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Posted: 13 years ago
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what a lovely post and a much needed one at that. I have read some really good reponses. mine may be slightly different. DO NOT throw chappals.

I personallly think the MU is good. i love the concept of the show revolving four characters, and neither met by the run of the mill coindenence. It isnt a conventional story. also, it somewhere involves ALL the characters. if ArHi romance is owing to people in their life, then their separation is owing to that one man-Shyam.. i havent seen this thought process in Indian TV and the characters are all fab. Each one has a purpose.

I dont think MU came a wrong time. It was PERFECT. where one story was starting, the other died abruptly. ArHi met on the day of Payal's 1st wedding, it seems fitting that that something separates them on the day of the same woman's wedding. it gets complicated as they are separated on paper by Arnav's BIL and tied together by the relation of being IN-LAWs.

I think sometimes we forget,the MU on paper is due to Shyam. but the bigger reason is also lack of trust between ArHi.

BUT. the six month contract- this is the biggest fault. Why tie down the damn marriage. If not for this clause, they wouldnt find the need to drag a few episodes and time line would NEVER matter.
If six months in IPK isnt six months in rreality, i dont give a f**k. Due to the six months, Cvs feel the need to drag and show the " nuances " of an everyday marriage.🤪
IF, they hadnt added the clause, then Khushi threatening to leave would have more weight, each episode would mean more. actually the show would mean more. honestly, the six month clause, implies that no matter WHAT, Khushi is stuck with Arnav for six months. the maika track would appeal more as well, if not for six months.
And, the bigger problem, the overdependence of the PH on Barun and Sanaya. this in part due to SLOW SLOW pacing. seriously, IPK was always slow in pace, but post marriage its worse. which implies that six month clause seems even more monumental. Put them together we have a diaster.

i know the show was dragging in between post holi. but i think its on the right track. yes, the script should be tightened. its time for Shyam to harass Khushi more. Time for tension. Time for Khushi to start using real methods to find out the truth.



Wow. i wrote quite a bit. feel free to agree/disagree. and I hope i made sense. 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
#62
Is this your first thread Sam? Super post. You should write more often. The show started to loose its charm after La's exit for me. I feel there are several issues besides the lack of good script that affect quality of the show. These days, often I watch it online in one window while I am doing some work on another window. I have no expectations from the CVs now. I dont know if at all the story can be salvaged and if the old magic can be recreated.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sam girl friend...its a wonderful post...and I have alot to say...but too darn tired to gather them all together and put it down to make sense in my fuddled brain...
Umff factor is a missin and I think R and R is the priscription...but that is a luxery they cannot afford...
they seem to be in a dingy stuck in deep sea...calm sea so they go in circles...turbulance would have atleast thrown em under or to shore...
its a pity cos there was potential and a stellar cast...and even more stellar audience (I mean us😆)
what a waste if its all to go down the drain...
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Sam, terrific post and great discussion, ladies. In my view the term jumping the shark indicates a structural improbability of recovery --- it's a point from when we can only go downhill. The show that we started out watching and fell in love with certainly has gone downhill and I don't know that I see an easy way back.


I do wonder if the producers weren't caught in a trap of their own making - If in fact the inspiration for the story was the Urdu novel that resulted in the original concept of Didi ki Saut. That seemed like a dark story, one that seems like a misfit for a prime time 8p family entertainment spot. So they soften it and contemporize it, make it a desi M&B about the brute and the jhalli.


Don't they also paint themselves into a corner? They did well, as long as it was about electricity, awareness, attraction of opposites, gradual realization of love. But then you build up to ikraar. And then everything comes crashing down. They don't have a plan to delay that well enough that this can run for 500 episodes. Apparently that is the goal - not telling a good story. 😕


So how do you delay acknowledgement of love? errr... the wafer thin MU, the house of cards that is ready to collapse. If they don't wake up and smell the coffee they're in danger of squandering a good thing - clear the silly MU, and move on. Mine other romance novels on marriages of convenience and start a new plotline. Keeping it moving seems the key here. Use the ensemble and build some different points of interest. Anjali and Shyam seem to have sizzling chemistry - think out of the box and use it!


Maybe, just maybe there's some good stuff to salvage after all ---- hope springs eternal, no?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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To all my lovely friends .. thank you for taking the time to share your views ... I find a good rant is good fo rthe soul .. now that we've had our colonics we can hopefully enjoy the show a smidgen more 😃

I hope I get to reply all of you ... if I don't .. here's some virtual hugs to say sorry 🤗🤗🤗


Originally posted by: asha...

The cvs have proved us wrong before when they sidetracked...and if they do

again..I'll more than happily eat humble pie ...

Hi Ash ... save me slice! I have my fork and a scoop of ice cream at the ready .. now it's up to the CVs to serve it!

Originally posted by: Japonica



This is the problem with the show- no vision, worse still, no courage.

How many more rabba ve while walking away, staring away into infinity will we have to watch?

Normal beings, however anguished, will want to demand love, to show love, to ask and to explain, they wouldn't let their love go, everyone fights for love. What metal are these two made of or what metal are the bloody cvs made of?

Can't we have at least one or two jabber aways instead of these endless rabba ves? At least one jabber away every now and then would bring some sense to the show.

Japs ... I've taken the salient points from your lovely response .. you're correct .. surely they are stretching the artistic silence a tad too far ... they whole USP was ASR was larger than life but Khushi was your everyday girl next door ... but now neither characters ware relateable .. how can we as viewers connect to the show if we can't identify with any of the characters?

Originally posted by: .Mandy.

The CVs know how to do hate, we've seen what they are capable of. The problem is that things started off intense which grabbed the viewers attention but then quickly went downhill when the CVs incorporated other tracks, added loads of comedy and didn't focus enough on the MU.

Fortunately it seems the CVs are attempting to do damage control and are getting back on track. I actually like this latest track, it has potential to head in the right direction they just need to focus and stop with the comedy angle, that is what has worked against the show - comedy!

Mandy .. you visiting .. yayyy ... yes it's obvious that IPK is in triage mode ... and I think we all have high hopes for the GUpta visit ... there does seem to be some tightening of the scripting as well .. so all upo and up ... so is this the CVs road to redemption?

Originally posted by: frockstar

The cvs are trying a 'please all' attitude...
Throw in some comedy, romance, parampara and rasam, kitchen politics and a evil villain without thinking of how they gel together or the continuity of the story or the characterization of characters.

I fell sorry that such a promising story is now close to beyond redeemable.

... close ... hopefully still time until the Buaji sings? (sorry for the fat joke!) 😆


Originally posted by: Infofan

Is this your first thread Sam? Super post. You should write more often. The show started to loose its charm after La's exit for me. I feel there are several issues besides the lack of good script that affect quality of the show. These days, often I watch it online in one window while

I am doing some work on another window. I have no expectations from the CVs now. I dont know if at all the story can be salvaged and if the old magic can be recreated.

Hey Nandy, good to see you after interacting on LMs page :D ... yeh I don't tend to write often but thanks for appreciating my meagre effort ... to IPKs salvation I say .. hear! hear! ... alot of ppl have drawn a line in the sand with the ME on 28th Apr ... I hope the PH is aware on how monumentous that epi is in respect to losing or gaining viewership .. sink or swim time IPK!


Originally posted by: tangam


Umff factor is a missin and I think R and R is the priscription...but that is a luxery they cannot afford...
they seem to be in a dingy stuck in deep sea...calm sea so they go in circles...turbulance would have atleast thrown em under or to shore...

its a pity cos there was potential and a stellar cast...and even more stellar audience (I mean us)
what a waste if its all to go down the drain...

Hey Tangam ... hope you got some rest babe ... yes we need a storm ... a perfect storm ... whilst the comedy is less cringey and more haha .. the dirama is missing ... bring it!

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ttt1


Hey sam

very busy day at work wiII update soon agree agree agree , great topic

has any other show ever recovered from the jump? That is the same question i have been asking

I think i have said this a few 100 times by now, too much of scene space to the Ieads just for the sake of it without any story is doing more harm than good, the charm is getting Iost

speciaI mention sudha , where the heII is the viIIan!!!

Where is the story I hope aII of us are wrong and the cvs redeem them seIves and this mess of a story they have created!!!!

Hey Priya ...nose to the grindstone eh? boo! ... you know as yet nobody has come up with a solid example of a recovered from the brink show .. pity!

Originally posted by: LadyLaLa

Very well said...I am travelling currently so just caught up with this week's episodes only today... I am yet to see the one aired today ...

True, a flimsy MU was brought in to bring back the hate track... what the CVs forgot was that the leads were in the process of falling in love.. so the expectations were for this round of the hate track to receive a different treatment from the one aired in phase one... however what we saw was a mixture of comedy, blow hot, blow cold relationship, loss of memory and what more no sign of the MU getting cleared... I mean we are talking about a Harvard Grad who is still unable to understand the importance of communication and active listening.

I like the comedy track at least it helps when the going gets strenuous but come one whom are they kidding?... they have digressed from the main point which was the MU... it is like they want to touch on all the other aspects of their relationship but are not willing to have the leads discuss the MU...

What about the two sisters conversing? One would expect both sisters to discuss their relationship and gossip about their married lives but none of it is shown... What about Payal feeling bad whenever she sees Shyam and discussing about him with Khushi? wouldn't it be natural for the sisters to discuss their little "secret"

We are also lacking a parallel track which could ease the stress and work schedules of the lead stars... but what we get is not what we had bargained for... a kid saunters in to make Payal jealous?

Some feel that if the MU is cleared there is nothing much to the serial... I beg to differ... fans like me prefer quality as opposed to quantity...

I truly hope the lull is caused by the IPL fever... this means we will not see the MU clearing any time soon, at least not until end of may..

Hey Lavanya .. yes yes yes ... I think strategically some very bad decisions were made on the direction of the show ... now the it remains to be seen is what we're seeing a change in direction or a patch up job until a new decision is made?

If I ran my business the way this scripting is executed I'd be on the dole faster than you can say "What the" !


Originally posted by: ---Nisha---


You summed our feelings very well...this is what I have been saying for months now.
Forget true hatred that they claimed to show...they havent even shown true love. And that is what the problem is. You cannot have the depth of hatred without having experienced the heights of love. The problem is that these two only had passion to begin with...we saw a blossoming of love but we didnt see love thus we cannot see hatred now. You cant hate someone with all your will (all your energy) unless you havent loves them with all your might.
When I think of true hatred I think of Heathcliff...Hs hatred for Catherine part 2...for catherine's husband...so much so that he destroyed his own life in the process. All this he did for the hope of being near the one he loved. I know that this is not healthy...but I am saying this is what I had expected from the marriage track. Arnav's hatred battling with his love...his hatred overriding his love...Not mediocre comedy and below mediocre romance. If the CV's has shown them actually falling in love before the MU, then the MU and marriage track would have been much stronger...it would been filled with emotion...with betrayal not just from Arnav but from Khushi (because she will be lost that one day he loved her and the next he hated her )

Nisha .. esp @bold! lurve it! you've hit the nail .. before we could all invest oursleves in teh love ... bam! the rug is pulled out beneath our feet ... therein may well be the crux .. previously we all lapped up the lapses, the inane comedy etc ...


Originally posted by: Drwho


You have made the correct Diagnosis!!! It has jumped the shark. I am struggling to sustain my interest this week, mostly watch the recording in fast forward and it leaves an insipid taste in the mouth.

The writers/CVs/directors handled the love and passion reasonably well up until November/mid December, then started faltering.

They seem to be completely at a loss with the hate track, ended up with showing cruelty in the name of hate, which did not go down very well with the audience and they have now resorted to the half baked and inane acts of so called revenge which are neither passionate nor intense.

The reasons for this downslide, who knows, could be one of the writers left, we very well know one director has left, may be they did not have a strong story line to start with and are now themselves struggling to carry it forward. It also depends on who is the target audience and what one expects from a show, many people might be satisfied with the vacuous comedy track currently going on, but having got a taste of what the show was before, it is difficult to reconcile to the current state. Probably most Indian TV shows are like that, start with a bang and fizzle out at the end, but this seems to have happened rather quickly with IPK.

I imagine shows based on books or novels would probably fare better as the story is already there and you only need script and dialogues.

But this story did have potential, the two central characters' lives were shown to be quite passionately entwined and their relationship was expected to be volatile throughout their life, so why they are struggling to clear this MU I don't understand, even if they do clear this MU, there is plenty of opportunity for many more MUs given the personalities of the two leads.

Hey Manju ... I do ponder what the change was .. sheer curiosity because I can't imagine one day walking up and suddenly doing shittily at my job for no rhyme or reason .. and then plead ignorance and not address the issue when it's pointed out by third parties ... I mean forget us the IFers ... even the press have been up in arms...

... but sadly I think you big bang theory may be right .. almost every serial I've seen in teh last few years have all fizzled after the promising starts ... if it's such an obvious trend surely some exec somewhere should've noticed and asked for corrective action?

... and agree with @bold .. bravo!

Edited by Lurvebooks - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Lurvebooks

To all my lovely friends .. thank you for taking the time to share your views ... I find a good rant is good fo rthe soul .. now that we've had our colonics we can hopefully enjoy the show a smidgen more 😃

I hope I get to reply all of you ... if I don't .. here's some virtual hugs to say sorry 🤗🤗🤗


Hi Ash ... save me slice! I have my fork and a scoop of ice cream at the ready .. now it's up to the CVs to serve it!



Sure..sure, lets hope they serve with some choc sauce...chopped nuts...and strawberries...😉


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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: docgirl

Sam, terrific post and great discussion, ladies. In my view the term jumping the shark indicates a structural improbability of recovery --- it's a point from when we can only go downhill. The show that we started out watching and fell in love with certainly has gone downhill and I don't know that I see an easy way back.

I do wonder if the producers weren't caught in a trap of their own making - If in fact the inspiration for the story was the Urdu novel that resulted in the original concept of Didi ki Saut. That seemed like a dark story, one that seems like a misfit for a prime time 8p family entertainment spot. So they soften it and contemporize it, make it a desi M&B about the brute and the jhalli.
Don't they also paint themselves into a corner? They did well, as long as it was about electricity, awareness, attraction of opposites, gradual realization of love. But then you build up to ikraar. And then everything comes crashing down. They don't have a plan to delay that well enough that this can run for 500 episodes. Apparently that is the goal - not telling a good story. 😕
So how do you delay acknowledgement of love? errr... the wafer thin MU, the house of cards that is ready to collapse. If they don't wake up and smell the coffee they're in danger of squandering a good thing - clear the silly MU, and move on. Mine other romance novels on marriages of convenience and start a new plotline. Keeping it moving seems the key here. Use the ensemble and build some different points of interest. Anjali and Shyam seem to have sizzling chemistry - think out of the box and use it!
Maybe, just maybe there's some good stuff to salvage after all ---- hope springs eternal, no?

Hey Sheila ... you joined the par-tay! 🤗 .. loved what you wrote ... they sure have dug themselves into a hole ... but @bold amen! the road back maybe rocky ... but they must traverse it ... the TRPs will not hold at this rate
.. and you're spot on .. Abhaas and Daljeet have amazing chemistry .. at this rate I would even plump for Anjali turning negative ... anything to wade off these cobwebs ... otehrwise ... IPK will soon have empty seats at 8pm daily
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Originally posted by: evenjleena28

Hello Husband🤗,

How are you my sammy sam??? Well darling your post certainly says all that I have been feeling since the day this darned MU was created.
The thing is for any story to survive it has to have a strong plot. The MU would have worked brilliantly if Arnav/Khushi would have confessed their feelings but khushi refusing to divulge in her past and then arnav seeing the terrace scenario...the thing is it was based on unrequited love which just doesnt make any sense whatsoever. To say you loved the girl hence she should love you back is idiotic in my view. Yes Shyam is grade A jerk but that would mean to get back at him. Also the fact that he married her and brought in the house where another man lusts after her is plain stupid for a guy who is shown to be smart...
Now the thing is CV's have no clue how to clear the MU...they cant show the 6months in 6days and to clear the MU again another strong base needs to be shown and from what we know its all OTT behaviour...I agree the chemistry is fizzling because of overworked actors and weak story line...recipe for disaster...
I think when this show is almost in the bottom of TRP and SP then issues an ultimatum thats when this stupidest MU would be cleared but then WHO WILL BE WATCHING THIS SHOW???

Vibsss ... ya came!!! ... a big smothering 🤗 for my broken babe ... sending healing thoughts my dearest ❤️ ... missing you scamoodles (that's oodles with a smackeroo!) ..
I'm really desperately hoping ... the IPK team are the david to the SPs Goliath ... they surely have got themselves into a pickle ... hope to see some magic and they come back fighting ... but with every other epi I loose more hope ...
Colour me stupid ... but if there is a deep game afoot all leading to the big showdown ... i'm not seeing it ... and I religious read the symbolism posts ... but for every interpretation those lovely ladies put out ... the CVs turn around and dish up doo doo to negate it the very next day ...
@ bold - blue in face ... I think we've all surely become a notch dumber watching this show ... how else do we tolerate it ? ...
.. and you're right .. it's not just the end product ... but BS/SI seem to just go through the motions ... individually brilliant still but together .. there ain't no magic happenin'!
... who will be watching this show indeed ... *sigh*
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Great post and great discussion!

I agree completely... They made a colossal mistake with this MU!
But after today, I am hoping something will be salvageable! keeping my fingers crossed!

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