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Shanthi

@Peace67

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Posted: 13 years ago

#301

Wow, GH is hot under the collar... I guess from his POV his rant is justified...

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--Anna--

@--Anna--

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Posted: 13 years ago

#302

Originally posted by: redwine1

I'd like to second Doods here ... it becomes illogical because ASR said it first

he has not accepted Khushi's innocence either to her (or to us the audience)

There has been no ques in our minds that he loves her .. that they have shown from the dhabe waala track so they don't have to justify to us the audience ...

After ASR confessing his love to Khushi ... who has accepted it ... then what is he repenting for ??? if there is a repentance track its going to be a force fed one ...

The confession should've always come from Khushi first ... not from ASR ... a man as arrogant as ASR ... with his "meri bahut badi ego hain which makes me ASR" would never permit him to speak first ...

Logic exists if you want to look at the logic!

First who said ASR cannot confess first!?? Wasnt he going to tell Khushi that he loved her on the night of the wedding!? He was - so no his ego is not that big that when time demands it - he will not confess.

Secondly - redemption is still possible and it will be very much logical if the creatives show it logical. It will be because Arnav said ILU at that moment for he was not sure whether he would get to speak to Khushi again. He did fight to survive - but he did not also want to let go of that chance. It indeed was a confession from heart.

But if you understand Arnav then you also can realize that Arnav can STILL go back on his words. More so - he never fell out of love from Khushi. That is the main point in play here. He was and is always in love with Khushi - him saying those words at that moment - just shows that he was always aware of his feelings towards Khushi - and he just put it in words. He cut the phone for he was not sure if she reciprocated the same since she became silent.

Third, Arnav needs to seek redemption from himself more than Khushi - and that will happen - once he realizes his mistake. Remember Nani's words - "if he cannot do anything for the people he loves - he will hurt himself." Khushi will definietly forgive him but for Arnav it will be difficult to accept that he spoiled her dreams and he treated her like crap. Arnav is a man of guilt and regret - if throwing Khushi outside to sleep can make him crawl to sofa - I think I can hope that realizing his sins will make him crawl into darkness.

Now I have given you a logical peek through into it - and it makes sense completely. Rest depends on the PH how they handle it. Ofcourse if they dont handle it in a logical way then we can go and shed some tears over ruining our serial - but judging it when it has not happend and deeming any logic to be impossible - oopsie - I cannot be that negative for a show that I have watched for 11 months.

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Shanthi

@Peace67

Sparkler

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Posted: 13 years ago

#303

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Logic exists if you want to look at the logic!

First who said ASR cannot confess first!?? Wasnt he going to tell Khushi that he loved her on the night of the wedding!? He was - so no his ego is not that big that when time demands it - he will not confess.

Secondly - redemption is still possible and it will be very much logical if the creatives show it logical. It will be because Arnav said ILU at that moment for he was not sure whether he would get to speak to Khushi again. He did fight to survive - but he did not also want to let go of that chance. It indeed was a confession from heart.

But if you understand Arnav then you also can realize that Arnav can STILL go back on his words. More so - he never fell out of love from Khushi. That is the main point in play here. He was and is always in love with Khushi - him saying those words at that moment - just shows that he was always aware of his feelings towards Khushi - and he just put it in words. He cut the phone for he was not sure if she reciprocated the same since she became silent.

Third, Arnav needs to seek redemption from himself more than Khushi - and that will happen - once he realizes his mistake. Remember Nani's words - "if he cannot do anything for the people he loves - he will hurt himself." Khushi will definietly forgive him but for Arnav it will be difficult to accept that he spoiled her dreams and he treated her like crap. Arnav is a man of guilt and regret - if throwing Khushi outside to sleep can make him crawl to sofa - I think I can hope that realizing his sins will make him crawl into darkness.

Now I have given you a logical peek through into it - and it makes sense completely. Rest depends on the PH how they handle it. Ofcourse if they dont handle it in a logical way then we can go and shed some tears over ruining our serial - but judging it when it has not happend and deeming any logic to be impossible - oopsie - I cannot be that negative for a show that I have watched for 11 months.

Anna, me too want to be positive...he definitely needs to forgive himself...and like I was saying to Sathya yesterday maybe the ILU will help Khushi help him...

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ranjitha

@ranjitha

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Posted: 13 years ago

#304

Originally posted by: tanthya

Who is crying about their analysis not coming true... The venting starts only when the pointers goes for a toss and they bring in a irrelevant thing as a last min addition ..

Analysis in not done out of thin air, giving reign to our imagination..Analysis is done after gathering the notes thrown in the episodes ... the cry part comes when the pointer so carefully laid out is discarded without another logical explanation taking its place ...

Sathya
Read through the posts from page 1 today..
You will see so many posts saying that they are disappointed that Arnav's redemption is not happening... I know that CVs are planning for it.. yaha pe kisine keh diya aur sabne maan kiya... Bond paper pe likhke diya hain kisine ki nahin hoga? My point is WAIT.. WAIT TILL that situation comes and then cry !!! kal ko if they show redemption moral of the story will be "we commented on it, hence CVs changed it" and agar nahin dikhaaya toh "maine kaha tha na" type.. Give CVs a chance to show what they want it.. then lets discuss it... if they dont show Arnav's redemption, then I'll come first and rant about it here, for I dont go anywhere else.. this is my second home 🤗 but wait till it happens... REDUX is known for its positivity Sathu... but from past two days I have just seen '😭😡' smileys, thinking about a track that has not happened at all..

Ok I'm done for the day.. guests aa rahe hain ghar pe.. will have to help mom warna maar padegi 😆
Maine maidaan ni choda hain... will continue tomorrow 😆
See ya Sathu 🤗

P.S: this is not just for Sathu.. I'm not used to arguing in REDUX... I've fought a lot in main forums to the level of people throwing chappals at me, but luckily the atmosphere here is great... even if you people feel like throwing chappals, you dont 😆 I've written plenty today andhave not looked back at my posts, not once... so if my tone was harsh, my apologies... I wanted to say all these.. hope you understand, fine if you dont agree 😆

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ranjitha

@ranjitha

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Posted: 13 years ago

#305

Originally posted by: --Anna--

Logic exists if you want to look at the logic!

First who said ASR cannot confess first!?? Wasnt he going to tell Khushi that he loved her on the night of the wedding!? He was - so no his ego is not that big that when time demands it - he will not confess.

Secondly - redemption is still possible and it will be very much logical if the creatives show it logical. It will be because Arnav said ILU at that moment for he was not sure whether he would get to speak to Khushi again. He did fight to survive - but he did not also want to let go of that chance. It indeed was a confession from heart.

But if you understand Arnav then you also can realize that Arnav can STILL go back on his words. More so - he never fell out of love from Khushi. That is the main point in play here. He was and is always in love with Khushi - him saying those words at that moment - just shows that he was always aware of his feelings towards Khushi - and he just put it in words. He cut the phone for he was not sure if she reciprocated the same since she became silent.

Third, Arnav needs to seek redemption from himself more than Khushi - and that will happen - once he realizes his mistake. Remember Nani's words - "if he cannot do anything for the people he loves - he will hurt himself." Khushi will definietly forgive him but for Arnav it will be difficult to accept that he spoiled her dreams and he treated her like crap. Arnav is a man of guilt and regret - if throwing Khushi outside to sleep can make him crawl to sofa - I think I can hope that realizing his sins will make him crawl into darkness.

Now I have given you a logical peek through into it - and it makes sense completely. Rest depends on the PH how they handle it. Ofcourse if they dont handle it in a logical way then we can go and shed some tears over ruining our serial - but judging it when it has not happend and deeming any logic to be impossible - oopsie - I cannot be that negative for a show that I have watched for 11 months.

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Nia

@Nia.D

Voyager

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Posted: 13 years ago

#306

Originally posted by: tanthya

Who is crying about their analysis not coming true... The venting starts only when the pointers goes for a toss and they bring in a irrelevant thing as a last min addition ..

Analysis in not done out of thin air, giving reign to our imagination..Analysis is done after gathering the notes thrown in the episodes ... the cry part comes when the pointer so carefully laid out is discarded without another logical explanation taking its place ...

Wahi toh na Tants - maanti hoon ki it takes you and DB a lot of effort and time to put all these hints together and give us a clear view of the tracks ahead... but the thing is that it seems like you have got so attached to this process that it obviously rankles you when the tracks don't come out the way they were laid out.

I agree that the PH, CV's and others are at fault, but your attachment to the analysis of the hints, metaphors etc. are clearly showing through your discussions today.

Day in and day out, the two of you do this - it's natural for a sort of pattern to settle in, a kind of habit forms, and then now when these people scrap all the hardwork you've put in to decode, it is natural to share what you feel.

But, then just like the IP has blind followers, you and DB too have readers who blindly follow and absorb whatever you say. Just like IP has a responsibility to the viewers, you two have a responsibility to your readers. Fine, it's okay that things are not going the way it was supposed to, and fine that you are expressing what's going wrong, but each word of yours has an impact on the readers.

One comment from you can spur a huge outcry. And some of the first few comments already show that. These will then take it further and spread, and like chinese whispers, who knows what news will end up where?

All I'm trying to say is that we can't read into the future when the future isn't here yet. Why doubt the future of IP when it still has a way to go... there is still so much to be explored, there is still so much to be seen, and done...

I don't know why, but DB's post came across in a negative tone and that is why people are huing and crying around about IP. I did not find her post negative, i understand that it was her attachment to the show and her decoding that was talking over there - but some of the other readers do not get that!

I love what the two of you write, share, and discuss, but not at the cost of readers misunderstanding what you two are saying. A clearer message on the situation would help clear the air among the readers.

Thanks for reading me out!

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--Anna--

@--Anna--

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Posted: 13 years ago

#307

Originally posted by: tanthya

Anna,

I am asking WHY did the TRP dip even when Barun was there ??..Why did not the same teenagers help the TRP build up then ?? what went wrong at that point..U had Barun as ASR, Barun as ASR romancing Khushi ..yet the TRP came down...!!

ASR has been changed, i am saying ASR has to be unchanged !! ..The story line has been tightened imo..that is what they were doing these past few weeks in BS's absence barring for the blip of two days !!

The answer to that question is in REDUX itself...

That is because along with the actors - the story has to be that good as well. Neither BS nor Sanaya can run the show alone - the story and the actors go together. When BS was there - people were frustrated with Khushi's OTT! U saw it in sync with the story line but for me and lot of us - we were irritated. Their the story took a beat for us and many of the viewers. I said it that time also that we are here at REDUX we understood that it was Khushi's desperation if nothing else - but did the layman understand it!? They conviniently shifted the channel. I did it. I was watching Mahadev then for i was pissed with Khushi.

Last week the story was top notch - but Barun was missing - so again the TRPs went for a dip.

So a combination of both is required - one cannot do all good for the show. Like I said I am not supporting the PH - they do need to tighten the script if nothing else - but changes in scripts happen - some clues were given to us before and they may have changed the whole thing now. But I did not see anything illogical and neither did I see ASR changed except in the dream sequence which even I felt was ridiculous! For me and my understanding of ASR - ASR was Arnav in the ILU episode. Nothing more nothing less.

@As for the crying part - I meant that people are upset with the fact that today's decoding has laid down that no repentance will happen and no shyam execution will happen. The panic has set in the redux and i am sure you must have noticed that every one is asking the same thing - WHY will it not happen and how they have waited for it and blah blah blah! 🤪

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PriyaR-jeesa

@PriyaR-jeesa

Inactive

Posted: 13 years ago

#308

Sathya: Loved your analysis.

Doods: I really respect your decision about not wanting to write. I would lie if I did not say I would miss it as I have many of your posts bookmarked on my browser and have also discussed it with my sis. More than anything I liked your crisp writing style and your ability to tell a story in every analysis. Having said this I must say I am a little dissapointed with you toay with the way you handled the situation thereby causing negativism on the Redux thread.

anyways I really hope that the upcoming tracks excite you.

As a viewer, I am most definetely enjoying the current track.

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tanthya

@tanthya

Inactive

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Posted: 13 years ago

#309

Originally posted by: ranjitha

Sab kuch sochke hi kahing Sathu.. last fortnight was a disaster... thats what I have written in all my previous posts.. but then too I stuck with the show, except for Swami track... toh ab kyun chodu? Last week' s TRP is because of BS absence and before that was because of the story and direction... Just an actor cant make or break a show... and just the story cant raise the TRPs... you need a combination of both... thats why I said, now they have improved and with BS comeback in june, they will be on the right track...

Sathu, probably you didnt get my point... my only problem is 'IPK has lost its essence' and 'I have lost hopes' thinking... I may like a track and you might not and vice versa.. I'm absolutely fine with it... Thats why today I didnt point out anything to you.. but just because we wanted a terrace confrontation and thats 'probably' not happening now, we are getting extremely negative about the show and probably GH's rant pissed many... If you cant keep your hopes upright, what will motivate you to be hooked to the show? Here people are convinced that there will be shyam's and not Arnav's redemption... who said that? it's just an assumption or result of a decode session na? then why take it as universal truth and loose our optimism about the show?

So u are assuming that The story will be bang on as soon as BS comes..what makes u so sure of that ??How will ppl know that the story will be bang on as soon as BS comes back... are all the TRP viewer's connected to the FB pages and IF to get this tidbit... what makes u think that the rival show will not have a greater track to keep its flock together ...They need to work from now on and they have begun t work ...That much is being seen with the way track has changed and Getting BS back to shoot ...Now to see whether this yields result ...

Many here saw the seeds for Shyam moving back to his wife ..His redemption..I am still not buying it and am hoping that it will be a maneuver to buy time cos I truly want a Anjali-shyam confrontation and so far the signs aren't promising ...Assumption are not made out of thin air..it is made based on what is present... U don't get ur programmes to run just by thinking it out, u write out a series of syntax's, make a loop of it to run.. the same principle is used while analysis... sometimes they need to debug it..the PH are debugging it and we are picking on that too and bringing it to ur notice...it is not saying that YOU have to accept it ..Here I am saying..See this are the dots I have seen and I have connected it this way ...accept it or leave it but do not say, I have lost optimism..I question the PH, I draw a diff picture from ur's does not mean that I have lost enthu or optimism... or positivity !!

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redwine1

@redwine1

Rocker

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Posted: 13 years ago

#310

You know i have watched Geet from 1st episode to the last episode ( infact after the show closed i may seen the series some 5 - 6 times entirely) haven't yet seen a show which kept me with it for so long .. ( if any of you have not watched it .. must watch it for unparalleled chemistry of the leads)

Doods is right ... i have been saying the same thing ... they are following the framework of Geet from day 1 in this show ... see in Geet the office track was the most successful track ... so they did it here .. it dint work ... thats shud have given them pointers ke its the not the same TG ...

There are 2 major flaws in following Geet for IPK ...

1) the biggest one is that the villain is turned positive in Geet ,... the moment they did that the story went downhill ... & from NO.1 in trp charts the serial nosedived ... & dwindled to sub 1 trips ... & once u turn villain positive .. u can't suddenly make him negative .. ergo Rashi of saathiya she turned positive now they want to show her as negative again ... the audience doesn't stomach crap like this ...

2) Maan SIngh Khurana is an iconic character ... but he is poles apart from ASR ... the only thing common is that they love a girl passionately ... From the first introduction of Maan he has been a conscious saviour of Geet ... ASR has been doing this unconsciously (except dhabe waala track)

Maan has only one thing in his life Geet ... he is a puppy lover ... very soft with her from the beginning of the series ... But ASR is a twisted character .. he is arrogant .. egotistical ... he will not bend backwards for his love .. thats what makes him ... change that & the DNA of the character changes ..

For most of us all the times ASR has said "Farak Padta hain dammit" has been much more powerful than the I love You ... simply because he has always said it anger ... it has been wrenched from him ... thats the beauty of it ...

In a love story boy meets girl .. they fall in love .. a villain tries to part them ... unsuccessful & then end of story ... so the moment u make them puppy lovers & make them confess ur story is moving towards confrontation & climax ...

Unless you then move towards the problems in marital life that they have ... aur kya bataoge .. anjali's struggles ... ( really the audience will want to see that ???).

ALl indicators have been there from the beginning that this show is moving like Geet .. the hangover for Geet is too strong for the PH ... which is ok ... but this is a new story ... u may want to use similar scenes ... but the story is different ...

Gul herself in one of her interviews during the ending of Geet ... told the viewers to watch IPK ... (its a similar story)

Just hope Gautam & gang come to the party & make redeem the show .. all they have to be is true to the track

Well most of this is conjecture on our part .. since i for one don't know how the story will progress ... hope the writers & PH have it figured out .. & will surprise us ( would love that ) as this story has so much more potential than geet for a longer run ...

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