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Posted: 12 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: Pari117

yes di true i know we cant argue till story unfolds as walden wrote!! our all assumptions are based on some articles so lets see how writer decides to justify things, but yes i too dont want indira to be loved just for a baby, dats true
P.S. I loved your pic :) silhouette mesmerizes me!!


Yes isn't it nice. It was valentines day and seeing a lot of love stories on TV, i got into the mood, typed love on google images and i found this one. 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
#12

Originally posted by: Pari117

yes di true i know we cant argue till story unfolds as walden wrote!! our all assumptions are based on some articles so lets see how writer decides to justify things, but yes i too dont want indira to be loved just for a baby, dats true
P.S. I loved your pic :) silhouette mesmerizes me!!

You're right Pari...let's wait and see what they show. But they have already show a track with surrogacy and it was very poorly handled. The only thing that was accurate in that track was Rishi asking Shweta to sign the contract relinquishing all rights on the baby because that is how it should be. The way they showed Shweta after the baby's birth was completely inappropriate...surrogates should never think of the baby as their own (but obviously after she took care of Indu for all those years, she did become her mother). What was more saddening was that Shweta was a doctor.
And I actually came across something really interesting on Wikipedia...apparently, they have done studies where they have shown that it is possible for the surrogates to not become attached to the baby they're carrying and surrogates don't report being sad after they give up the baby. Quite interesting.
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Posted: 12 years ago
#13

Originally posted by: Walden

You're right Pari...let's wait and see what they show. But they have already show a track with surrogacy and it was very poorly handled. The only thing that was accurate in that track was Rishi asking Shweta to sign the contract relinquishing all rights on the baby because that is how it should be. The way they showed Shweta after the baby's birth was completely inappropriate...surrogates should never think of the baby as their own (but obviously after she took care of Indu for all those years, she did become her mother). What was more saddening was that Shweta was a doctor.
And I actually came across something really interesting on Wikipedia...apparently, they have done studies where they have shown that it is possible for the surrogates to not become attached to the baby they're carrying and surrogates don't report being sad after they give up the baby. Quite interesting.

yes surrogates are not attached to the child they give birth to, but it cant be denied that sometimes ladiesmight develop soft corner for that child, being mother this feeling only is heavenly, and sometimes even if the ladies are paid for it, still they might have an attachment with the child!! i dont remember exactly but i saw the same in chori chori chupke chupke movie starring preeti and rani... where preeti was just a surrogate mother yet she developed love for the baby, though she gave the baby back to rani so we cant say surrogates cant have any feelings for the baby but thing is that they must stand firm over commitment they make. And about shweta she signed those papers yet she forgot the promises!! that was really unacceptable
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Pari, I partly agree to what you stated. Yes, human emotions cannot always be controlled to that extent and like I said, having never personally spoken to a surrogate, I can't comment on what the experience is like...anyway, I'm going to quote what I found on the wiki page..
credit: Wikipedia topic on surrogacy

"A study by the Family and Child Psychology Research Centre at City University, London, UK in 2002 concluded that surrogate mothers rarely had difficulty relinquishing rights to a surrogate child and that the intended mothers showed greater warmth to the child than mothers conceiving naturally.[11]

Anthropological studies of surrogates have shown that surrogates engage in various distancing techniques throughout the surrogate pregnancy so as to ensure that they do not become emotionally attached to the baby.[12][13] Many surrogates intentionally try to foster the development of emotional attachment between the intended mother and the surrogate child.[14]

Surrogates are generally encouraged by the agency they go through to become emotionally detached from the fetus prior to giving birth.[15]

Instead of the popular expectation that surrogates feel traumatized after relinquishment, an overwhelming majority describe feeling empowered by their surrogacy experience.[13][16]

A 2011 study from the Centre for Family Research at the University of Cambridge found that surrogacy does not have a negative impact on the surrogate's own children.[17]"

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Walden

Pari, I partly agree to what you stated. Yes, human emotions cannot always be controlled to that extent and like I said, having never personally spoken to a surrogate, I can't comment on what the experience is like...anyway, I'm going to quote what I found on the wiki page..

credit: Wikipedia topic on surrogacy

"A study by the Family and Child Psychology Research Centre at City University, London, UK in 2002 concluded that surrogate mothers rarely had difficulty relinquishing rights to a surrogate child and that the intended mothers showed greater warmth to the child than mothers conceiving naturally.[11]

Anthropological studies of surrogates have shown that surrogates engage in various distancing techniques throughout the surrogate pregnancy so as to ensure that they do not become emotionally attached to the baby.[12][13] Many surrogates intentionally try to foster the development of emotional attachment between the intended mother and the surrogate child.[14]

Surrogates are generally encouraged by the agency they go through to become emotionally detached from the fetus prior to giving birth.[15]

Instead of the popular expectation that surrogates feel traumatized after relinquishment, an overwhelming majority describe feeling empowered by their surrogacy experience.[13][16]

A 2011 study from the Centre for Family Research at the University of Cambridge found that surrogacy does not have a negative impact on the surrogate's own children.[17]"

OMG they intentionally try to foster the development of emotional attachment between the intended mother and the surrogate child. :) its really informative thanks for the extract :))
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dia, Logic in HD?? Are you out of your mind! If you provide these logical info to HD writer they will not be able to maintain storyline!!! NO HD writers illogical storyline, NO TRPs NO HD , no Illogical forum !!!So no logical story is the best approach!!! Thanks for your affords!!
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pari117

Thats a Genuine and very Logical post dia. I am missing Heema di the most, we three including me you and heema di, missing those discussions. Its always a treat reading u all <3

well i wont deviate from the topic , as u mentioned about HD
It has always pivoted on a theme and thats the reason it is loved and appreciated by us, but coming on to some tracks of HD, then i found it miles apart from reality.

Like current track makes me feel as of old times when gents exploited ladies just for babies, its fine if saheb loves him presently but the reason was getting a baby!! and science has advanced a lot recently as u mentioned its not necessary to get intimate for a baby, but HD will definately prove itself an 80s movie, where ladies are used as an instrument. Yes i cant complain if they fall for each other, thats their mutual choice, but making infertility of his first wife a reason to get intimate to other lady is not acceptable to me. Woman is not so weak now to be used as an object to fulfill needs.
I want to request HD if you cant stick to ur theme then please dont deteriorate the meaning of
"Pride of being a Woman"

Hi Pari, I have not seen episodes or read the article. I just want to respond the bold . I hope they keep my dignity as a female and PLESE do not make me baby providing machine !!! Nothing wrong falling in love second time but to use someone to have a baby will be wrong . I needs to catch up but I Hope as you said they keep " pride of being a Woman"
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heema22

Dia, Logic in HD?? Are you out of your mind! If you provide these logical info to HD writer they will not be able to maintain storyline!!! NO HD writers illogical storyline, NO TRPs NO HD , no Illogical forum !!!So no logical story is the best approach!!! Thanks for your affords!!

Heema 🤗 I had gone into Heema withdrawal for a while there (Pari too!!). So nice to have to back. Yes, yes...I know HD will be completely illogical...thats why I thought I should make this post, for people who many not be familiar of how infertility/surrogacy are handled in "real life." Please don't disappear this time😊
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Walden

Heema 🤗 I had gone into Heema withdrawal for a while there (Pari too!!). So nice to have to back. Yes, yes...I know HD will be completely illogical...thats why I thought I should make this post, for people who many not be familiar of how infertility/surrogacy are handled in "real life." Please don't disappear this time😊

Some people were very happy !!! No such luck!! I am here to stay!! My friend Mehnaz used to say " duty calls" I will be back in full force!! I missed you all. Tonight I am watching HD and playing " chatch up" I read forum and I am shocked. Hope People stop talking about " mentality" it hurts!!! So I am here to stay!!!🤗
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You all!!!
Edited by Heema22 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Heema22

Hi Pari, I have not seen episodes or read the article. I just want to respond the bold . I hope they keep my dignity as a female and PLESE do not make me baby providing machine !!! Nothing wrong falling in love second time but to use someone to have a baby will be wrong . I needs to catch up but I Hope as you said they keep " pride of being a Woman"

Heema and Pari, again without knowing or speculating about what they are going to show, with the advent of these modern advances which make IVF, egg/sperm donation, and surrogacy possible, one has to wonder if this is all okay or is a means of exploiting people, especially people who are financially struggling. Kinda similar to organ donation- I think many poor people in India sell their organs for financial compensation. Is being a surrogate for a fee the same thing? I don't know. But I do agree with you that, in my opinion, marrying a second time to have children is basically saying that your wife's primary role is to give you kids. And the women to ask their husbands to marry for children are just as wrong. I wonder what happens if the man is the one who is infertile. Are women allowed to have a second husband in those cases?

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