Reverse Psychology - A Different Take - Page 3

great post jzee !⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Main aa gayiii😆...This is Srushti's line actually, sorry for chorying :P

I wanted to reply earlier and did hit 'like' but had to run out for a bit...just got back...

Awesome analysis, JZee...so this was well worth the wait👏😆


I totally went through the same thought process while watching the epi...I first thought wow this Revji bhai is one SHARP dude...he knows how to get to Gulaal...he's trying reverse psychology on her...lol...but then the latter half made me think otherwise with the solid scolding he gave Kesar...

This is such a complicated situation...on some level, all the characters make mistakes and that is what adds to the complications and twists in the plot...the good thing though is that they aren't CONVOLUTED twists...each level of complication that is being added to the situation is very much so cuz of what the characters are...what their flaws are...today, the situation got worse because of Kesar's flaws...today he showed lack of fine judgement, over impulsiveness...yes, he's generally been pushed to this level as he keeps on ramming his head against the concrete wall that is Gulaal that refuses to give an inch...but doing things of this sort only makes things worse...he cannot just keep chanting Gulaal over and over again and expect that things will fall into place.

So what Revji did in a sense was give a reality check to Kesar as well...I know things are terrible for Kesar right now...no one understands him REALLY on this issue and he is naively falling prey to ideas by ppl like Raman...he feels helpless and there is only one chant in his mind over and over again...Gulaal...but drowning in that obsessiveness isn't going to do much for either of them...he has to get out of that.

I loved the point you made about how Revji gave Gulaal true UNDERSTANDING today...something even she was lacking a sense just like Kesar is...you could see the gratefulness in Gulaal's eyes...and something really did shift...soften in that moment...something gave in slightly inside Gulaal...as you said, some kind of guard came down...it leaves room for interpretation.

And yes I totally agree with you here:

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Originally posted by: JZephyr

[quote=Lennie]

You know i dont expect and want Kesar to back off as such, but i do want him to get a grip of himself and so on and also remember that sometimes one does need time and space atleast think of that, like something daddy cool said today about thinking of what she wants and not only want he wants

Excellent points, guys!👏👏 Totally agree with both of you on this...I'm also getting the feeling that Revji gave a reality check to both K and G at different times...for G, he did that two days ago when he talked about past and present with her...and for K, he did that today albeit in a much more scolding manner...but Kesar does need to be made to realize that this can't only be about him chanting for Gulaal all the time...her feelings have to be taken into consideration...I honestly feel Kesar is so BHOLA in many ways...there are many ppl around him putting various kinds of thoughts in his head all the time and he keeps getting overwhelmed and pulled in one direction or the other from time to time...The tragedy is that usually it's only Gulaal that anchors him and since he doesn't have that, he's running around in even more confusing ways...but this has to stop somehow...if Revji's words have indeed had some effect on Kesar, I want to see how he approaches this hereon.

Originally posted by: shadowstreet

great post my frnd👏👏👏

there r many shade in this char revji if we look closely. a father stuborn girl, father in law of Vasant( whom he still adore), kesar & Reva, husband of a restless wife, relative & friend of Motaba's family & finally a sesible human being. so yes all he is doing is not out of sudden burst. He is not underage like Kesar-gulal. He lived in this society & knows the facts & rules. on the other hand he respects his daughter's & kesar's feelings & understands their problem. So its very natrual he is playing the reverse psychology with them. Thats the reason may b he assurd her daughter. He dint bother to go to the panchayat but came to Kesar's place to declare his decision. After this Gulal will think of the situation most probly😛 If she starts missing Kesar & revji forbid her to go back that wil b her eye opener. She need some time now to sort out. Revji understood it & he was wiling to give it to her. But Kesar's step today again push her harder to more stubornness. So I hope its his plan to act like so😃

rest finger crossed😕

once again very well post👏👏👏

Originally posted by: nureat01

This is such a complicated situation...on some level, all the characters make mistakes and that is what adds to the complications and twists in the plot...the good thing though is that they aren't CONVOLUTED twists...each level of complication that is being added to the situation is very much so cuz of what the characters are...what their flaws are...today, the situation got worse because of Kesar's flaws...today he showed lack of fine judgement, over impulsiveness...yes, he's generally been pushed to this level as he keeps on ramming his head against the concrete wall that is Gulaal that refuses to give an inch...but doing things of this sort only makes things worse...he cannot just keep chanting Gulaal over and over again and expect that things will fall into place.

^^ Bang on Nur. I always think the classic vamp characters and their importance to any plot is over rated. Its not as if we don't have the negative characters here - but what really brings on the greatest problems in the plot/lives of characters is at least 80% their own doing. And that, IMO, is very close to real life. Emotionally overwrought decisions, Outraged, misunderstood, naive, impulsive moments have a lot to do with the mess in our lives in general - and it is such a pleasure to see a show which banks heavily on those gray shades of human nature. The negative characters are merely catalysts to circumstances as and when (say Raman today) - the wrong doing itself, is heavily credited to the so-called 'good' characters!

So what Revji did in a sense was give a reality check to Kesar as well...I know things are terrible for Kesar right now...no one understands him REALLY on this issue and he is naively falling prey to ideas by ppl like Raman...he feels helpless and there is only one chant in his mind over and over again...Gulaal...but drowning in that obsessiveness isn't going to do much for either of them...he has to get out of that. - Yup. Kesar has been getting more than his share of earful from all quarters for a week now. But no one sits to talk sense into him, far less try and understand him. A reality check was must. Someone had to tell him, show him, that his frequency of reverting back to child mode who could just throw his weight around and compel Gul to give into another tantrum like his young days a decade ago wasn't exactly the right approach. On the othe hand - he's gotten more than his share of food for thought too - its now all a mess inside of his head, and like you said, Gul his sole anchor from the start of time is not there to see him through the mess. Revji used two classic aces - tum to khud se pyaar karte ho; Gulaal ab is ghar mein kabhi waapis nahi ayegi. Home runs all the way. If they don't nail it for him nothing will. Hopefully he will cease to be desperate and become solemn and thoughtful about where he's heading, and where he's taking all of this - God knows he needs to find his head. 😳 God also knows the few instances that he manages to salvage that head - someone totally ruins it for him (read: PaanBaa not answering his questions - oh I shall never forgive her that!)

I loved the point you made about how Revji gave Gulaal true UNDERSTANDING today...something even she was lacking a sense just like Kesar is...you could see the gratefulness in Gulaal's eyes...and something really did shift...soften in that moment...something gave in slightly inside Gulaal...as you said, some kind of guard came down...it leaves room for interpretation.

And yes I totally agree with you here:

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Now my take is, that the same Gulaal who we have see fighting off conviction and advisory talks all week long will be forced to think the other way. With Panchayat shutting off hukka paani for her parental home, Gulaal being Gulaal will only take so much of suffering on her folks part before snapping. Before having to make choices again - between devil and the deep sea. If her father had continued to be in the mild support gang, on her side but quietly urging her to undo her decision, it would never have hit her, the guilt, like it will now. She will watch her family brave hard times only because she's stuck up on an idea - and yeh, we all know how that goes down with her, don't we?! She can hate Kesar's guts more than ever, but for her own family, she will return, and deal with that part all by herself - because isn't she always striving to be the one man army?! Of course, once she's back into that house - we're all banking on Kesar's undying love to finally melt her, slowly but surely, lol 😆[/quote]

Especially the bolded bit...LOL so true about her considering herself a one man or WOMAN army to be more precise...haha


Now coming to the two possibilities you mentioned...I love option two😆...cuz that would just make Revji like SUPER cool😆...what a diabolical plan! hahaha...cuz he DOES know both Kesar and Gulaal's personalities...what the plusses are, what the minuses are and what mistakes they are BOTH making...so if this really is some overarching plan of his, I'd be DAMN impressed...lol...but yeah I'm also not sure how much that actually would be the real case...lol

In the first option, I love the point about Kesar possibly FINALLY having a mellowed conversation with Gulaal...well in all honesty, he DID try to have a mellow convo with her that first day he went to her house...and she had no answer for his "who decides what the sin is?" question...but I'd like to see more of the same...right now his repeating his love for her and insisting that she come home over and over again in every second sentence is just not really helping anything other than making him look obsessive...but I do think Kesar needs to take the more mature approach now...he has all these shades to him...he can be as much a man as much a child in the very next instant...and in Gulaal's case, the turmoil drives him to the brink even more... So remember I told you last night how I'd found something I wanted to make a post about? (I quit on it after the episode today because Revji deserved center stage, but anyway) I was thinking about this. Guardian and Ward Vs Prospective Lovers - as roles acquired by GK. It pretty interesting how the CVs show an oscillation of both Gul and Kesar between those modes. Kesar IMO is not the only one who reverts back to his decade ago behavior with Gul - she herself, even now when he has shocked her out of ever again believing him to be the same old Kesar, inevitably lapses back to treating him like a kid. Not in the loving fond manner though. Yesterday's scene when Kesar lands at her place middle of the night was an ideal example of a lapse back into the past memory lane for both. It wasn't a scene typical of one lover pleading and begging their prospective lover to understand the. It was a little precocious boy throwing an obnoxious tantrum before his guardian because he wanted to get his way at any cost. Simultaneously, he was seeking answers out of her, telling her in as earnest as it gets of how he was losing it, he didn't know what to do - he was a little lost child, looking for his eternal 'anchor' demanding and pleading at once that she should not rob him of that stature and right, because he was the same old Kesar, her Kesar...

We all know Gulaal will likely be in the house by next week...the HOW is the confusing part...the precap shows a determined Kesar...but honestly, he need to back up that determination through his actions now...he has to man up to the challenge and this needs to be seen through now... @ red - about time, about time!

So now we wait to see...what brings Gulaal back? The consequences of the panchayat decision or if Kesar has another ace up his sleeve that I can't think of...lol

Originally posted by: nureat01

Excellent points, guys!👏👏 Totally agree with both of you on this...I'm also getting the feeling that Revji gave a reality check to both K and G at different times...for G, he did that two days ago when he talked about past and present with her...and for K, he did that today albeit in a much more scolding manner...but Kesar does need to be made to realize that this can't only be about him chanting for Gulaal all the time...her feelings have to be taken into consideration...I honestly feel Kesar is so BHOLA in many ways...there are many ppl around him putting various kinds of thoughts in his head all the time and he keeps getting overwhelmed and pulled in one direction or the other from time to time...The tragedy is that usually it's only Gulaal that anchors him and since he doesn't have that, he's running around in even more confusing ways...but this has to stop somehow...if Revji's words have indeed had some effect on Kesar, I want to see how he approaches this hereon.

Hey Jzee,

Just watched the episode. Absolutely agree with your character analysis. This show is amazing at giving all the players a chance to shine and today was definitely all about baapji! He got to showcase what an amazing actor he is. You see the transformation of his demeanor as he hears Poonam go on and on about Gulaal and blaming her for everything.

The only thing I am not sure I agree on is that this was a strategic strike on his part. I don't think he was trying use reverse psychology on Gulaal. His defense and support of Gulaal was all about "this is my daughter and no one is going to force her to do anything she doesn't want to in my presence" It was all genuine. It wasn't just him saying this in front of her own family and the panchayat but he takes it a step forward and talks to Kesar as well.

What a fantastic statement. He doesn't take the normal route of "you must do what is right to defend the honour of the family" But he does the right thing! The end result maybe that Gulaal at some point decides to go back. But the father daughter relationship is not manipulative here. Again amazing!

-Shelly

Originally posted by: JZephyr

.So remember I told you last night how I'd found something I wanted to make a post about? (I quit on it after the episode today because Revji deserved center stage, but anyway) I was thinking about this. Guardian and Ward Vs Prospective Lovers - as roles acquired by GK. It pretty interesting how the CVs show an oscillation of both Gul and Kesar between those modes. Kesar IMO is not the only one who reverts back to his decade ago behavior with Gul - she herself, even now when he has shocked her out of ever again believing him to be the same old Kesar, inevitably lapses back to treating him like a kid. Not in the loving fond manner though. Yesterday's scene when Kesar lands at her place middle of the night was an ideal example of a lapse back into the past memory lane for both. It wasn't a scene typical of one lover pleading and begging their prospective lover to understand the. It was a little precocious boy throwing an obnoxious tantrum before his guardian because he wanted to get his way at any cost. Simultaneously, he was seeking answers out of her, telling her in as earnest as it gets of how he was losing it, he didn't know what to do - he was a little lost child, looking for his eternal 'anchor' demanding and pleading at once that she should not rob him of that stature and right, because he was the same old Kesar, her Kesar...

Excellent point, JZee...I too thought about this as I've watched Kesar over the last few epis especially...Kesar toh is definitely reverting back to that lost 12 year old boy as he pleads with her...he is so out of his mind, this seems to be what he falls back to...pleading for her understanding just once...when he said that line about, "tu kyun bhool jaati hai ki main TERA Kesar hoon"...that was just so heartwrenching...and that's the heart of it...it shows his state of mind...why he's pleading for understanding from HER...HIS Gulaal...but like you said, she too has reverted back to the "guardian" mindset...not that she ever really changed much from that when it came to Kesar in general...but that scene in particular was about an "adult" ignoring a "tantrum" from a "kid"...that was exactly how it came out...even thought Kesar's condition was so heartwrenching, it went beyond just a "childish tantrum" but then that's how Gulaal viewed it...since she's stuck in her "guardian" mindset...she's using tough treatment on him to get him out of the that "tantrum" phase as she sees it...but this version of "guardian" Gulaal has lost touch with the original guardian version who still understood Kesar...knew how to deal with his worst tantrums also...this version of "guardian" Gulaal has to battle with the spooked woman inside her...the one who can't deal with and doesn't want to accept that she is no longer dealing with a "child"...even if that side of his comes out sometimes in this manner...deep down, somewhere she knows it...but she is not even close to acknowledging it...stubbornness can blind us to many things.


And honestly it's such a fascinating oscillation that happens b/w these two roles...especially in Kesar's case...the layers to his character...and how the layers to Gulaal move back and forth in tandem.

oh hey JZee! 😃 i think this is the first time i am officially meeting you so let me introduce myself..