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Hi guys
So I've NOT replied that much to the threads about Kabeer's sudden "Tamasha" as I was going to write it only one time...so here is the information I found about everything and I'm confused tell ne guys after reading what do you think...
I'm at loss here...


First of all the "work related matter"

Alright so here Kabeer didn't want Zara to work outside with him,he wanted her to be at home.


Ok now there is something plz read it carefully

The basic principle is that a woman should remain at home, and not go out except for necessary purposes. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

"And stay in your houses, and do not display yourselves like that of the times of ignorance

[al-Ahzaab 33:33].

Although this is addressed to the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), it also applies to the believing women. It is only addressed to the wives of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) because of their honour and status with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and because they are examples for the believing women.

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Woman is awrah, and if she goes out, the shaytaan raises his hopes (of misguiding her). She is never closer to Allaah than when she stays in her house. Narrated by Ibn Hibbaan and Ibn Khuzaymah; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Shaheehah, no. 2688.

And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said concerning a woman's prayer in the mosque: "Their houses are better for them. Narrated by Abu Dawood (567) and classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Now it doesn't mean you can't work or something like that so read it now

It is permissible for a woman to go out of her house for work, but that is subject to certain conditions. If they are met, it is permissible for her to go out. They are:

- That she needs to work in order to acquire the money she needs, as in your case.

- The work should be suited to the nature of woman, such as medicine, nursing, teaching, sewing, and so on.

- The work should be in a place that is only for women, and there should be no mixing with non-mahram men.

- Whilst at work she should observe complete shar'i hijab.

- Her work should not lead to her travelling without a mahram.

- Her going out to work should not involve committing any haraam action, such as being alone with the driver, or wearing perfume where non-mahrams can smell it.

- That should not lead to her neglecting things that are more essential for her, such as looking after her house, husband and children.

Shaykh Muhammad ibn Saalih al-Uthaymeen said: The field in which a woman works should be only for women, such as if she works in teaching girls, whether in administration or technical support, or she works at home as a seamstress sewing clothes for women and so on. As for working in fields that are for men, this is not permissible for her because it requires her to mix with men, which is a great fitnah (source of temptation and trouble) and should be avoided. It should be noted that it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "I have not left behind me any fitnah that is more harmful to men than women; the fitnah of the Children of Israel had to do with women. So the man should keep his family away from places of fitnah and its causes in all circumstances. End quote.

Fataawa al-Mar'ah al-Muslimah (2/981)


Ok now I'm NOT commenting why who said what but this is what it says I wanna know what you guys think...



Now the parda and the whole head covering thing and Kabeer's behavior that day


Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 33 Surah Ahzaab verse 59:

O Prophet, enjoin your wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons. It is expected that they will thus be recognized, and not molested. Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 24 Surah Nur verse 31:

(O Prophet) enjoin the believing woman to restrain their gaze and guard their modesty, and not to display their adornment except that which is displayed of itself, and to draw their veils over their bosoms, and not to display their adornments except before their husbands,their fathers, .and also forbid them to stamp their feet on the ground lest their hidden ornaments should be displayed.


For now that's all I'm trying to find more

Till then plz tell what do you think?


And and and...don't bash it's what I found and I'm asking for views do tell


-Sahira



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Highly informative post.
must have taken lot of effort on your part to prepare this.
well done. 👏
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Originally posted by: SanayaK

Highly informative post.

must have taken lot of effort on your part to prepare this.
well done. 👏


Thank you sweetie😊
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thanks for the info along with proofs
Its so different from the views we have grown up with

I must send bhai loads of love for all the advise, self defence education and support when growing up


Edited by AnjuRish - 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnjuRish

Thanks for the info along with proofs

Its so different from the views we have grown up with

I must send bhai loads of love for all the advise, self defence education and support when growing up



Yeah right
I'm not saying that I was grown up with these rules but I'm an only child of my parents so I guess that's different
But it's written so there must be something,right?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Is it like an explanation for Kabir's actions or are you questioning Kabir's actions on the basis of these? 😕 I didn't get it.
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Originally posted by: MsChanadlerBong

Is it like an explanation for Kabir's actions or are you questioning Kabir's actions on the basis of these? 😕 I didn't get it.

I just don't get it
Usne jo bhi kia hay vo bebuniad nahi hay
I mean of course ajkl log nahi mante itna but there are rules
I'm just confused as the Qur'an is right it can't be wrong so there must be something wrong in us or I'm not understanding this
From the last few days everyone just said kabeer was this,kabeer was that so no guys of course he shouldn't have manhandled her but Zara IS at fault...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Well, I grew up in a liberal muslim family so I can't claim to be an expert but to the best of my knowledge Islam had clear division of responsibility assigned for men and women. The primary role of the man is to be the provider while the primary role of the woman is to be the homemaker. Both are expected to take care of each others happiness and keep each other content through fulfilling their primary responsibilities. Work in Islam is not seen as something being empowering and staying at home is not looked upon as disempowering. The sole purpose of working outside is to earn money and that is what the man is expected to do while the lady of the house is expected to oversee the smooth functioning of the house. There are strict guidelines as to how a wife is to be treated by her husband and how a husband is to be treated by his wife. According to religious leaders, Allah has done this to avoid conflict and ensure harmony among couples where neither one is more empowered than the other: they each have their roles to play in each other's lives and in society. However, in situation where a woman needs money, she can of course go out to earn a living. As I said, in Islam you only work to earn money, it has nothing to do with empowerment or identity.

Unfortunately, patriarchy and religion are very closely linked and like all other religion, Islam has been used to support values of the patriarchal society. The person who has the money is the decision-maker. Hence, husbands whose wives don't work think because they earn money, they can take all decisions by themselves or they have control over their wives. But in Islam a woman can actually ask for diborce if her husband fails to provide for her because the man is supposed to earn to run the family, not be control his family members. Interestingly, each penny the husband earns belongs to the wife but whatever asset the wife owns is not the husbands because it is not a woman's responsibility to provide financial support to the family, her property or money is for her to do as she pleases. Also, in Islam, a woman does not need to stay in a joint family: taking care of husband's parents or siblings is in no way the responsibility of the wife. Both are supposed to be respecful towards thier own and each other's parents, fulfill their responsibility towards their parents as they see fit but in-laws have no say in a couples life. Again, patriarchy has reinforced a woman to move in to her husband's home after marriage: Islam has nothing to do with it. After marriage, a couple is expected to have their own home and their separate responsibilities to fulfill in the smooth functioning of their home. They can both seek divorce if they do not get along together although Allah does not endorse divorce but it is recommended to being unpleasant to each other.

So yes, Kabeer is not wrong in expecting Zaara to stay at home because he believes her home is her responsibility but she has nothing to show to his mother or she has no responsibility to keep his mother happy, the way he had put it. Also, keeping Zaara happy is his responsibility just like keeping him happy is Zaara's, so if looked at it from that way, if working makes Zaara happy, as a man of Islam, he should let her work. His discussing his dream with Zaara,again,is something a muslim man is supposed to do. Our Prophet (SA) used to consult his wife Ayesha (RA) is all different kinds of matter. If Islam as outlined in marriage is strictly followed to the word, there would be no repression, no unfairness and no unhappiness in marriages between couples. However, men have interpreted it in their own ways, selected only what suits them and rejected what empowers a woman.

On a lighter note, Zaara's romantic fantasy regarding her husband?..lol..if Kabeer knew she wanted to sleep with him, as a muslim man, he would be required to fulfill her wish . Muslim man and woman are both responsible to keep their partners physically satisfied as Islam acknowledges it as one of the basic human needs. However, Islam forbids man to demand sex from his wife when he is angry because he may end up hurting her. Oh, how I wish muslim men followed Islam to the word and not as per their convenience
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Posted: 7 years ago
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^^^^
Yeah right
Kabeer is not wrong as he has a good post,his family is rich
They can provide for Zara
So she doesn't need to work especially with men so it's wrong of Zara no matter how modern we become it will remain wrong
On the other hand kabeer's behavior towards Zara is wrong
He has to talk to her with respect and equally
He has to discuss things with her


And as for the Sex

Yeah itna moulvi banta hay it's his duty to fulfil her wish so if he comes to know he has to do it😆

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