Gandhari: An admirable character or not - Page 2

I am a great admirer of Vidur. But I have a question for you. If the discussion goes long, it can be shifted to doubts & discussions thread otherwise it is just a small piece of query generated wrt your last sentence. How far Vidur's demand upon Duryodhan's (Suyodhan's) birth justifiable when he was just an innocent infant???!!!!!! His same demand after he becoming major and doing his first crime would have been fine and in fact the appropriate. But abandoning just a baby only on the basis of omens!!!!?? He was specialist in niti and shaastras. What exactly could be the rule in shaastra and its essence here?

Well, the Duryodhan thread was hijacked by Ashwathama, so it's only fitting that this one be hijacked by Duryodhan. Not only did he try to usurp the throne, he's now usurping threads here 😈🤣

Here is what Vidura asked of Dhritarashtra:

As soon as these words were spoken, O Bharata, jackals and other carnivorous animals began to howl ominously And marking those frightful omens all around, the assembled Brahmanas and the wise Vidura replied, 'O king, O bull among men, when these frightful omens are noticeable at the birth of thy eldest son, it is evident that he shall be the exterminator of thy race. The prosperity of all dependeth on his abandonment. Calamity there must be in keeping him. O king, if thou abandonest him, there remain yet thy nine and ninety sons. If thou desirest the good of thy race, abandon him, O Bharata! O king, do good to the world and thy own race by casting off this one child of thine. It hath been said that an individual should be cast off for the sake of the family; that a family should be cast off for the sake of a village; that a village may be abandoned for the sake of the whole country; and that the earth itself may be abandoned for the sake of the soul.' When Vidura and those Brahmanas had stated so, king Dhritarashtra out of affection for his son had not the heart to follow that advice.

I used to think that Vidura recommended that Duryodhan be killed, but the above reading simply states that he be abandoned. And here, Dhritarashtra wouldn't have had to do what Kunti did, since no secrecy would have been needed - he could have taken Duryodhan to an ashram and adopted him out to a rishi, not put him in a basket and float him down the Yamuna.

I know that it's superstitious to accept such signs and act on their basis, but in these stories, they all happened to be premonitions of what would follow. I agree w/ Vidura on this one on the grounds that after waiting for Duryodhan to grow up, disowning him after some evil acts would have been a lot more difficult, since his 99 brothers and parents would have been far more attached to him after raising him for all those years. Also, giving him away wouldn't have hurt much, since there would still be the other 99 sons of Gandhari, and all those plus Yuyutsu for Dhritarashtra.

The shastric basis on which he proposed this is given in saffron above, and was also shown in DBSK last night. Essentially, it's the greater good argument.

Lol. Certainly hijacked by Duryodhan but abandoning him is related to Gandhari's state of mind too so we can have that consolation with ourselves that we haven't deviated from main topic by much.😆 Perfect reply. Satisfactory. Yeah I too was of the impression of suggestion of killing (don't remember the exact dialog of BRC's Virendra Razdan). The argument of greater good was clear even before asking query but Omen point was disturbing. They are of course part of our epics so I don't totally consider them superstitious. They are indicators of future as long as you can catch up or understand the signal behind them (and don't blindly follow them with your parent ego closing the logic and adult ego completely in all situations by hurting someone just because your forefathers told that) and cosmic science behind them of animal's sixth sense. But still even after getting the indication about the future rightly with expertise, one can not resort to an act which should not be done to avoid one's ill fate of future. The course of actions of remedy should still be rightful. So I asked the question. But ABANDONING action still makes it a bit relaxing solution. It is not as bad as the former impression was. I had read the word FORSAKE in your previous post but still asked to confirm everything.

Was Gandhari good or bad. Was she pure hearted as dipicted in BRC's Mahabharat or was she evil like her brother?

^^^ Read Shivang's first post @ the top of this page - that'll tell you. It's how Gandhari reacted when she heard of Yudhisthir's birth

Hmmm she wanted her son to be the king, like any mother would. But was she an evil plotter like her brother?. Did she have a hand in spoiling Duryodhan's character?

Ummm... put yourself in her place. Your devrani/jethani has just 'beaten' you to it when giving birth, ensuring that her son is the first in line to succession. Is your maternal instinct then to do yourself bodily harm and expel your fetus, thereby causing it to be stillborn? Even granting for her royal ambitions, her reaction made no sense. This one thing was enough to convince me that she's evil - maybe not as evil as DSD, but still evil.

Even in BRC's mahabharat it was shown that she was sad at yudhishtir's birth. She even told Kunti si. And she was also sad when Duryodhan could not become the crown prince. I liked the ctress who played Gandhari in Mahabharat, The most well dressed female in the lot

Draupadi had only three outfits😆

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Shivang

Are you watching DBSK?

A kind of fanfic I am writing to clarify my stance/interpretation of Gandhari's character:

Imaginary dialog between Krishna/Vishnu/Shiv with Gandhari before her birth as Gandhari (Like Draupadi asking for boon of husband with 5 different abilities from Shiv):

God: You are my great devotee. I have a mission for you. You are supposed to do a job of playing an important role in my grand play of Dwapar end.

Gandhari: That's my great honour my Lord. Order me what I am supposed to do. I will take birth on earth in Dwapar as per your command or will.

God: I am very pleased with you. You decide what kind of role you want to play. What is your wish.

Gandhari: Whatever role I have to play, I want to be devotee of your form and want to be a great tapasvini.😍

God: So be it.😊 I am very pleased with your wish ❤️ 🤗 and still want to fulfill your further desires. Ask them.

Gandhari: If you are so pleased with me then I am sure that you will fulfill all my desires.❤️ I would love to become queen of a huge kingdom on the earth with fortune of husband alive till the end of my life. 😍

God: Are you sure? Anything else?

Gandhari: My son should become the icon of dharma. Most virtuous and ruler of all rulers performing all sacrifices.😍

God: That will also be the case but he will not be your real direct son. He will call you and believe you to be one of his mothers.

Gandhari: But I want him to be my own son only. Taking birth from my own womb.

God: Fine. But then you will be queen only for a short while and you also can not get the fortune of your husband alive for long. Do you want to take back your earlier wish?

Gandhari: Hmmm. The first one is better. Will my sons not be virtuous? Will not anyone be king?

God: What do you want exactly? Do you want him to become king or virtuous? If he will be virtuous then he will not be king because then his elder will be king being more deserving and you will have to be born as a Vaishya woman and your son will be trainer of king's grandson successor and you also will not be chief queen not being a kshatriya princess before marriage. Otherwise if you want to be chief queen, and he will be king; he will become one by doing all sorts of conspiracies and will not properly be punished but spoiled on the wrong path.

Gandhari: 😕 You are putting forward very tough choices in front of me. Okk. Being queen and kshatriya woman are my first preferences. Will my son become king then?

God: Yes but as I said, he will not be virtuous. And eventually your other son calling you mother will rule the earth and you will be honoured as queen forever by him.

Gandhari: Alright. Then what else can I expect?😳 Let my son then not be born from my own womb if I am honoured by him that way in the end. Will he also take care of my own son?

God: He will try his best but will lack support from the other end. In fact, he getting the position of throne finally forever will not be possible without your son's death.🤢

Gandhari: Is it so?😲 😭 I will then try my best to protect my son from all the troubles in his life. I will try to save him against all the illnesses and will also wish that he becomes virtuous. Whom will you support? Will you be on the other son's side or my own son?

God: Wherever I take side, victory always follows.👍🏼 🥳 And I take side of virtue only as you know, 🤗 whenever I incarnate on the earth.😎

Gandhari: Can you not make my son virtuous and change the course of events if you will be there as human incarnated on the earth?😲😕

God: I can but then the entire plot has no meaning. Don't worry. Your son will die a brave death of Kshatriya while fighting and will go to heaven. Then according to his original nature of being, will spread his nature in the next era in each & every individual by taking shelter in Gold. If I make your son virtuous, there will not be any distinction to show between good and evil and to show that truth always wins.⭐️ Lack of light is darkness.😈 If light is everywhere, nobody can know what darkness is and how light can destroy it.🤢 There is existence of Satva, Rajas, Tamas 3 gunas in the universe and should and would always remain. If you will be broadminded and will consider others' son also to be your son only with equality leaving attachments and envy and possessiveness aside, like a queen should do, you will find all your desires actually fulfilled in a way. That will happen over time by realization and knowledge naturally. If you still want your own son only to be virtuous, you will have to select the alternative scenario by letting earlier wishes go. Everything is not possible. Your wishes should be according to the plans of destiny and rules on the earth. Choices I have given. You decide what exactly you want carefully before you realize it later. Whatever exactly you want, I will give it to you.

Gandhari: 😔 It's okk. I have to follow your command anyhow. I will adjust and will reconsider the ruler emperor to be my own son only eventually in that case. 😳 But that's not fair.🥺 You are not keeping your promise that you will fulfill my desires.😡 Then why did you tell me that you were pleased and I should ask boon?😒 No problem. You see you are also going to incarnate so you should get in return from me what you give me. I will use the fruits of all my austerities completely on you.👍🏼 You will have to absorb all of them.❤️ Then I will be satisfied and pacified. You are fulfilling all my wishes but in twisted ways. You force me to believe someone to be my son who is not my son. You want me to see destruction of my son in front of my eyes. It will be appropriate if you also feel the same situation so as to feel compassionate with your devotee.😃😉

God: 😊 😃 😆Alright. So your all preferred choices will be granted. But after this moment, you will forget whatever we have interacted just now. You will realize exactly what you want and what you can get in the natural process of psychological journey of human birth. Play your part in the play with great involvement and complexities such that you totally forget your true self. Give your best and then return. All the best for contributing to the mission. 👍🏼