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Posted: 13 years ago
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The redux started by Tants and Doods is an amalgamation of ideas. While they had so many reasons for disliking yesterday episode and hibernated, even an analytical person like me finds just one reason to like it. Probably, that one reason is what makes us communicate.

In tryst with destiny:

I was really struggling to what to write about this episode. Is it an interaction of emotion and rationality or is it a newfound rapport of brain and heart or solace between love and aversion. What so ever be the logic I think it is nothing but a tryst with destiny.

Khushi and Arnav are having their respective tryst with destiny.

In tryst with destiny - Arnav Singh Raizada :

While the forums were euphoric and enjoying the word uttered by the mighty Arnav Singh Raizada, there were a few who were equally disappointed to the core that the CV has resigned to the reality. Some people like me adjusted (no other option given the circumstances) but questioned if it is out of character or in place.

Arnav Singh Raizada though flaunts about his "dimaag" but he is an emotional fool. He is paranoid at the very though of death of his beloved ones, that is the main reason he acts more as a protector. Protection comes in two forms - physical and financial. He became ruthless for giving the financial stability to his sister and rose physically to give Khushi protection. He always found khushi to be accident-prone and that is what makes him her saviour.

The man who never stepped out of his Kremlin is in the mercy of abductors threatening his very existence. That little moments he got to speak to his family members was a gained opportunity to him. While he maintained himself in his default mode but with Khushi, he lost out. Why did he utter those three words?

As we travel the road along with him:

- With so much aversion for Khushi he risked his life and protected her during the car park accident (the emotional side of his charges up)

- On the road when he presumed that she met with the accident, he was running after the ambulance His car was near he could have taken the car and followed the ambulance ' why he ran. It is just his emotional side. He returned to his senses only he heard Khushi's voice having an argument with the "channa" man. He took few seconds lying on the steering wheel and then returned to ASR to confront her.

- Recently, when he saved her from the suicide attempt he said the truth to her about her illegitimate affair with Shyam only due to charged with emotion. No other way he would have uttered the truth.

Therefore, concluding that answers come from ASR when he is emotionally charged and in duress, he is not in a position to predict whether he can wither the storm. In the game of chess ' there is a position where we can play neither defense nor attack ' the positions entangled that there is no way forward. That position called "Stalemate". Here the players succumb to draw the match.

Today, Arnav did not call for divine help ' he gave in to both facets of his persona. His words came as a code from his logical brain and unadulterated love from his emotional brain.

He did not call for any divine help, the surviving instincts in him tried to make a contact with the outer world, finally as a Hypoglycemia patient he had to recede to the human anatomy call.

Today, in this gambit, the protector savaged and the Kremlin walls were falling from its glory. This is his tryst with destiny.

In tryst with destiny - Khushi Kumari Gupta :

She wanted to name the unusual relationship shared by them, situations created and circumstances erected. With torment and turmoil, by cares and anxieties, in pain and turbulence she met with defeat to get those magic three words. In the virtual world, she became his wife but victory eluded her, as the warlord did not give her the stature.

Today, in her extraordinary circumstances governed to be the first lady of the home, amidst the crowd of her people, from the loneliness of her heart she heard those words. Is the moment ecstatic, surreal, fictitious or factual? Overwhelmed with emotions she craved for chamber of seclusion to digest, savor and linger the defining moments of her life.

Reminiscence came in for justifying his words and the ballerina was lost in the Ballard of her thoughts. Alas, the message in the bottle regained her senses, the sixth sense ' that distinguishes beyond the frontiers of emotions and rationality. A man who blemished her character, who made her wait for hours, who did not bother to tell her he is leaving the country, who never gave her a chance to prove her innocence cannot descend so easily from the mount of suspicion. There has been a strong reason for those words ' something he tells her in the abnormal circumstances. She decoded it successful. This is her tryst with destiny ' she emancipated her heart words in pursuit for the words of her brain.

Places that captured me:

Arnav Singh Raizada: the resilience he showed while facing death and his struggle to get hold of the telephone is the hallmark. Is it the strength of the character or the histrionics of the actor I am unsure but they complimented each other.

Khushi Kumari Gupta: In the police station when she was filing her FIR (First Information Report), the answer she gave to the inspector the reason for her suspicion that her husband is absent. Well "he said that he loved me". That's it.

Before leaving, how I can go without a lovely song. It is from the film Haqeeqat 1961, Music by none other than genius Madan Mohan Ji ,lyrics by Kaifi Aazmi Ji and renditions by the nightingale lata Ji. Enjoy

Zara Si Aahat Hoti Hai To Dil Sochta Hai
kahin Yeh Woh To Nahin (3)

chhup Ke Seene Mein, Aaa
chhup Ke Seene Mein Koi Jaise Sadaa Deta Hai
shaam Se Pehle Diya Dil Ka Jalaa Deta Hai
hai Usi Ki Yeh Sadaa, Hai Usi Ki Yeh Adaa
kahin Yeh Woh To Nahin (3)

shakl Phirti Hai, Haa Aa
shakl Phirti Hai Nigahon Mein Wohi Pyaari Si
meri Nas Nas Mein Machalne Lagi Chingari Si
chhoo Gayi Jism Mera, Kiske Daaman Ki Hawa
kahin Yeh Woh To Nahin (3)
zara Si Aahat Hoti Hai To Dil Sochta Hai
kahin Yeh Woh To Nahin (3)

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpZ7PD5jLng[/YOUTUBE]

Edited by vimmiya - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
#12

Episode opens with asr saying ILU to khushi...

Under the circumstances he understands... it could be his last chance to talk to her...making him emotionally vulnerable...in the weakest moment he forgets everything else in the world except that he loves her...the upheaval of emotions making him to say nothing but ILU...

Once he is rescued...by khushi...her actions confuse him more than ever in saving him...n he might choose not to answer her question...(but he will never take back his words ...he will just evade answering her...).


The day he sees the light( truth)'He will pour his heart n will confess what he felt wen he saw her in shyam's arms..

It is at this stage that he starts wooing her n at the same time shyam igniting the fire by adding ghee...


Khushi...

khushi's face lightens up...at the words she eagerly waited since long...but the situation is not ripe for her to take it at the face value...she doubts the essence of those words...what an irony..the same words which she doubted will lead her to arnav...

she will accept him...for she understands him...for she loves him..n for he loves her..for there wont be ego exists anymore...


But one thing confuses me'

1. Why did she say he didn't give her chance to prove her innocence..he gave at the airport..she herself is not utilizing the evidences..more over depends on shyam to clear the air..? ( is it just to imply that she is right n he is wrong for his repentance...)


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after reading vimmiya's post...i came to know that tantya n doods n others were disappointed becoz of untimely ILU...that cud have been their best trump card...

tantya n doods....

do not u feel though it was said under sad cirumstances..it didnot feel out of no where...it was just being himself...

this is going to add more fight between them..that may ultimately lead to breakdown..

i know most feel it cud have been better if ..he wud have grabed her n shake her wildely. say her.." dammit why dont you understand ?..i love you"...she will b shocked n drop dead letting her jaw open...

most were waiting for those magical scenes face to face...

i feel these these are yet to come ...in unusal mode...




Edited by payasa - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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WOW loved all the first pagers and the other pagers too ... Tant, AP, Buggzz bunny, Lizzy, Nymph and Sunshine, Arhi and Shreya ...

except Nymph, I can see the sadness in the posts ... that elation which lights up the eyes were missing ... Above all I loved the spirit that you all have ... and this is why I think we should keep Redux open ... This place I love and will always love and it is beyond any series ... even some of us stop watching then also we will be here and who knows tomorrow could be a better day ...

Who needs Khushi and Arnav and IPK ... I Love you all yaar ... That's all ...

I also know you all want me to write but how can I provide the food for thought when I myself am not getting any??? Instead of feeding you wrong, I should stop cooking food right??? I am here for the suggestions and views but please nly request I have understand me also. I am really Sorry that I am declining the plead of writing but I can never think of doing a bad job .. instead I will prefer not to do at all.

Thanks sweetie pies ... I am here of course. 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: lalsunvid

Dear all

Doodhs mentioned she may not write until Confession.

Actually all are pissed off the way the serial has taken an "U Turn" . See the IPK before Feb and now. Where is the beauty and intensity?

How was Shyam revealed to Babuji and Khushi? How beautiful they showed Khushi's emotions after Diwali heartbreak and Shyam's revelation? How much beautiful was the break up of La - ASR shown ...Damn matured and serious...but never went too dramatic or overhead ;They were perfect and perfect .And when the love started blooming between the leads how much beautiful were the Bangle episodes right?

Just look whats happening now. This revelation could have been brought in a number of ways. This state of the serial cannot be accepted by all the serious fans...out here... Doodhs and others have put their heart and soul decoded all the possible clues and tracks. Please read back "Fables" and "Ra - One" ..I can understand how doodhs' should have felt seeing DBY episode.

Why did we bear all the stupid "Oh LA LA" all thru March and April becoz we were expecting a mind blowing revelation of Shyam and more than mind blowing Confession but PH have considered something else right??We have wanted a brilliant redemption track of ASR...who needed "ILU" at this juncture. ??

Above all a TV Actor may not take an easy decision to start off a movie which is double risky and this should have been going thru between the lead and PH for more than a month or so. They could have banked up some episodes with him instead of such a hasty decision to let him go and do a showdown.

We have always loved and supported angry, more angry devilish ASR. Why would we let him down now till revelation takes place. Who are they trying to pacify? What was the need after all.

I donno how many may support my stance here. But this part was so so unwanted ...If Doodhs doesnt want to write...I really support her since "Time" is valuable to all of us . It was out of love for the serial she had to write down and help us so much to understand all the minute details of this soap.

Am really sorry if this has hurt someone...but just felt like penning down what I had in my mind.



Awww Thanks Sweety for understanding ... You are a darling ... 😃

Yeah time lagta hain ... morning I get up and then by my time 10am (India - 10:30pm) around I watch the epi ... by then Tant pings me to be ready and reserve ... after I reserve I continue with my work and chat a little in between with Tant if she is available ... Then along with work I start thinking abt the epi and try to get the heck out of it ... phir checking the earlier analysis and then start downloading the videos which I needed for loops or connections or picture ... In the mean time do loads research and also my reg office work simultaneously ... phir when all figured I start to write ... in between there would be tons of disturbances; also I had to check time for East coasters and London peoples because it will be late night for them ... Hence, I also had time deadline ...

By 5:30 pm my time I hurriedly finish the post and start updating which also takes around 1 hr ... coz of proof reading, pictures, colors etc...

This is how I used to do analysis and this is the Reward from PH we all have got ... Ab bolo now is it worth continuing for this serial???
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Me here ... Whats up ??? Hugzzz 🤗

Heellooo Hiii Byee byee 😃
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Anna--

Hola people! :)


Was not planning to write anything today - especially after the heated discussion on Arnav's ILU on REDUX yesterday. Nevertheless just putting in some quick points across :

1) Arnav's ILU - I know that many are still not satisfied with it - but I am very happy with it! Yes indeed it worked out completely in sync with the way the story is moving. Arnav was at gunpoint - and he needed to let his heart out to Khushi and he did. Yes - one may ask why now!? Because when death faces you in the eye - every emotion is hightened and at that moment he did say the words to her for he did not know what future held for him. Keep yourself in Arnav's place and you will understand. His expressions gave out his feelings. And no he could not cry for he is not weak - he choses not to be weak and especially not in front of the kidnappers. Look at the scene again and look at his eyes and you will see how much it hurt him to believe that he may not see the next day. He fought he struggled and then did the words come out.

Arnav never fell out of love from Khushi - hence when today he was facing death - he chose to say what he felt. Like Nia said yesterday - it was the amalgamation of Arnav with ASR and rightly so.


I know everyone is disappointed with the ILU, but for me Arnav and Khushi are above ILU. They have already confessed zillion of times and ILU is not how I want their confession to happen. It should be with beautiful words - which have never been spoken - but felt - I am keeping my fingers crossed for it - for I loved this ILU and I know I will love the actual confession as well! :)

Love :)

P.S : I was not angry yesterday but I was upset that everyone was giving up on the actual confession. I would stay away from REDUX if my views and thoughts hurts someone or sound harsh.



Aren't you giving contradictory views??? at one point you are saying at deathbed ASR said genuine ILU then why the actual confession??? was this not actual then??? This was from his heart right??? Then this is what??? why are asking the real confession then??? There aren't going to be real confession and it should not be because then it contradicts this ILU ... so I don't want any Temple either...


Dekh Anna, I understand your POV ... but you have to understand where I am coming from.

See Sweety some important things here I wanna say. Sometimes we need NOT mix the Real and Reel and sometimes we need to. Where to mix real and reel that is the job of the PH and the Media and not the characters.


that's my prob ... my right brain is extremely analytical and my left brain is extremely emotional ... they never merge ... where I req to be analytic I am that and where emotional like confession types for me there should be no logic .. love is just love ... and no one should make any joke there ...

like if ASR said on deathbed fine with me as per the situation but the MAZAAK was done by 4 Lions here and not ASR ... I can justify ASR here if I want to but the problem here is NOT ASR but CVs ... they have made a MOCKERY out of 11 months of waiting ... and Khushi did make a joke out of that ILU ... in the last scene ... when will she grow up ... her questioning within her was fine but to the police??? How will I justify her "Naadani" realization here when she said to the Police that dialogue ... she should have said anything right??? It's their personal thingy ... she should have said she knows ... Instinct ... whatever. They wanted to show Khushi's innocence there but they massacred the development in her mental growth and realization ... I only loved her Smile after she heard those golden words ... and at the Police station what she said, even that became FAKE.

mujhe problem CVs ke saath hain ... they are mixing real life with reel ... reel is magical and they need to create it ... like they did in the bangle and pool and diwali

and about the story line .. I said last nite there were major flaws ... like ASR would have suspected first its by Khushi as she delayed his flight trip ... he cud have thot jaan boojh ke

and then if at gunpoint then why not giving the authority to Aakash for business ... taking care was fine as thats natural but responsibility is something very critical ...

last promo aired for 1 week and then the phone call came and this promo canme friday night and baam tuesday they aired ... ab hurry hain ki nehin bol???

I just wrote to Zu in the morning this:-

I was remembering Kuch kuch movie .. there when Kajol went to the tree and said I love him imagine agar SRK would have listened instead of Salman then where would have the effect gone??? they could have damaged then and there ... but instead he said it at the end with sign lang ... that is the reason succha big effect ...

then Notting hill where they both knew about loving each other but said it in the Press Conf ... that too in a side way ... that's called love story ... yahan toh ILU ko hi Maazak bana diya
Edited by doodleberry - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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What beautifully appropriate title!

"Saawariya...
Naahi Chain Re Daras Bina Naahi Chain
Saiyaan...
Jabse Gaye Bides Re, Saawariya Daras Bina Naahi Chain,
Saawariya Daras Bina Naahi Chain..."


I found the lyrics apt for today's episode.

The dream sequence for me was a continuation of Khushi's revelation in this new found happiness before she gets into her detective mood.
I prefer their natural romance,i.e.,pre-marriage days. But it was definitely a good change from hurt Arnav and worried Khushi. So a thank you to CVs. But this is one time thing only because sugar coated ASR is definitely not my thing!

The pace of the track is commendable. Akash's role is gaining importance in the whole matter so that something I find interesting. Is Shyam the boss or only the informer of the kidnappers? Because seriously how is he affording these thugs?

Barun Sobti can act. OMG. I was cringing when Arnav was whithering in pain. Sanaya's expressions are perfect to T. Everytime the come together this couple seriously sets the screen on fire!

Overall a good episode.
Edited by peppygeek - 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: abavi

hi Beena, Neither did it for me !



The dream seq actually PROVED that Khushi doesn't know ASR at all ... if she would have known him then she would never imagine him running after her ... what the hell was that??? that's what she knew him??? and the song "Aooge jab tum" with him chasing her ??? EEEWWW

they needed a song where she was pining for him to return ...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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An average episode...sadly PH proved my fear right today...Khushi dreaming of Arnav as lover boy- uske character ki toh vaat lag gayi.
Yesterday while I understood the disappointment of Tanthya and Doods, I liked his confession. I can somehow understand the pressure PH is under but more on that at the end.
I did feel Arnav wanted to give everyone what he believed he owed them since his future seems unsure and more than anything he believed Khushi deserved to know his heart and so he confessed. In some ways it also a way to lighten his heart since he has always felt guilty for mistreating Khushi despite believing she deserves it. He probably also wanted to a response from her- something that would tell him that she felt the same. I am not sure if he was able to decode Khushi's tears and silence today, he seemed a little disappointed. Did he still believe that Khushi does not love him and has some residual feelings for Shyam? Did he hate his weakness to come out and say it out loud and not hear anything back? Did he regret that he had to confess the way he did under the circumstances and he would probably never see her agin? I was left confused even more since the words "Kyun dard itna.." played in BG when the camera zoomed in on his face. I was also right in my assumption that Khushi will find his behaviour odd and go into detective mode. I loved the flashbacks today, instinctively Khushi would be reminded of all the times that Arnav threw a clue about his feelings her way and she missed them. I was hoping that she would start to clue in now and that would give her an insight into Arnav's hot and cold behaviour thus taking the story forward.
That expectation stayed until we started having the pearl necklace sequence and running around the pool...what was that? It seemed too cheesy and definately something targeted at fangirls.That was the Satyanash moment for me.So much potential in the story and we end up seeing pre-adolescent version of romance. Someone kill me!
Now coming back to PH- These guys really seem to have a bad string of luck. Thier show balances itself on the shoulders of three characters- Arnav, Khushi and Anjali and all three actors that play these characters have either signed up for other projects or are threatening to leave (assuming rumours are true). Infact this is the only time that I have heard a PH dealing with a crisis like this. If an actor had pulled something similar on balaji productions, he would have commited professional suicide. I commend the PH for trying to do right by the actor and get some free moolah in the deal but unfortunately thier largese/adjustment seems to have come back to bite them.
Unlike other shows this is a love story and not a family drama so the PH did not flesh out other characters as much and with good reason. Now they are left scrambling , trying to figure how to proceed while the channel is playing the TRP game with them.To top it all, media and certain other PH and 4 lions (read- Barun's movie PH) have kept the uncertainty on the sets in media to create free publicity and paranoia. However this has hurt the show more than anything, any interview from Barun has been dissected minutely and masses with that information have reacted on it. Maybe this will tell the actors the price of fame and the virtue of keeping quiet and letting the storm blow over.
So what does PH do now-
1) Gracefully end the show but why would they...they can still milk this cow. Besides what is the point of letting 11 months of work go down the drain.
2) Introduce the possibility of replacing the actors playing the characters if need occurs, however it would not work since they spent last 11 months building the relationship between the actor and character so much that masses tend to see them as one. It will be hard to accept an another actor playing any of 3 main roles. Barun was right when he said that anybody could play Arnav since the true hero of story is Arnav the character and not Barun. But that ship has sailed...no one will be accepted as Arnav now. Masses see Barun more as Arnav than his real life persona.
3) Introduce new character- They tried this but it did not work partly because I think that they went OTT with the characters. Introducing a business rival, someone from Khushi's past etc would have probably worked better...just saying! On the other hand you have to start to flesh out a new character and give him time to establish rapport with masses and with current hysteria, no one wants to give a new character a chance...everyone is focused on how long Barun will stick it out.
4) Introduce parallel romance track- Payash will not work since thier characters have not been set that way. They have been set as insipid couple. That leaves Anjali and I strongly believe there is immense potential there. IPKKND is also the story of Raizada siblings. But for that to happen Shyam has to be kicked out and a new heart-throb has to be introduced who deals with Anjali's eccentricities and fears. Given time we might see arshi like popularity for the new couple too but then time is exactly what PH does not have. We might still come back to this at some point.
4) Stick with thier story and hope everything works out despite popular opinions and falling TRPS.. They are a small PH and the financial risk they bear is too big to ignore. They need to succeed to survive and for that they need the show to survive but for that to happen, they need TRP and for that they need fangurls who are demanding romance so we end up with ridiculous version of story which puts off more mature demographic. This is what I believe PH has decided to do under duress much to my disappointment.
But the fact remains that PH are in bad place and they truly do not have many options until the hysteria dies.
Edited by dramacrazy12 - 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: RiyaDutta

Group Hugs to all🤗
And Doodsie where are u des days😕 missed u!!!!



Hugzzz Riya ... One more day I will be ok sweety ...

I so am in bhatakti aatma mood mein right now ... I am cursing myself ...
so now I feel why did I do in the first place ... Tant brought me here... I told her so many times that I won't do but she forced ... Ab I am feeling sad and depressed ... This is why I am feeling blue

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