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Originally posted by: kmv3d

Regarding what Kushi is doing now, I think its totally correct. God! It's just a fiction. See it. enjoy it as long as the show goes. Then switch to the next one. See no logic. There are so many things happening in real life, which you can never digest. Go and see in the village sides. live in relationships, polygamy, everything is very common. I work with some NGO's here. I"ve seen quite a lot. Sometimes it's even hard to breathe.

So when compared to all those, what Kushi is doing is right.

Originally posted by: momma1128

reserved!!

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I love your post. I do feel that the CVs have been manipulating Khushi's character a bit too much. I can absolutely understand her desperation, particularly after knowing that Shyam is behind this disaster and still has misguided feelings of "love" for her. I am happy that NK is a witness to it all (small favors) but what really is a huge dislike for me is that it is yet again the terrace MU redone and regifted to the viewer - with Khushi at least KNOWING what she is speaking to get the reaction she knows he will give. Please, we have been there and have so very much done that. What makes it worse for me is that these manipulations with feminine wiles are being initiated by Khushi. Oh I cringe for her character because they have reduced her to withstanding this, the character who would not go anywhere without her dupatta, in the name of love for her husband. What doesn't sit well is was there no other option. Was this THE ONLY way? But I suppose they want to show sacrifice of the ultimate type - most significant type in ArHi for ArHi. ASR goes against his inclination for marriage and sacrifices those principles for his Di, and here we have Kh sacrificing a piece of her honor for him. Oh the smell of SP is all over this.

It is becoming a regular story with this PH, great idea and emotional pull, lousy execution thanks to too many SP cooks in the pot.

Originally posted by: stardust-

okay, i did not read much of it 😆

i will just blabber what i thought of the episode, cuz you just will hear me :P

First, does Khushi love Arnav so much that she wants to go to the length of shyam proposing her in order to get him back? What is so great about Arnav that she wants him more than the man who is already beside her? haaawww, pyaar kuch cheez hai.

idea, great, execution, puke-worthy. That's about it. But i love NK's fake accent.. at least, he has one!

Originally posted by: mommy2000

Awww...JW!!! Hugzzz
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What part of my brain are you? !?! You have taken every bit of the rant that was forming in my brain and poured it out here...only better!! I offer you a wine ripened tamaatar (just know, it only means we are on the same frequency)

I first didnt know what tamatar was but now I do...great to know that we are on the same frequency😊

I read your post once, and then again and then once again. There isn't an alphabet that I don't agree with. And how I featured on line one of your post, is totally lost on me.,,but i am beyond grateful.

Appreciate this...and your thought below including the ones on the techique..ie. screenplay and placement of emphasis totally mirror mine!

I have to admit that I haven't watched the episode yet but i am tuned into a tamaatar frequency that tells me that I should not even bother. Not for lack of storytelling but the way it is being told.

Yes its not the storytelling , but the approach, the screenplay which is at sea here.

She loves him. Truly and totally. We get that. It is undisputed. But we don't need extreme screenplays to know how far she can go? They did the same with the wedding track. He saw them. He misunderstood. He reacted. What extremities do you need to show so that the audience gets it. Give us more credit than that.

I would say the same, give us more credit, give your actors more credit...than making them emote to a tried, tested and weathered down track

The story on paper is largely that they are lovers who have several trust and ego issues to contend despite the overpowering love...but the screenplay to project this story is about extreme situations and stands, which create a joke of whatever credible characterisation Barun and Sanaya try to project

There are 45792374957309532 ways to navigate through this flimsiest kidnapping track and they choose from the rejects.

True that...for example, I have not understood why a mature individual such as Mamaji or Akash could not have been trusted with the truth?...

You show us flawed characters and we won't judge. You show desperation. You show desperate measures. Fine. But then along with that comes reflection and acknowledgement of the flawed means.

Reflection...thats a wonderful word Renu👏👏...

Reflection it is...you get messages (both on screen in the way its told and in print through interviews by the makers) that this is about passion, its about a daily soap, its about emotions

have we reflected as to whether whats being shown is any of this?

I would not justify any of the extremities that they have shown with respect to Arnav and Khushi. Both have "the end justify the means" syndrome. And we do understand what they did and why they did it. But at what point do we draw the line?

Yup, my toughts exactly...at what point do we draw the line?

Or better still ...is there a line?...would love to know your thoughts on this

beyond a point I do not justify either ASR or Khushi...if I can write earnestly about ASR's systematic mental abuse, I do feel and have written about Khushi's systematic physical and character abuse.

I have always tried to articulate that both of them...at different points in time ...have taken disappointing decisions and have irrevocably wronged each other...

I don't judge any of them ...as I accept them as humans...

But there are no takers...no reflection...

An example, Renu is this...the end is to eat a scoop of ice cream...whether you request for it, wait patiently for it to be given to you, ask for it, snatch it and eat it, deceive someone to get it...or murder someone to get it

The end is the same...you got it and ate the ice cream scoop...so are all the above means justified?...and should the means not be subject to any reflection?...

All hasn't been bad either. Khushi sticking around after being told the truth about the circumstances leading to their marriage. I applauded. Arnav professing his love despite not knowing that she is innocent. Steller. The telepathic conversation (i shall ignore "telepathic") was all that we wanted to hear and more. But why are these incidences far and few between?

Agree wholeheartedly with the bold...is the above not a sign of implicit love and core belief in the relationship...

I would not call it telepathy but a 'self conversation' both of them had...is that self admission not an acceptance of the love

Then why reduce it to an unsatiable need for ill thought through drama?

And what about the other characters??

A good robust story, believes in developing all characters...if we only talk about televised fiction...then Tamas, Buniyaad, Friends, Everybody Loves Raymond, or even the contemporary Sasuraal Genda Phool worked because you felt for most if not all of them...

What has happened to shashi, mama, and garima?

Cost cutting on payroll?

Why is anjali calm?

Simply because the way her character is built...more importance is given to her appropriately placed smiles and tears over a plate of chaas or pooja thali than any remotely real issue surrounding life ...safe the incident when she got hurt in the car accident

Why is Payal taking etiquette and relationship advice from Bua?

curiously ...who else can claim for a perfect relationship...perhaps Bua is the only one who did give her family the care and love they deserved...without any tinge of sacrifice or motive attacted to it

Why is Payal not being addressed as an accomplice to this entire mess? She has always had a bigger responsibility than Khushi.

Because talking to a sibling would give a faint allusion that there is a family that needs to be accepted ...but then the thrust is on showing that my love for my beloved and my love for my own devices is greater...family doesnt figure here does it...in any case Payal too seems to have a reciprocal attitude

What is Payaash?

A good possible track...now wasted on the sidelines

And i shouldn't have to wonder about lakshmi.

Such a talented cast, out of the box characterizations, backdrops and yet we are struggling with consistency, scripts and screenplays. Let's not even address the technical aspects.

And finally, Guide. Superlative choice for this post. A classic. A trend setter. Quite ahead of its times. S D Burman at his best. And yahaan kaun hain tera is among my top favorites composed and sung by the great musician himself.

Yup ...SD Burman da is pure gold.👏👏👏👏

The movie...quite ahead of its time...

It is written in media that Waheedaji was warned against enacting this role...that aparantly projecting a woman who pursues her identity and dreams and discards her husband to live with another man would finish her career...But Waheedaji did it and what a performance!!👏👏...it gave us Rosie ...and when Rosie sings "Kaaton se kheench ke yeh aanchal...Aaj phir jeene ki tammana hai"...it speaks for a lot of women who are stifled by the patriarchial norms of society

Interesting isnt it Renu😊...the song still seems so relevant to a lot of women we know

And even interesting isnt it Renu...that when you talk about this you are either told to shut up yourself for bringing sense into this...or branded as someone who likes ASR and dislikes Khushi ...never mind that the whole post and thought smacks of the need for a honoring basic human values such as love...and for a solid ground for a projecting a womans character growth and empowerment...not just a token justification of achieving an end

Comes back to the insightful comment you made...reflection...

JW..thank YOU for this post!!

Originally posted by: newipkk

Liked your summary of the movie Guide...a timeless classic. The last monologue of Raju in that movie was just awesome.

The question of conscience is a personal one. Different people have different interpretations. The issue is not that the path taken by Khushi is gray but that it is dangerous and may lead to more MUs. Has she thought through this? Seems more like being emotionally blindsided with a singular aim of finding her love at all costs. Playing Shyam and trying to beat him at his own game should not be on her conscience. She is doing this with a clear objective in mind. Shyam is a person who deserves to be manipulated. What I do not like is the nonsensical dragging and scripting at this point. Don't have a problem with the track overall or Khushi's chosen path. There have been umpteen monologues to show how difficult it has been for her to take this route...the ASR route in a way.

About love - I am sure IPK will definitely show LOVE being respected, cherished and honored pretty soon from both sides. Love taking center stage and becoming more important than every other relation. That is what viewers want...though the wait has been terrible. Still optimistic!