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Posted: 16 years ago
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hmmm avada kedavra is the easiest n i go wid cruciatus coz its damn painful
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Posted: 16 years ago
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the Cruciatus Curse! thts physical! the Imperius is nt tht bad because it only controls your mind! it cn be horrible though because thy cn mke you do anything, bt Avada Kedavra is the most humane! bt deadly! thts wt killed his parents and cedric!😭
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Well i think Imperius curse!!
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Torture to Insanity is what was done using cruciatus curse.

I do see Lalitha's point of 'absolute no control over self' , but cruciatus curse is more than physical pain, it is torture and the victim being aware of it while the caster for the lack of a better word inflicts it with a desire to enjoy or for more sinister purposes cause the pain to the other. Imperius curse has been used as an excuse by many for their misdeeds , unlike the other two unforgivable curses...although it is loss of control on self, the aftermath being equally burdening, but the mental damage that the cruciatus curse inflicts is unnerving... watching someone pain can drive many insane, and experiencing it oneself is for me a very evil and far fetched at that and certainly unforgivable... like torturing a hapless animal...

Avada kedavra seems a quick death, and yeah most humane of the lot, but the most inhuman, most evil of all, would be the cruciatus curse.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: sareeta

Torture to Insanity is what was done using cruciatus curse.

I do see Lalitha's point of 'absolute no control over self' , but cruciatus curse is more than physical pain, it is torture and the victim being aware of it while the caster for the lack of a better word inflicts it with a desire to enjoy or for more sinister purposes cause the pain to the other. Imperius curse has been used as an excuse by many for their misdeeds , unlike the other two unforgivable curses...although it is loss of control on self, the aftermath being equally burdening, but the mental damage that the cruciatus curse inflicts is unnerving... watching someone pain can drive many insane, and experiencing it oneself is for me a very evil and far fetched at that and certainly unforgivable... like torturing a hapless animal...

Avada kedavra seems a quick death, and yeah most humane of the lot, but the most inhuman, most evil of all, would be the cruciatus curse.

Hi Sareeta- Welcome back to the forum, haven't seen you here for awhile.
Your thoughts provide an interesting outlook, one, which I unfortunately don't totally agree with.😉😳😛
While I agree that the Cruciatus Curse can be very disabling in that the inflicting of physical pain will eventually lead to mental instability, the curse is not always used to the extent to cause metal instability. It is sometimes merely used as a form of physical torture on the whims and fancies of the caster, and these physical injuries can be healed relatively quickly, when all is said and done.
Yes i do admit that there are cases, like the Longbottoms, that prove what excessive torture can do to the mind, which can be unsettling, however I think that the use of an Imperius curse can be even more unnerving (to use your word.) I was reading another novel and it had this line which struck me " A person's mind is his last sanctuary. You must never violate it unless circumstances force you too." So aside from the mental anguish that one would feel from having commited deeds against one's will, I think the bigger pain that is experienced is the violation of one's self that comes from someone else controlling your mind. After contact is broken ad realization decends on what occured, how can a person mentally feel safe again even in his own mind. An if you can't feel safe in your thoughts, there is no physical location or confort that can give you that peace of mind that is forever lost.
Insanity can in some cases be overcome with time and care and support, but who or what can save you from yourself and your inner demons, that orginate from the vurnerability that now exists within you?
Just my opinion.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: shellytt

Hi Sareeta- Welcome back to the forum, haven't seen you here for awhile.
Your thoughts provide an interesting outlook, one, which I unfortunately don't totally agree with.😉😳😛
While I agree that the Cruciatus Curse can be very disabling in that the inflicting of physical pain will eventually lead to mental instability, the curse is not always used to the extent to cause metal instability. It is sometimes merely used as a form of physical torture on the whims and fancies of the caster, and these physical injuries can be healed relatively quickly, when all is said and done.
Yes i do admit that there are cases, like the Longbottoms, that prove what excessive torture can do to the mind, which can be unsettling, however I think that the use of an Imperius curse can be even more unnerving (to use your word.) I was reading another novel and it had this line which struck me " A person's mind is his last sanctuary. You must never violate it unless circumstances force you too." So aside from the mental anguish that one would feel from having commited deeds against one's will, I think the bigger pain that is experienced is the violation of one's self that comes from someone else controlling your mind. After contact is broken ad realization decends on what occured, how can a person mentally feel safe again even in his own mind. An if you can't feel safe in your thoughts, there is no physical location or confort that can give you that peace of mind that is forever lost.
Insanity can in some cases be overcome with time and care and support, but who or what can save you from yourself and your inner demons, that orginate from the vurnerability that now exists within you?
Just my opinion.



Shelly ! - Hi there! Yeah it's been a while and I was away on a bubble assignment and work was rather hectic and kept me away from IF for quite sometime!

Feels great to be back though!

Admittedly, I struggled a lot with the choice between cruciatus and the imperius curses, and I agreed with Lalitha's reasoning, somehow, cruciatus seemed equally bad, but with your reasoning, I agree that the vulnerability of not feeling safe in the confines of your mind, is far more torturous and thank you to you for bring out this reasoning. I have to admit , while reading the book "A beautiful mind", I constantly thought of how the mind was the man's sanctuary and his own enemy as well and my heart went out to people who faced and lived this delusion that provided refuge and torture all at the same time.

I guess when I was reasoning with the cruciatus curse, I saw it more from the point of the atrocity of the inflicter, than the victim (who I dare say, I didnt ignore), but the atrocity of it all was what unnerved me, since cruciatus curse drove the victim to insanity while he was aware of uit - you know the semi conciousness or awareness of what was happening and knowing what would happen and being helpless ; the imperius curse if just as bad, but somehow the victim realizes it as an aftermath and possibly the damage is done by then...
So may be I would weigh them equally and somehow, the semi conciousness of someone taking over your mind and unable to stop it or the pain of it, or playing with your mind makes me squirm uncomfortably.

Just a thought... thank you for the different line of thought on Imperius Curse... I guess it was what I was getting to at the end of it , in my earlier reasoning , but didnt seem to convey it all clear...! :)
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Posted: 16 years ago
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It was actually a difficult choice for me too to chose between the two curses, but in the end the question I asked myself was Would rather have physical pain or loss of control? From there it was actually easier for me to decide.
However I do agree that both curses are equally "evil" and I guess the effect of a particular curse and its consequences is really an individual issue, as each person would react differently to each or would deem one more unsettling than the other.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I would say Cruciatus....it would so painful I assume the person would be begging for death...poor Hermione...
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: shellytt

It was actually a difficult choice for me too to chose between the two curses, but in the end the question I asked myself was Would rather have physical pain or loss of control? From there it was actually easier for me to decide.

However I do agree that both curses are equally "evil" and I guess the effect of a particular curse and its consequences is really an individual issue, as each person would react differently to each or would deem one more unsettling than the other.

After reading your explanation, I sort of agree with you that that loss of one's mind is far worse than physical pain. But the Imperius curse might not always make one do horrible things. What if it is used for the better, as horrible as it sounds? I agree that in those extreme cases that the Imperius curse is far worse than the Cruciatus, but in some cases, it seems like the Crusiatus curse is more un-berable.
I'm still not sure 😛
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: MusicalAiswarya

After reading your explanation, I sort of agree with you that that loss of one's mind is far worse than physical pain. But the Imperius curse might not always make one do horrible things. What if it is used for the better, as horrible as it sounds? I agree that in those extreme cases that the Imperius curse is far worse than the Cruciatus, but in some cases, it seems like the Crusiatus curse is more un-berable.
I'm still not sure 😛

Well we can say that the Imperious Curse was used for the better by Harry in DH when they were trying to break in to Gringotts, but I still maintain that regardless of the situation, I'll still take the pain, over losing control of my thoughts and by extension my actions.
That's just me, and as I said that every individual has a different tolerance level for different things and some may prefer to have a temporary loss of control rather than physical pain, and I have a feeling that you are more leaning towards Cruciatus Curse being worse, and don't let me or anyone else change your mind. To you, the thought of physical pain to such an extent is unthinkable and unimaginable and that's fine and a very logical fear, whereas for someone like me, who the thought of losing control is a worse punishment than physical pain.
Its really a subjective issue as to which curse is worse.Different tolerance for different people give different results.

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