HP Quiz -This isn't MAGIC, it's LOGIC ;) -Season 2 - Page 11

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Lumos


dont agree...
u are forgetting that the patronus was ALREADY cast before the duo time-travelled!

Also, han that buckbeak thing reminds me..
dumbly said two lives can be saved..buckbeak n sirius.
well now here again, as dumbly had said, "no magic can awaken the dead, harry".. so if BB was already killed how can the duo change it? on the other hand, if BB wasnt killed, then what was the whole point of time-travelling and why did dumbly say that more than one life can be saved??

its too all too contradicting hermy!!!


The Patronus was cast BECAUSE the duo time-traveled...only in the first case we see it from "Pre- time-travel Harry's" POV and later we see it from "Post-time-travel Harry's" POV. The time is the same. The duo were in both places at the same time...so there is no after or before.
As for Buckbeak, Dumbledore already knew that Harry and Hermione had freed him, being the all-knowing genius that he was. (I know this is not explicitly mentioned in the book, but it's the most probable reason). And even if he did not know that before, then maybe when he was trying to figure out a way of saving Sirius, he remembered what happened in and around Hagrid's hut and he realized the TT that Hermione had would be the best possible solution. Hence, he suggested it, as he was the only one besides Hagrid, Fudge and McNair who knew about Buckbeak's disappearance.

Ab isse zyaada main kya bol sakti hoon?😊
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

@avani chal batti hogayi😆

@Al @avani you are partially right...😊

cos i forgot in urgency to inform that they are 2 things...
and al got one right...

its not sorcerer's stone...nor elder wand ...and nor mirror of erised...


Wow...I was right. 😃 Though partially! 😆

Two things huh...Then is the other object 'The Resurrection Stone'? 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
@ani and @al...errr guys please don't quote more than 2 times dears..it will make this thread messy and mods might come here ..:(

@al its not the stone...😳
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Posted: 12 years ago
WELCOME BACK LAKSH MISSED YOU!!! 🤗🤗
Hope all is well now. 😃
Sorry guys was away for a while had to study.

Awesome riddle Laksh and Alyesha and Avani have already cracked the first part nice.
Is it the book where Hermione found the 'Polyjuice Potion' i don't know the name. 🤔.
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Cutecj

WELCOME BACK LAKSH MISSED YOU!!! 🤗🤗

Hope all is well now. 😃
Sorry guys was away for a while had to study.

Awesome riddle Laksh and Alyesha and Avani have already cracked the first part nice.
Is it the book where Hermione found the 'Polyjuice Potion' i don't know the name. 🤔.

well yes it is!!!👏
but i need the name😡😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
Laksh...you're right...sorry (about the quoting part) 😳. Got a bit carried away. By the way...whats your take on it? The TT thing...since you're the queen of analysis and all. 😉

Also...about the riddle. It's Moste Potente Potions, right! But when was it hidden? 😕
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Posted: 12 years ago
@al its IS that book...but it is only for the LINE "was of good use" and Hermy (wise) only thought of using it..

and i will "analyse" it tomorrow morning first thing
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Posted: 12 years ago
Hermy,
No offense meant but your explanations look good in the literary sense of the word, but as far as logic goes, its got absolutely no merit. Surely JKR's logical logicless charm works on diehard loyal readers!
Look folks, time is like a flowing river. Theres going to be a source, and an end. There will be a past, and future. You cannot live future in the present! Past and future cannot simultaneously exist as that would mean time is stagnant!!
if TT had so much merit, then a single man could have formed an invincible army! You dont look conviced, huh? Okay forget everything..answer just this-

You said TT makes one present at two places at the same time. Fine. Now pls read the below illustration-
hermione on her timetable has herbology and transfiguration from 9AM to 11AM. The real hermione attends herbology.
At 11.15 she turns back the chimes to return at 9 to attend transfiguration. Now after an hour she meets with an accident in class and dies.

Now interpretations following your two places at one time funda(u will have a good laugh..lol..read on)-

1) If you argue that one cannot die while time traveling, it would mean that your time-traveling self becomes invincible. So it would also mean duplicating one's soul?

2) On the contrary, if you agree that she died, then who was the one who lived from 10am to 11.15 in herbology class??
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: lakshmi_3004

@al its IS that book...but it is only for the LINE "was of good use" and Hermy (wise) only thought of using it..


and i will "analyse" ittomorrowmorning first thing

yeah nice riddle! :)
waiting for it laks! 😆 my get-no-berserk-vati aashirvaad !! 🤣[ BR]
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Lumos

Hermy,
No offense meant but your explanations look good in the literary sense of the word, but as far as logic goes, its got absolutely no merit. Surely JKR's logical logicless charm works on diehard loyal readers!
Look folks, time is like a flowing river. Theres going to be a source, and an end. There will be a past, and future. You cannot live future in the present! Past and future cannot simultaneously exist as that would mean time is stagnant!!
if TT had so much merit, then a single man could have formed an invincible army! You dont look conviced, huh? Okay forget everything..answer just this-

You said TT makes one present at two places at the same time. Fine. Now pls read the below illustration-
hermione on her timetable has herbology and transfiguration from 9AM to 11AM. The real hermione attends herbology.
At 11.15 she turns back the chimes to return at 9 to attend transfiguration. Now after an hour she meets with an accident in class and dies.

Now interpretations following your two places at one time funda(u will have a good laugh..lol..read on)-

1) If you argue that one cannot die while time traveling, it would mean that your time-traveling self becomes invincible. So it would also mean duplicating one's soul?

2) On the contrary, if you agree that she died, then who was the one who lived from 10am to 11.15 in herbology class??



Hmmm...where do I start...right, first lets clear this out. You call me Hermy, then you tell me not to take offence...and then you suggest I DIE!!!😲
😆 Ok ok...jokes apart, I NEVER said it's logical 😕...in fact, it's completely illogical and that's why I kept stating so many times that given that it's fiction, and more importantly involving magic, anything is possible in such a world. It's all imagination.

And about your fatally interesting example😉, (no I'm not laughing because it's actually quite interesting)...let's see, going by JK's theory I would say she dies 3hrs15mins after Herbology began. So she isn't invincible and nor is she dead before-hand. I know this is hard to comprehend but I guess it's mostly because, 'Time' is such a common phenomenon for us, that when it comes to any fictional theories regarding the same, our base foundations of the concept will not let us fully accept the imaginary. With other things in JKR's world it's taken for granted because we have never really dealt with those in our own way...no one's ever used a wand or seen a giant for real or turned into the exact physical appearance of another, but we always have heard fairytales and stories concerning the same. So we accept that as possible in the magic world. 😊

And this is not directly related to the topic on hand but on a sidenote, I've always thought about this, I feel that by using the TT Hermione actually aged more... don't you think? Given that she used it for almost a year and assuming she turned back time for approx10 hours/day during the weekdays and 2hours/day on weekends i.e. (50+4=54hrs/week) * approx 4 weeks/month makes it 216 hours/month and assuming she used it for nine months of school, she had 216*9 = 1944 hours more to her life than the others. This means, going as per the 24hrs for a day, she actually lived for 81 or so more days than what she would have sans the TT.

Anyway, to conclude, I'm not saying that it's possible to actually be in 2 places at once...it's just that the TT would help one do so provided they lived in the Wizarding World or provided that such a world existed. 😳
Edited by Mione - 12 years ago

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