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rakni

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Posted: 14 years ago

I loved today's episode for multiple reasons:

1) Finally someone called a spade a spade - Kesar should realize his stupidity. Three people have directly spoken to him about his behavior today - Dushyant, Raman, and Revji and they all said what should have been said to him long ago. Gulaal should not be forced into this relationship. She has to be respected for her wishes to not wanting this relationship. She does not love this kid, who is involved in one immature act after the other. Yes he is cute, yes he is helpless and frustrated and in love with Gulaal and missing Gulaal and losing his mind without Gulaal and etc. and etc. and etc. but he has absolutely no right to force her to come back to this house by hook or by panchayet. This is getting to be way too much. I liked everything Kesar got today from everybody. Kesar should know who his enemies are by now and serves him right for listening to Raman - the guy who pushed him off the roof to kill him. The only good thing Raman did today was to say to Kesar that begging in the temple is a bad idea and I so agree. Kesar should have more respect for himself as well as for Gulaal. What he has right now is pure OBSESSION - obsessive, compulsive behavior.

2) Gulaal finally got the support from her family, which was long overdue. I loved how her father stood by her today. It was a beautiful scene. Now Revji is my favorite character on Gulaal. 👏 Go REVJI!!!!👏👏

3) Thank you, thank you, thank you for shutting the trap of Poonamba - she was annoying, single-tracked, overwhelming. What a horribly nagging parent she is. She should get trained by her husband on how to be a strong parent who teaches the right thing without being overbearing. 😡

4) Less of Talli scenes - I just can't stand that character - not sure if the actress I dislike or the character, or her general expressions (apologies in advance to Talli fans). 🤢🤢

I don't understand why they have cell phones and blenders in the kitchen but they do not have divorce in Talsagra? Gulaal should divorce Kesar if at all possible. If there's truly good chemistry between the two then they should start afresh with new understandings and a new relationship. Both of them have hurt their current relationship to the point of insult. This relationship should end now for everyone's sake.

GREAT EPISODE CVs Thank you for great entertainment.

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mystikal

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Posted: 14 years ago

i dnt find kesar wrong anywhere along da track n he z no kid

he z only deeply n madly in love vth gulaal

had anybdy been dat mch in love vth gulaal evn vasant n gulaal ignoring him he wud hav also lost hz mind spcly wen nobdy z arnd 2 understand his pov n extend him any support

kesar z absolutely right wat he z doing

he cannot jst sit bck n lose his love forever n den live all his life in regrets

n sorry i dnt agree about poonambha also fr i find her justified

she loves her daughter a lot n wants to see her setlled n leading a happy life

who do you think vil marry n love gulaal da way kesar does???

evn if she z forcing her right now its all for gulaals gud

Edited by mystikal - 14 years ago

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rakni

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Posted: 14 years ago

After what he did today - he should be put in a straight jecket.

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without-fathom

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Posted: 14 years ago

Excellent post Rakni!

I'm not an all out Gul, or Kesar team camp member. I've said in several places, and I'll say again - they are both characters with their own shades of gray, each given their own history - and it's rather unfair to judge either of them as plain right or wrong.

That said - yes, Kesar did get his share of guilt trips today - although a little out of line with you, they've been coming to him all week - this way, or that. Part of his OCD behavior is purely on account of how torn he is between what he wants and what he's being told. And fact is, while with regard to Talli he not only accepts but understands the extent and gravity of his error, with Gulaal he doesn't. Everybody tells him he's wrong in trying to force upon her what she's not willing or ready for - but no one, I repeat no one, tells him her side of the story in a way that he would understand. For him, Gulaal isn't taking him seriously because he's a kid, because he's Vasant's brother, because she never thought about the deeyarvattu in that sense. What he's not being elaborately told - and yes, to his very befuddled state of mind, an explicit lay out of facts is very very necessary - that Gulaal has snapped because she's violated by the thought of replacing Vasant in her life - not just by Kesar, but by any A,B,C...X! He doesn't understand that, and nobody makes him. So part of him oscillates between temporary calm resolved phases to bring her back, and the other OCD teenager who reverts back to his kid mode and goes back to behaving with Gulaal in the same insistent kid manner like he would have a decade ago for going to school, or not drinking milk et al... He doesn't realize it, or intentionally go into the child avatar - its just the most natural thing to him, because he's shared his closest phase with Gulaal like that. Its the only way he knows to pursue her, to plead with her like a little boy stubborn, stomping feet and throwing a tantrum. Sigh.

As for Gulaal - I suppose her greatest personal folly has been in assuming that Kesar the kid will never grow up into Kesar the man. Its one thing that her dedication to Vasant is all of the reason she can't imagine getting together with Kesar - ironically, it was part of the reason she did the deeyarvattu in the first place with him so she could avoid Dushyant who could not be sidelined as a child and would fill in her husband's shoes which she would never live with. Anyway. Like I said, that is one thing. The other thing is that she refuses to give a second's consideration to the thought Kesar may not be merely immaturely obsessing over her, but may have actually grown up with a mind set that her transformed his deep attachment for her into a raw love now that he has come of right age. If she was only to even respect that he's not a kid anymore, and can harbor real feelings if he claims - she may yet turn him down anyway but leave him some semblance of mental peace. Kesar stands tormented at her hands in many ways. A) To him atm, it seems a slim chance he can ever get her for a wife in real ways. B) He can do nothing to convince her his feelings are real and to stay - and for all his obsessive, destructive, desperate ways, that is fact. His feeling for her will not fade with time or distance. There was decade of gap, and much hatred for that to have happened, and it has only only only grown into this dark deep something! C) She actually takes charge of his life and makes his life's vital decisions without thinking it worth to ask him once. While Gulaal tied him to Talli with only best intentions for both in her heart, Kesar never was, never will be the kind to take outer control lying down. She should have known better than that - but then again, when he was a child, cajoling him into her ways was always only about a matter of time. She hasn't gotten out of that time.

Phew - long response to you, but once again, great post. This show is gripping as ever - and for all the debates that members can have - no one denies the addiction 😆

JZee

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Nach_Baliye

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Posted: 14 years ago

Great posts. I kind of get why Gulaal would not like Kesar, but what I don't get are Gulaal's double standards. Yes she doesn't love Kesar and cannot even think of it, but she denies his feelings, refuses to understand them, or accept them. A mature person would show some understanding and COMMUNICATE with him, not run away like Gulaal and keep pushing him away so strongly, its as if she is punishing him for having these feelings.

If Gulaal wants to live as Vasant's widow, then she needs to live like that instead of Kesar's wife. I don't believe that widows should live isolated, etc., but in this case Gulaal is living like Kesar's wife doing pooja with him and fasting, yet she refuses to acknowledge him as her husband. She insisted his marrying Talli so much, knowing full well that he doesn't love or even like Talli. She has not cared about his feelings at all, it has all been about her decisions.

When Kesar was young, she cajoled him into listening to her. One cannot do the same for marriage - marriage is a big thing, Gulaal tried to do that with Kesar. She exercises full right over Kesar yet she doesn't give him any rights. Gulaal doesn't respect the family members to take their own decisions - she tries to hide every negative thing. That is not how you live. Families are for sharing, not hiding.

Gulaal shows Kesar's feelings no respect whatsoever, it was evident when she told Kesar about her plans for Talli and he said adamantly that he doesn't love Talli. She slaps Kesar whenever she wants to, but if Kesar does something she refuses to discuss it. Gulaal's double-standards bother me. She had a choice to say no to marrying Dushyant - Paan Baa supported her and told the panchayat no. Why didn't she refuse to do deeyarvattu at all? Why not just expose everyone which she did anyway after the deeyarvattu? She couldn't handle the pressure and succumbed to it, and Kesar has born the brunt of it. When I re-watch that episode, I keep thinking, why didn't Gulaal just say no to deeyarvattu? So what if everyone insisted? She could have told Paan Baa about her overhearing Raman's conversation about killing Kesar.

Gulaal's complete lack of respect for Kesar and his feelings bothers me.

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Lennie

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Posted: 14 years ago

Whether we like it or not, but Kesar is somewhat bordering obsession, i mean look at the signs (lets take away what we know about Kesar and see what he has done, i mean there are signs of obsession in a way) - from the outside it looks that and then also some of the things Revji bhai to him was true, coz thats what they have seen of Kesar so far

No one can help Kesar is he doesnt want to listen, and he isnt listening is he?... seriously who has he listened to that gave him proper advice other then saying i know how to get Gulaal back... Raman had him eating out of his hand with that line, and Kesar fell for it, and he did that he made it so much worse for the family and as a father Revji bhai stood, rightly so... and this man was all for Kes-Gul and even thought that by being patient and talking to Gulaal he would of surely got around to her for atleast going back, but what Kesar did was being forcement, and putting pressure and no wonder Revji bhai said, we all want for Gulaal to do this, but what about what Gulaal wants... and i do think Kesar has forget that along the way, and i say in his so called bordering obsession he has forgetton that, and i say this even more coz the signs are obsession right now so for that.

As a mother you would think Poonambha would understand how hard it would be for a woman to move forward esp in the life Gulaal has had and to endured, but Poonambha was like a woman going on and on, and when someone does that, you just dont end yup listening to them, its like she wasnt even talking to Gulaal, but just barking orders, and this is where her dad needed to step up and i think we all glad he did, and even Gulaal was surprised and this is what Gulaal wanted - someone on her side to show her support, even if she didnt know she needed it, you could tell how much it got to her, and we saw a emotional Gulaal to see her dad stand up for her...

The only thing at the moment i can say to Kesar is get a grip of himself, esp what Revji bhai has gone and said to him about what the hell he is doing and so on... i dont want and expect to back down but there is another way of going about things esp in a sensible way, trying winning her heart or something then trying forcing and pressure and so on

Though JK has made it even more worse then it was before, and Revji bhai lashed out with his last sentence

I have said this so many times will say again - It has to be Gulaal's choice and decision if she goes back, in whichever reason it might be...

If we think about both Gulaal and Kesar dont really have anyone who understands them in a way... both alone as well

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EXOL

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Posted: 14 years ago

U know one thing I noticed they always emphasize on past,present and future
when gulal took the decision she only thought about present but she always lived her life in past i.e with vasant
when mota bha came to know about deyyarvattu,he was worried for future,he again and again warned gulal in every step,u remember the dialougue kahneya and rukmini wala,it was during a school play where gulal played rukmini and kesar played kahneya and during this play mota bha came to know about deyarvattu and this is the first line he told gulal on stage...
coming to kesar he dint know what will happen in future when he was child but now he knows...but in all this the problem is gulal is stuck in her past neither she wants to think about the future nor she wants to accpet the present...
yesterday gulal told her babuji that "insaan jo bhi hota hai apni atit ke wajah se",but she isnt realizing that aaj kesar jo bhi hai woh atit main liye gulal ke ek faisle ki wajah se hi hai...

she is contradicting her words and she knows once she will face kesar she wont be able to answer his question thats why she is running away,for ex when kesar asked her that woh vasant ka bhai na hota toh kya uska pyaar paap nahin hota and see gulal was speechless,kesar is right,he is her parchayi he is gulal part2 she cant run away from him,deep inside gulal knows this too😉

Edited by nneeiill - 14 years ago

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saumyapari

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Posted: 14 years ago

I dnt find kesar wrong at all. I mean gulaal is forcing him to do all this...SInce the day he tld gulaal that he loves her, shes been treating him like shyt! She hve no rite to do dat!! Kesar is human too after all.. and wats the big deal if he love her? shes his wife and theres nothing wrong in loving your wife

No one in the house is trying to understand poor kesar!! Everyone keeps on blaming him for wat he did wrong but no ones seeing that hes doing all this to get gulaal back. cnt they see how much he love gulaal? that he cnt even stay a day without her. No one is trying to understand his love...not even gulaal

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Fari

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Posted: 14 years ago

I somewhat agree with your post. Although I agree that Kesar shouldnt force gulaal to go back but its not fair to forget that he was also forced into this marriage. And by Gulaal too. He had no choice.

When everyone was not aware of his love for Gulaal, they told him and her to treat each other as husband and wife (pooja, vrat, etc). And then when he says that he loves her, they all say he has no right to?

He was right. He is not a toy. Its not fair to tell him who to love and when to and how to.

Gulaal went to the elders to complain and end the wedding but she didnt respect nor listen to their decision. When Kesar went to complain it was a problem. I think it is in part Gulaals stupidity that led to this whole mess. She was literally the only one he was with. She loooved him.even when he came back, she loved him so much. I agree it was a different kind of love but its not fair to him. He ALWAYS did think of her as his wife, and when she showed her love towards him, HE loved her more.

At the same time, I feel bad for Gulaal. I completely understand that she cant get over Vasant and stay happy with his brother. It was finally good to see Gulaals father step up for his daughter.

All in all though, Im siding with Kesar. Yes he has acted immaturely at times and it was stupid of him to go complain about Gulaal not returning, but still. I feel like his situation is worse than Gulaals. Everyones telling him off saying hes doing wrong but still, he stands strong for his love.

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Nach_Baliye

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Posted: 14 years ago

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Originally posted by: Lennie

No one can help Kesar is he doesnt want to listen, and he isnt listening is he?... seriously who has he listened to that gave him proper advice other then saying i know how to get Gulaal back... Raman had him eating out of his hand with that line, and Kesar fell for it, and he did that he made it so much worse for the family and as a father Revji bhai stood, rightly so...

This is where Kesar's parents have failed him. Its as if after Vasant's death they have no interest in Kesar. Did they never bring Kesar home from the boarding even once? Not once? People don't go away to boarding schools for years and never return home for vacation. Did Kesar spend summer vacation at the boarding? What kind of parents are Paan Baa and Mota Bha? When Kesar said he would marry Talli, Mota Bha had such a hands-off attitude and left everything to Gulaal. Paan Baa, knowing full well how much at fault are Gulaal and Sudha about Kesar's marriage to Talli, never says anything even though Kesar is her only son and the only one left. Kesar tried to reach out to Paan Baa and understand Gulaal's state of mind, but Paan Baa made it about Talli. Who does Kesar have to turn to? The only one he had was Vasant who is dead, and now Gulaal.

The only other people are Raman and Dushyant - Dushyant killed Vasant so only Raman. How can Kesar not be affected by what they say? Kesar is desperate for some love and support, but nobody in his family gives it to him. Nobody to give him the right advice. Whenever Mota Bha says something it has an impact on Kesar and gets him to think, like why he refused to go through with the wedding. If Mota Bha was a little more hands-on with Kesar, he would not be so obsessive. Even Reva didn't understand him.

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