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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: crazygul

thanks a lott radhika rani di for solving my query ! Ram ji never demanded agni pariksha. it was agni parvesh. seeta ji unable to bear harsh words decided to took agni pravesh and then gods came and testified seeta ji innocence. why seeta ji didn't take Ram ji name ?? why husband names can't be taken by wife in Indian mythology.


I'm talking about the second one. 😊
There is no such rule in pure mythology. That's a bad convention developed during the medieval times to suppress women. 😳
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Posted: 8 years ago
people generally take first agni pravesh as agni prakisha like sita ney toh agni pariksha de di thi par Ram ney unko chodh diya. its hurts me a lott. if Ram ji didn;t find her chaste then why they were to become parents ??
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Posted: 8 years ago
We can't really help people thinking like that, can we? The least we could do is to just know, and believe in the truth.

Like, basically the entire Ramayan acts as a kind of rule-book from which you easily get solutions for most of your daily problems. It's not like Raamji bhagwan hai toh itna bura behave kiya kyun, etc etc.

For the first Agni-pariksha, or Agni-pravesh, as you rightly pointed out, Ramji did not doubt Seeta, he just removed the doubt from others' minds.

Though, we see a more human side of Raam, in Uttar Kand. It is as if Valmiki, through Raam is pinpointing a man's mistakes, and criticizing humankind for the same through Seeta, Luv-Kush and himself.
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Posted: 8 years ago
my next question is why Sita mata ji is shown on sitting on Left thigh of Lord Rama ??
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Posted: 8 years ago

Originally posted by: crazygul

my next question is why Sita mata ji is shown on sitting on Left thigh of Lord Rama ??

Sita is Rama's heart. And His heart is to His left side. Thus, Sita is always seen to Rama's left.
However, if it is Vishnu alone, then Lakshmi is seen to His left. If it is Vishnu with Shri and Bhu, Shri is to the right, and Bhu to the left, indicating that He has two herts for them. Now, people show Him with three, to show Shri, Bhu and Nila.
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Posted: 8 years ago
Mohabbat Mein Aurat Se Koi Jeeta Nahi Hai Aur Nafrat Mein Aurat Ko Koi Hara Nahi Saka
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Posted: 7 years ago
A question popped up in my mind this morning -
Considering both Sita and Draupadi were both born to bring about the destruction of evil, why is it that Sita was born as a baby but Draupadi was born as a grown woman (if that is the best way to put it)?

Why is it that Sita actually had a proper childhood but Draupadi seemingly never did?

I know this sounds like an unusual question but it has left me wondering to a great deal.
Would Draupadi's personality have turned out differently if she had been born as a baby and got influenced by social morals and codes while growing up? Personally speaking, I don't think so. I mean, Sita had a proper childhood and had to deal with Ravana and raise her kids by herself - which requires a great deal of inner strength and conviction.

Be it Draupadi or Sita, both had to go through their own struggles and dealt with life's challenges with immense bravery and fortitude.

But Sita with a childhood and Draupadi without a childhood - how do you think it reflects in their respective personalities?

Or do you think it was necessary for Draupadi to not have a proper childhood considering her own challenges were quite unique, and quite unlike anything that anyone might've faced?

What I'm asking is - If Draupadi had been born as a baby and had a proper childhood, would the influence of "Dwapar yuga social morals" while growing up have affected her personality in a big way? If yes, how? If not, then why is it that Vyasa thought it better to not let Draupadi have a childhood?
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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: lexy_rix

A question popped up in my mind this morning -

Considering both Sita and Draupadi were both born to bring about the destruction of evil, why is it that Sita was born as a baby but Draupadi was born as a grown woman (if that is the best way to put it)?

Why is it that Sita actually had a proper childhood but Draupadi seemingly never did?

I know this sounds like an unusual question but it has left me wondering to a great deal.
Would Draupadi's personality have turned out differently if she had been born as a baby and got influenced by social morals and codes while growing up? Personally speaking, I don't think so. I mean, Sita had a proper childhood and had to deal with Ravana and raise her kids by herself - which requires a great deal of inner strength and conviction.

Be it Draupadi or Sita, both had to go through their own struggles and dealt with life's challenges with immense bravery and fortitude.

But Sita with a childhood and Draupadi without a childhood - how do you think it reflects in their respective personalities?

Or do you think it was necessary for Draupadi to not have a proper childhood considering her own challenges were quite unique, and quite unlike anything that anyone might've faced?

What I'm asking is - If Draupadi had been born as a baby and had a proper childhood, would the influence of "Dwapar yuga social morals" while growing up have affected her personality in a big way? If yes, how? If not, then why is it that Vyasa thought it better to not let Draupadi have a childhood?



I doubt if it had anything to do with having a childhood. It was more of her upbringing that caused her to be who she was.

Drupad was vengeful and most probably didn't bother about raising kids the proper way. Drishtadyumna was as vengeful as Drupada, Shikandi and Draupadi were not raised in the usual way either. Draupadi was probably more bold because she was meant/raised to be so.

A serial I saw sometime back showed a story I had never encountered before - not sure where it came from. Drupad, mad with a desire for revenge after being humiliated by Drona asked was thirsting to get back at his old friend. His wife (and brother) tried to dissuade him and in the end his wife said she would not like to partake in his madness. In his anger, he decided and declared that she will not be giving birth to his children and not partake in that yaga to beget the kids he wanted. While performing the yaga to obtain a son who can kill Drona and a daughter who can marry Arjuna, he told the sages that he didn't want his wife to give birth to his children and hence the sages after reprimanding him for not informing them earlier, increased the severity of the penance and thus Drishtadymna and Draupadi were born fully grown from the sacrificial fire.

Well, this story also said that he wanted Draupadi to marry Arjuna while I think the original story was Drupad wanting someone equal to Arjuna to be his son in law.

Regardless, I think princesses were well educated during Tretha and Dwapar Yuga to encounter all sorts of possibilities. Its probably the age that made the difference. Women of Tretha Yuga were more submissive and docile(?) than those of the Dwapar Yuga. We had a lot of brave princesses who did things on their own - Draupadi, Chitrangada, Uloopi, Shubadra, Shikandi, Sathyavathi and the list can go on...

I think that even if Draupadi was born as a baby, she would have turned out to be the same. I read somewhere that she wasn't meant to destroy the Kuru lineage and hence she was begot as an adult, brought to life without a childhood so that she wouldn't know how to nurture and raise the next generation. But I think she managed her household splendidly well despite having to deal with more than what women of her age went through.
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Posted: 7 years ago
Here's something interesting...
The concept of "Nathabati Anathbat" (Five Lords, No Protector) is NOT a dramatized distorted depiction of Draupadi's plight in the dice hall. The epic itself mentions it in passing when Draupadi narrates her plight to Krishna -

"'Saying this the mild-speeched Krishna hid her face with her soft hands like the buds of lotus, and began to weep. And the tears of Panchali begot of grief washed her deep, plump and graceful breasts crowned with auspicious marks. And wiping her eyes and sighing frequently she said these words angrily and in a choked voice, 'Husbands, or sons, or friends, or brothers, or father, have I none! Nor have I thee, O thou slayer of Madhu, for ye all, beholding me treated so cruelly by inferior foes, sit still unmoved! My grief at Karna's ridicule is incapable of being assuaged! On these grounds I deserve to be ever protected by thee, O Kesava, viz., our relationship, thy respect (for me), our friendship, and thy lordship (over me)"

(Translated in Hindi, it would mean - "Mere na pati hain, na putra, na mitra, na bhai, na pita")

Of course, it does not sound as dramatic as the visualization of the concept itself (one of the televised adaptations actually showed her temporarily disowning her husbands post-vastraharan).

I agree it could also be explained as her words coming out in anger and pain considering she even tells Krishna "Nor have I thee, O slayer of Madhu".

But, it is clear that the aftermath of the dice game and the start of the exile wasn't so pleasant with regards to the Pandava-Panchali equation - considering she actually says that she has no husbands (even if uttered in rage and pain).

And significantly, it is the very first thing she mentions before all other relations.
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Posted: 4 years ago

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