi ... for whom giving solace to a bleeding heart was paramount ... an orphan who understood what it was to feel abandoned ...

Arnav ... the man who had nothing left to give .. as all he had was given to his sister .. for the first time glimpsed someone who could GIVE as much as he could ... who had the capacity to place his DI on a pedestal & worship her just as he could do ... he witnessed a kinder spirit


Now lets digress a bit ... this ofcourse will happen in a couple of episodes from now ... but lemme preempt ...

Lets go the mandir where Arnav goes on rakhi in search of Anjali ... while they are doing their papad ka tukda routine ... Khushi looks on ... this is the first time she sees the REAL ARNAV .. as i said before this is her FIRST GLIMPSE of Arnav ... the man his capacity to love .. the man & his capacity for DEVOTION ... but whats more ... she sees & understands ANJALI IS HIS LIFE ...

Now lets cut back to the post anniv party ... La asking Arnav is there no one else who is important to your life like your DI ... the fact that she asked this question gave the plot away .. she was a nice girl .. but not the girl for Arnav ... while she was witness to his mercurial moods .. she had no clue about him .. La did not KNOW or LOVE Arnav Singh Raizada ... cause to know & love him ... was to know & love his SISTER ... The clench of the eye when he says NO .. there was no other person important ... was cause he had just witnessed someone for whom his sisters happiness MEANT A LOT ... the person who did things to him which he himself could'nt fathom ... a person ...who was soon becoming VERY IMPORTANT TO HIM ...

BUt he still said NO ... no no it was NOT DENIAL ... it was a 14 year old Arnav who could not take the RISK of LOVING ... take the risk of GIVING another person THE POWER TO HURT HIM ...

Now if u connect this to the post shaadi episode .. when Arnav grabs Khushi & tells her .. WHAT OF THE HURT U HAVE GIVEN ME ... this scene will become starkly clear to you ... Arnav was never in DENIAL .. if he was in DENIAL .. he would not have walked up on DIwali for the ill fated KISS ... if he was in Denial he would not have walked up to the terrace on Payash wedding to lay his heart bare ... Arnav was SCARED OF LOVE ... beacuse for him LOVE WAS ALL ENCOMPASSING ... because for him LOVE was DEVOTION ... because for him LOVE was the MOST IMPORTANT FEELING ... Its for this reason the DAY HE SAYS ... I LOVE YOU he is DEVOTED TO KHUSHI ... its cause of this on the day before their wedding he tells her ... I WILL NOT BE ABLE TO LIVE WITHOUT YOU ...

So now for the NEXT BIG MOMENT in this weeks telecast of episodes ... Anjali comes over to Khushi's house & coercers her to come work for them ... i USE THE WORD COERCERS not BLACKMAIL ...

Ok Before i go into explaining Anjali & her behaviour ... lets look at KHUSHI ...

A couple of episodes back Khushi stormed into the Shantivan fortress of Arnav Singh Raizada .. & very vehemently told him in crisp hindi ... SHOVE YOUR JOB ... this she did to a MAN who she knew (at that time) to be RUTHLESS ... a man who had no SOFTER SIDE .. a man FULL OF HIMSELF .. a man who was A RAKSHAS ... but she despite all this had the courage to walk up to him & SAY ... SHOVE YOUR JOB MISTER ...

But that day in GUPTA HOUSE ... she witnesses Anjali asking her politely & sweetly to come work for her ... when all else fails .. Anji brings up the contract as a trump card ... NOW guys i want you to pause here for a moment ... Khushi knows Anjali to be a timid ... god fearing woman ... a person who had a gentle nature & gentle soul .. a person who despite evidence only ever welcomed KHUSHI ... WHY COULD'nt KHUSHI ... politely tell ANJALI .. SHOVE THE CONTRACT & THE JOB ... ?????

Well the romantic in all of us will say ... thats cause she dint want to be away from Arnav .. but the real reason was that was KHUSHI ... jump before u look right .... there was a NEED & she could offer solace ... so she jumps right in ... she was witness to CHARACTER DHEELA .. she was WITNESS TO the GABBAR Dialog .. she KNEW LA ... & SHE KNEW NANI ... she knew this would never come to pass ... & finally ... SHE NEEDED TO FEEL NEEDED ...

But the other more overpowering reason ... BABUJI ... & his failing health & financial woes ... the man who took in an orphan girl & made her the twinkle of his eye .. DESERVED COMPLETE DEVOTION ... she had decided to make something of her life ... she had decided she will give support to her family come what may .. & come what cost to her ... it was cause of this that she SIGNED THAT CONTRACT iN THE FIRST INSTANCE WITH ARNAV ...

Now lets look at Shyam & his offer ... leave the job leave Delhi ... & i will give u Rs.1 lac to pay back ... (😆ok ok pause here .. a lawyer who could not find a loop hole) ... but as v know she refuses the offer & goes to work ... WHY IS THAT ??? wasnt this the easy way out ... now the romantics will cry that she was going for Arnav ... but the real reason was ... SHE HAD SIGNED ON THE CONTRACT ... & SHE HAD RENEGED ON THE CONTRACT ... she had to MAKE UP FOR THE SAME ...

Ok OK dint get this ... well fast forward to Post marriage of Arnav & Khushi .. post the Kidnap ... when Khushi is leaving Arnav .. but he holds her back for the CONTRACT ... a CONTRACT unlike the job one .. which was NEVER THERE .. THERE WAS NO WRITTEN CONTRACT OF MARRIAGE ... BUT ... Arnav knew Khushi & had given her word ... & SHE WOULD HONOUR HER WORD ...

Ok back .. A contract was Khushi's word ... & Anjali finally gave her a way to honour her word ... she would take up the JOB ... but with a few stipulations of her OWN ... 😊

Now for the Anjali angle ... as usual my take on Anji is quite different from that of this forum ... Like KHUSHI ... most people in this forum called her the VICTIM .. i called her the HEROINE .. the woman who brings a MAN TO Her FEET ... Similarly ... i never saw Anjali as the SELFISH MANIPULATIVE person this forum saw her for ... lemme try giving you my version of the so called BLACKMAIL ...


According to Anjali ... Arnav her dearest brother .. who was more a SON to her ... was in LOVE WITH LAVANYA ... she knew if everyone was in acceptance she would be able to convince Arnav to marry ... Now lets look at her need to see her brother wed ... Anjali is married .. she has a set of responsibilties ... she has a life with her husband .. but she is tied to her brother .. cause his life as of now is HER ... she wants her brother to have a fuller life .. she wants to see him married living a normal life ... having more than just HER TO BANK ON ... hence she always jolts him with the talk .. WHAT IF SOMETHING HAPPENS TO ME ...

Anjali knows what loosing his parents did to Arnav .. had it not been for Anjali the young boy would've perished ... but by making his DI his life he could LIVE HIS LIFE ... but that was a half life .. & Anjali wanted a full life for her brother ...

An incredible sibling love story ... if u are a sister you would understand this completely ...

Now La is over to stay ... but even Anji knows La is not ready to be the RAIZADA Bahu ... la simply does not have the same value system as the Raizada's ... & if she is not accepted wholeheartedly into the Raizada fold .. the family would break up ... whats more it would cost her brother HIS HAPPINESS ... an abandoned boy who got a family ... would once again be abandoned ...

So she steps forth .. looking for the only port in the storm ... KHUSHI ... her life saver .. she cajoles .. requests ... pleads & finally puts it across as a business proposition ...

She knows she has forced Khushi's hands .. so the first thing she does is APOLOGISES to HER ... & THEN AGREES TO EVERY CONDITION THAT KHUSHI MAKES ... & whats more ... NEVER ONCE ILL TREATS KHUSHI ... but EMBRACES HER AS A MEMBER OF THEIR HOUSEHOLD ...

Now if this is BLACKMAIL .. SELFISHNESS ... then how would what ARNAV DID TO KHUSHI ... NOT THE SAME ... I ASK YOU ???? did he not for the benefit of his sister BLACKMAIL khushi to a marriage ... a far more life destroying contract ...????

So i will leave you with the thot ... was it Anjali or was it Daljeet & her fiasco of leaving that made us judge her character ????

ENJOY READING ...

CU AT THE IPKS ...

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Wow wow wow Ruby - what a awesome post . I have no words for you.
It is amazing and beautiful analysis.
As I said before after reading your post one understands characters so well and sees the
the whole show in different light and go back and see episode again.
Please do keep writing regularly as you are Extremely talented and best analyst in the world.
Also missing Ritzy posts.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: ArshiHamesha


EPISODE 61-62

Circular pickle jars ,circular plates ,and circular Laddoos,Circular diyas ,circular globes on the tables,waking up early for round round,half circles,full circles ,Moon , Sun,..Uhhh'... Why the heck so many circles now.

Symbolism: Circles are frequently used as sun symbols, as well as representing things associated with the sun like Moon. Circles are often seen as protective symbols.

Ancient African, Japanese, Germanic, and some Native American tribes all hold the sun as a feminine energy. in Hindu mythology the sun is the eye of Varuna, and is also considered the "divine rejuvenator.".Sun also symbolizes for fixidity, steadiness, firmness, and strength of purpose and Circular Moon is to rule the senses and emotions.

REMEMBER:In IPK Moon and Sun are important Symbols because they are associated with all the emotions as described above in the Symbolism.

Connection : Anjali is in Khushi's house with all of her famine energy is a divine rejuvenator and a protector as she is here to rejuvenate and protect the relationship with Khushi which Arnav crippled but it is for Arnav for rejuvenating his relation with Nani.Khushi is going to rejuvenate and protect the relation with La and they will be friends and with Arnav as we all know but also with everyone in the long run.She is going to rejuvenate and protect her family by accepting that deal.How ironic as Arnav is a protector of her and her family through Payal which she left there and She is protector through Anajli for Anjali and Arnav along with everyone through this bitter DEAL .Just amazing.But don't forget this loop has a dark closure when Arnav will ask to marry him for 6 months contract...a closed circle deal

A closed circle moment 6 circles of Diyas ...the chakarvyue...which Khushi made and Arnav willingly entered to save his Khushi...and that will come again the night of contract.

The circle of attacking and counter attacking by Buaji and Mamiji was the most charismatic scene I've ever seen in IPK.Just outspoken. "Mamiji aur Jewelry ki dukan" [Mamiji a jewelry shop] and Raizadans clowns of circus were keeping me in the circle of giggles and proud of my Buaji.The scene was too hilarious!

Anajli proposal for Khushi to train La as a job was misunderstood as a marriage proposal for Khushi by everyone .hmmm... Don't worry this is going to happen twice for both of your nieces. Anjali rectifies and clear their spinning heads over this lovely propsal. Mami's sarcasism over Maids was too shallow and indeed she always treated Khushi and her family like that BUT Buaji is always there for "Hisaab Braber"[balnce her witty and evil steps]Anjali actually came on behalf of Naniji as Khushi's impression left a mark as Perfect Bahu on her.😊

Khushi's abhorrence was beyond imagination as she did not want to work for ASR. Anjali blackmailed Khushi to train La when she alienated for the propsal to work for Raizadas.She brought the contract card of paying one lac rupees of ASR into this game. Anjali left GH leaving Khushi in predicament and clutch of pain.

Shyam and his sticky ,stingy ,slimy and twitchy games are circling around Khushi so she can't make her happy and joyful circle in the RM.He is willing to circulate the money from Anji to him, from him to Khushi and then from Khushi to Anji.Uff... my head is spinning in the circulation of this "Money Drive of Rani Sahiba."😕

He is right about one thing Khushi "You will be there" when he will need you.HE is going to use this innocence of yours after Terrace night and YOU will bring him back in the RM against all the odds for Anjali.These circular games are just getting into action."Bara hi dohke bazz hai yeh pair bar bar larkhra jata hai"[My foot is very unreliable and deceivable]Well said dear but just remember one thing DM is with Khushi's innocence and SHE had her protector ARNAV the ocean of wilderment which is going to gulp you with all of your deceits and craftiness.Just wait...😡

😡😡😡Angry at Khushi for touching that filthy piece of dirt...😡😡😡



Pause here:Communication is off as all the communications will happen but timings will be odd as he will be aware and unaware at the same time.He calls but disconnects before Payal finishes telling him about Khushi's decision of RM.Excellent move DM...👏

The other side he is putting circular Laddoos of his schemes by calling Anjali Selfish.Look who is talking."You are Mahan" [ great] Shyamji"👏😡

Anajli you are making me so proud these days by not listening to this "Schemey Laddoo" with full of dusty particles . Just thoo thoo...👏😊

Pause here: Anjali is making Laddoos for Raksha Bandhan which is a"Bond of protection" in between brother and sister. No doubt this relation is above and beyond.

The circle of protection goes from Anjali to Chote,from Arnav to Khushi and then Khushi to Arnav and then to Anjali unintentionally as a forced marriage then intentionally during kidnapping and onward to Anjali.

But La couldn't make any circular Laddoo has no protection of her dream to get marry with LADDOO ASR...😳

In Rm Arnav is lost in "Khushi's Khiyal" while being lost in his Laptop apparently.He is running up all the beautiful moments which he spent with her. As "tumhare saath bitae huwe moments yaad rehne lag gyey".[I onlyremember the momemts which I spent with you]He can't get away from this "Sehar" of Khushi.La comes in and brings him back from this spell and he steals eyes like someone got caught red handed doing something wrong.La Seeks forgiveness and promises to make everyone happy .He tells her just care about Di and not anyone else.He turned around to hide his tears as he is having a vortex of enthralling emotions going on in him after yesterday's incident as Di was extremely upset which is the cause of his distress as"aagar Di khushi nahin tou khuch bhi theek nahin".[If Di is not happy ,nothing is perfect]

Pause here:La,"Joh tumhare liye important hai woh mere liye important hai"..[the person who is impt for you is impt for me] ..indeed When she will find out Arnav's intention for Khushi she will set her aside for him.


La's question about the importance of the person after Di is painful for him as he closed his eyes and the true answer is right there but he dejects himself with ASR BG score "NO" .Well ok run as much as you can but this"Sehar" is coming towards you to wrap you completely and spell caster is no other than your Di who is right "You don't say anything When Khushi is infront of you " .She saw her in her tigress mode while returning her resignation and Lion in his silent mode though she used the same arrow on Khushi today to bring back TIGRESS in the Lion's Den.Game is so ON.I am loving this one...👏😊

Pause here:Two pickles jars on the table refers to someone as a treasure in your life.AS Today Arnav is acknowledging it with his closed eyes as khushi is the treasure of his life ."Tum meri Zindagi ki sab se bari deal ho" is going to be at the end.He will treasure her more than Anjali.The table will turn and inclination of his heart will be heavier towards Khushi.Di will be important but Khushi will be one step higher than her as"Khushi mein tumhare bina nahin ji paoonga".

Till now Arnav and Khushi came close enough that their hearts are beating for each other but their minds are beating the odds against each other.

Pause here: By closing his eyes He remembering her by treasuring her life,her tears, her belongings ,and her essence.YES indedd these all are important just like Di or may be more than that but realization and acceptance is far from here right now.Keep lying Mr Akhroo Yummilicious!!

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PONDERING POINT: He expects from his partner to treasure his Di as he does.Khushi is going to do more than him and will go even against him to bring Shyam for Anjali's happiness.She will treasure her more than he expects.👏👏👏

Heart and mind game in between King and Queen associated with their loved ones is above and beoyond .If Arnav's heart and mind brings tears and make him do anything and go any extent for his Di as She is his family[ "aap meri family ho kyun keh aap ne mujhe khabi bhi mam aur dad ki kami mehsoos nahin hone di" ] .The same is with Khushi as her Amma's voice is attacking her heart .Khushi is in the middle of the vortex of roaring issues as she is in the processes of consuming all from everyone .She seeks answer from DM as She is her final resort...😊.

As Khushi always takes decisions under pressure of her family's issues .From here and onward her whole life will be under this Pressure as she is orphan and this is her payback to Guptas.After all this is her family.

She accepts Anjali's blackmailed proposal but at her own terms[Not to see her Arnavji...yeah right ..just let him find out .you think he will spare you as he is your possessive protector...]BG music was adding melody with this "Jashan" of Bride's arrival👏😊

Pause hereAs Mami mentions the time in between 2 and 4 as Sun down slowly

:Symbolism Sunsetting....beginning of a time of trial (night can be equated with trial). Also, it can represent the end of a chapter in someone's life.The Night of their marriage...contract VS The night of Diwali...6 circles of Diyas ...the chakarvyue...which Khushi made and Arnav willingly entered to save his Khushi...

2nd Symbolism:Two is the number of discord and conflict, but also of balance and marriage.Yin and Yang.and Number 4 is associated with the Earth[4 elements fire,air,water and earth] and with completeness.

Connection : The chapter of Arnav and Khushi to come close for forever in beginning from now on ,no matter how many times he is going to throw her out with his anger and rage but her "Sehar" is impossible to throw away isn't it Mr Akhroo .You will be completely one soul after the discord.It will end the chapter of all the PAST pains of Arnav with his Khushi to be his Khushi for eternity with the help of HIS mother.(My Other Bishop)

It also will end the chapter of Shyam while bringing those two souls together.Anjali will open her eyes by paying BIG price at the end.😭

La's reaction is quiet normal but She can't beat the circle of Chamkilli's shining wisdom and got agreed as "Iss mein hum dono ka fayeda hai"[We both have profit in it].Nice victory Khushi as Nani says "La is out after sacred steps of Khushi in RM" So true every "bad Omen" will be out of RM as thals of happiness and joy with this BRIDE has entered already and made her marks basically at each and every corner of this "Shativan".Jalaibis are circling around ecstatically.👏😆😳

La's complaint "poof" down in the air by ASR's cold and lackadaisical attitude.BUT this dashing hunk was YUMMILICIOUS in his avatar.Just Drooling[Ami's speciality] over him is not enough sometimes.❤️

Sorry Guys 'This one does not need any analysis😉😳

Edited by ArshiHamesha - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Enjoyed both .. Ruby and ArshiH ... Will come back later
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Posted: 12 years ago
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arshi and ruby - lovely write ups.

Rubz - loved the analysis, but can't agree on Anjali😉 I honestly think that when things went her way, she was this loving, selfless self. The minute attention was taken away from her, she became possessive and manipulative. She wasn't a "villain", but people (a.k.a Anjali) who have such strong influence on a person subtly manipulate others (a.k.a. arnav ) to get their way.

Here are some things that come to my mind right away...

1. she did blackmail khushi to work for her. Why else would she bring up the 1 lakh contract when Arnav himself had chosen to forget about it? It was clear that she was coercing Khushi at this point. And then may be to erase her guilt, she agreed to all of Khushi's conditions. I think both of them knew that this was a ridiculous condition. Both knew that she couldn't NOT see Arnav while working in his house. This was just a way to save face for both I think😊

2. She was happy for her chote when she found out that he loves Khushi. She even created circumstances to bring them closer (with and without nani's help). However, she did this TILL her world was secure. Arnav still placed her above Khushi. Shyam still loved her like no one else. So all is good.

Now fast forward to Arnav placing Khushi's happiness over di (he didn't really, but it appeared so to her). He celebrated Khushi's bday within the confines of his room even when di was heart broken. Was she happy for them now? NO. Did she feel jealous of Khushi? YES. And I don't grudge her. It is human tendency to do so. To know that a person who lived and breathed for her has another equally (or more) important person in his life.

I do think that while she dearly loved Arnav, at some level she loved herself more. I strongly suspect that if the roles were reversed Arnav wouldn't ever grudge his di's happiness, for she was his life, and he wanted her happiness no matter what.

So to answer your question, no it wasn't Daljeet. She was annoying, hell yes. But Anjali was equally annoying!

Edited by bidz - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: bidz

arshi and ruby - lovely write ups.

Rubz - loved the analysis, but can't agree on Anjali😉 I honestly think that when things went her way, she was this loving, selfless self. The minute attention was taken away from her, she became possessive and manipulative. She wasn't a "villain", but people (a.k.a Anjali) who have such strong influence on a person subtly manipulate others (a.k.a. arnav ) to get their way.

Here are some things that come to my mind right away...

1. she did blackmail khushi to work for her. Why else would she bring up the 1 lakh contract when Arnav himself had chosen to forget about it? It was clear that she was coercing Khushi at this point. And then may be to erase her guilt, she agreed to all of Khushi's conditions. I think both of them knew that this was a ridiculous condition. Both knew that she couldn't NOT see Arnav while working in his house. This was just a way to save face for both I think😊

So bringing the 1 lac contract up to get Khushi to work for her was a BLACKMAIL .. a sign of a manipulative character ??? So how is NANI not the same .. dint she put that ridiculous adendum to Anji that she cudnt teach La .. & then deliberately made Anji start thinking of Khushi ..? how is Arnav not the same .. ? now go back & see the scene .. she brings up the contract ... but does she forcefully force Khushi with dire circumstances if she did not adhere to the same .. or did the over powering guilt Khushi felt made her accept the contract ??? now how many times when u have gone for a job interview the same has not happened to u .. a cookie which is hard to say no to .. or when is it when u have gone with a resignation letter to ur boss he has not used the same to you ... does this make ur future employer or ur current employer selfish & manipulative>?

2. She was happy for her chote when she found out that he loves Khushi. She even created circumstances to bring them closer (with and without nani's help). However, she did this TILL her world was secure. Arnav still placed her above Khushi. Shyam still loved her like no one else. So all is good.

Now i would ask u to go back & watch the episode when arnav puts that path of roses for khushi & is about to kiss her & the family walks in .. & the corresponding scene with anji .. when she says things are changing ... Arnav tells her .. I AM IN LOVE WITH KHUSHI .. she is the girl for whom my saansein ruk jaayengi ... & the moment he mentions he word love to Anji .. she embraces him & then promptly the next day speaks with KHUSHI .. the person who Anji had seen seducing her husband ... lets not forget that ... WHY shud Anji trust Arnav .. & Arnav's blind faith on KHUSHI ... & if Arnav's faith in his wife is justified then isnt Anji's faith in her husband also justified ... we know shyam as the villian .. DID ANJI know shyam as the villain .. was any proof given to her to prove shyam was a villain ..?

Now fast forward to Arnav placing Khushi's happiness over di (he didn't really, but it appeared so to her). He celebrated Khushi's bday within the confines of his room even when di was heart broken. Was she happy for them now? NO. Did she feel jealous of Khushi? YES. And I don't grudge her. It is human tendency to do so. To know that a person who lived and breathed for her has another equally (or more) important person in his life.


Was ANji jealous of Khushi ... u r sounding like those people in the forum who cried incest when Anji & Arnav hugged 😛... or was the LIE that got to her .. the flowers were not for her but for his wife .. which he had lied to ANJALI about ... the anger is that NOW HER BROTHER WAS LYING TO HER ...
Arnav NEVER PLACED KHUSHI OVER ANJALI ... now to ennumerate this scene .. please watch the SECOND MARRIAGE EPISODE ... when Arnav comes to the altar to marry Khushi ...Before he asks Khushi to marry him ... HE LOOKS AT ANJALI ... & makes a gesture to which she NODS .. she accepted KHUSHI warts & all & thats when he makes the proposal & marries KHUSHI ... that to me was the most significant moment in IPK 398 episodes ... it gave away the story line ...this was a love story ofcourse ... BUT THE underlying base of the story was THE SIBLING STORY as well ...


I do think that while she dearly loved Arnav, at some level she loved herself more. ( Gimme one instance where the maker made u feel Anjali loved herself MORE) ... I strongly suspect that if the roles were reversed Arnav wouldn't ever grudge his di's happiness, for she was his life, and he wanted her happiness no matter what.

So to answer your question, no it wasn't Daljeet. She was annoying, hell yes. But Anjali was equally annoying!


Welcome back Bidsy ...

Ok my take along side ur write up ... when we sit to watch a serial as a viewer we connect with some characters & some characters even when they r not grey we dont seem to connect with them ( honestly dont remember watching any payash scenes at all in IPK .. i just dint connect with the 2) ... like i said .. MY TAKE ON ANJALI was different from the forum ..

The maker was not showing a manipulative & selfish person ... but its sad that a few viewers in general took her as that ... to me the brother sister love of IPK was as path breaking as the confrontational romance ...
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my response in pink ruby. though my responses may sound abrupt, I don;t mean to sound like that. just hard pressed for time...

Originally posted by: redwine1


So bringing the 1 lac contract up to get Khushi to work for her was a BLACKMAIL .. a sign of a manipulative character ???

of course it is manipulative. when you know the person has no choice and you force the persons hands, what else will you call it?

So how is NANI not the same .. dint she put that ridiculous adendum to Anji that she cudnt teach La .. & then deliberately made Anji start thinking of Khushi ..? how is Arnav not the same .. ? now go back & see the scene .. she brings up the contract ... but does she forcefully force Khushi with dire circumstances if she did not adhere to the same .. or did the over powering guilt Khushi felt made her accept the contract ???

see anjali knew very well that chote was not being nice to Khushi. then why force her hands in the first place? I agree she was nice to her later and all that, but I cannot seem to agree that forcing the 1 lakh issue on Khushi was a generous act. It was subtle manipulation to me.


now how many times when u have gone for a job interview the same has not happened to u .. a cookie which is hard to say no to .. or when is it when u have gone with a resignation letter to ur boss he has not used the same to you ... does this make ur future employer or ur current employer selfish & manipulative>?

To be honest this has never happened to me. Yes, the boss has tried to ask me to rethink my decision, but not with the threat of a contract. Yes, I agree, Nani and Arnav are also both used to getting their ways. But if you concentrate on the bro-sis relationship, to me, he came across more selfless. I know you have a different take, but I could never relate to her as you did.


Now i would ask u to go back & watch the episode when arnav puts that path of roses for khushi & is about to kiss her & the family walks in .. & the corresponding scene with anji .. when she says things are changing ... Arnav tells her .. I AM IN LOVE WITH KHUSHI .. she is the girl for whom my saansein ruk jaayengi ...

what I found weird in this whole scene is that Arnav had to spell it out to her. Wasn't it clear to her how important Khushi was to him in the first place?


& the moment he mentions he word love to Anji .. she embraces him & then promptly the next day speaks with KHUSHI .. the person who Anji had seen seducing her husband ... lets not forget that ... WHY shud Anji trust Arnav .. & Arnav's blind faith on KHUSHI ... & if Arnav's faith in his wife is justified then isnt Anji's faith in her husband also justified ... we know shyam as the villian .. DID ANJI know shyam as the villain .. was any proof given to her to prove shyam was a villain ..?


well proof was not given, but you can't deny that there were several instances that she should have questioned. She was so blindly in love with him that she never questioned anything he did/said. his sugar coated words always worked for her. but yes, here I give you that arnav threw him out without any proof. that was a mistake on his part.

Now fast forward to Arnav placing Khushi's happiness over di (he didn't really, but it appeared so to her). He celebrated Khushi's bday within the confines of his room even when di was heart broken. Was she happy for them now? NO. Did she feel jealous of Khushi? YES. And I don't grudge her. It is human tendency to do so. To know that a person who lived and breathed for her has another equally (or more) important person in his life.


Was ANji jealous of Khushi ... u r sounding like those people in the forum who cried incest when Anji & Arnav hugged 😛...

that is a bit harsh. just because I don't agree with you on anjali's point of view. no, it wasn't incest when they hugged.


or was the LIE that got to her .. the flowers were not for her but for his wife .. which he had lied to ANJALI about ... the anger is that NOW HER BROTHER WAS LYING TO HER ...

I think it was both. She was hurt at his lying. But she was also hurt that Khushi held so much importance to him. in one of the future episodes, when she heard him ordering something for khushi, she didn't like it. and came back to her room and said hamare chote ab hamare nahin rahe. or something like that. like I said it is the impression. That's what I saw.


Arnav NEVER PLACED KHUSHI OVER ANJALI ... now to ennumerate this scene .. please watch the SECOND MARRIAGE EPISODE ... when Arnav comes to the altar to marry Khushi ...Before he asks Khushi to marry him ... HE LOOKS AT ANJALI ... & makes a gesture to which she NODS .. she accepted KHUSHI warts & all & thats when he makes the proposal & marries KHUSHI ...

To me, he did that because Khushi was indirectly responsible for their mother's death. and he had to make sure that she was on the same page with him. So I understand where this came from.


that to me was the most significant moment in IPK 398 episodes ... it gave away the story line ...this was a love story ofcourse ... BUT THE underlying base of the story was THE SIBLING STORY as well ...


I do think that while she dearly loved Arnav, at some level she loved herself more. ( Gimme one instance where the maker made u feel Anjali loved herself MORE) ... I strongly suspect that if the roles were reversed Arnav wouldn't ever grudge his di's happiness, for she was his life, and he wanted her happiness no matter what.

as I said it is the general impression I got after seeing IPK. to me the bro-sis relationship was a significant contributor, but it was not the entire story.


So to answer your question, no it wasn't Daljeet. She was annoying, hell yes. But Anjali was equally annoying!


Welcome back Bidsy ...

Ok my take along side ur write up ... when we sit to watch a serial as a viewer we connect with some characters & some characters even when they r not grey we dont seem to connect with them ( honestly dont remember watching any payash scenes at all in IPK .. i just dint connect with the 2) ... like i said .. MY TAKE ON ANJALI was different from the forum ..

yep, and I completely understand where you are coming from. As another IPK viewer, I loved Anjali initially, but later found her to be not as likable. That is my honest opinion.


The maker was not showing a manipulative & selfish person ... but its sad that a few viewers in general took her as that ... to me the brother sister love of IPK was as path breaking as the confrontational romance ...

nope, that would be too easy to describe any character in IPK. they were all complex characters.


Finally, I would agree on the part where you say arnav never put khushi on a higher pedestal than Anjali. I think relations cannot be compared. This is like saying choose father over hubby or vice versa or mother over wife. Each relationship has its own significance. But I do know that Arnav couldn't live without his Khushi. He began to live only after she came to her life. Then where he placed her w.r.t Anjali is not significant...
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Ruby...What a superb write up as always and I am happy you didn't make me wait for that either this Friday...Thank You❤️
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After reading Bids...I do have this in my mind..regardless I see this whole as way beyond love story...but in Mandir during Teej when Anjali is almost going to trip and Arnav one side and Shyam other side is taking care of her...reminds me SHE is indeed a pampered by all and she is way too much stubborn by nature if she wanted something she wanted it PERIOD...when she stopped taking meds and don't eat because she wanted Shyam...but lets go back ward as I am living with one of this KIND...

Talk to natural instinct of a woman...it always works like a radar...if so many people are saying it and she saw herself a lot...she is seeing him doing, saying ,acting all sorts of things...then something definitely popes up...regardless you want to be blind...Everything is fine...to make and keep delusional...

Later her throwing flowers in her room...ok if a husband is doing something in his room for his wife ...regardless you are a sister ...and your position is still upper no matter what...as for him If Di is happy that's what is mattered to him...but not in her case...I agree some what with Bids here...because even she talks to Khushi to show her brother but Khushi felt it right there why is she doing this and Khushi leaves ...

When Arnav brings Khushi back and she refuses to take Raksha Dhaga
and asks her in slight anger she wants her brother time and my point is he left Khushi in Guptas and came to her to make sure he could have the Kheer with her and all but went back there in the middle of night then why is she angry in the morning...come on after marriage there are some limitations and that doesn't mean siblings' love is getting out of the picture...as Bro sis relation and love is the most beautiful among all and remains there for forever...no matter what if some women think otherwise going after their hubbies ...They are simply fool in front of me...but what they showed it was change in story ...as I could sense the change drastically...I had no problem with hugs, or carrying sister in her room yet sister's behavior was a bit odd and after a plunge in trp they changed it...I know our CVs and their bright ideas...
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Arshi ...


I love these controversies wakes up people ... My ques again here would be how would being STUBBORN make a person MAnupilative & selfish?? Both khushi & Arnav were show as egoists so does that make them selfish & MAnupilative??

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