Gulaal can't be blamed,nor can be kesar.

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi,
Everyone,my name is Vidya and I am a silent reader of this forum.Today's epi made me voice my opinions.While watching the rerun of this show yesterday i asked my mum why does she not love kesar,silly of me(As I am very much in love with kesar-gulaal jodi),but desperate.She just said that she can't see anybody else in her husband's place,she hasn't moved on.And I realised that she must be right.

Gulaal was very much in love with Vasant and rightfully so,he deserved it.She had fallen in love with a noble,brave man who had big dreams and strong beliefs.The woman fought with her parents and village for this man.Her loyalty and love was rewarded with her marriage to him that unfortunately did not last long.Just imagine your felling when your whole world just stops spinning and falls off its axis,shattered and desolate.Thats what she felt like.She just remembers him and his dreams.She remembers his dreams for talsagara,his family and his kesuda.she to an extent fulfilled half of his dreams.In regards to kesar,she never saw him as anything but vasant's kesuda.She still sees the world through vasant's vision.After she lost her only reason to live,she closed herself in order to protect vasant's family,she had to be there for them,that is what vasant would have wanted and she would do anything for him.As she said to kesar today,"main vasant ki kasam khake kehti hoon ke tu kahega to main tujhe apni shakal kabhi bhi nahi dikhaungi".And she means it.She can't be blamed for behaving as such.No matter how she shows herself as,the woman is shattered inside.She never got to grieve her loss.Everyone needs time which she wasn't given.

when vasant died the family looked at gulaal to take his place and fill their void.What was vasant's job till now was passed onto gulaal.Every parent has a child that he dreams would fulfill his every dream,that child was vasant,and now was vasant's gulaal.and gulaal took up her role as was expected of her.The journey of becoming kesar's gulaal from vasant's gulaal would be very difficult for her.She is a one man woman.I guess we all have to accept that she never thought of kesar as more than vasant's kesuda.Remember when she tells him what his brother will think of him seeing him inebriated,what she would answer him.that is all kesar is to her right now.agreed that kesar is her number one priority,it is only in the aspect of vasant's dreams.

Kesar is a different character all together.He is the young darling of the house who everyone spoils rotten ad foregoes mistakes of.As a child he looked up to vasant and then gulaal entered his life.She loved him,gave in to his whims,cared for him and stood up for him.All too soon she became his favorite person,with gulaal this and gulaal that.Noting the fact that he never called her bhabhi,didi,maa or all of those platonic relations,he was first to call her his wife,a very intimate and important relation in anybodies life.that was what gulaal had become to him.For him gulaal was his and his only.she would always love him,support him and take his side.Then he heard about his brothers death and suddenly it was all new to him.Why would gulaal not tell on dushyant bha ,why she hid it from him,from motabha,etc.And then she sent him off to boarding school,and he behaving like a child took offence.For ten years his life revolved around gulaal and vasant's death.She is obviously the axis of his world.When he returned,he was angry yet yearning for her love.His actions and words as all of you are aware of speak only of his fixation with Gulaal.He is possessive of her and protective too.They say a child always has one thing or memory of his childhood that is so important and dear to him that he molds his life around it and never lets go of it.For kesar,it is gulaal.It is very obvious that he would be jealous of anybody that would come in gulaals life.What he is doing currently is because of that anger and frustation that results of his jealousy.Why would she not look at him,why would she not love him,does she love somebody else,does she love dushyant,the killer of his vasant bha?,all these questions torment him and he is acting as such.

If you look at it you will find that both of them are similar in certain aspects.Both of their lives revolves around one person.They both assume things will go as they plan and when it all doesnt fall into place they both become frantic.Gulaal cries,asks god where she went wrong,confides in vasant's picture while kesar sulks,gets violent ,mean,dark.Both of them don't have anyone to confide their deepest fears,desires to and boil inside with their suppressed troubles.

As a die-hard romantic i would like them to turn to each other,share a passionate,fiery,childish,unconventionally awesome love together( As I feel their love would be) and live happily ever after.Screw Talli,dushyant ,raman and that eunuch whose name i forgot.

If you havelasted this long you need to be given a nobel prize for patience,cause i sure tested it.Thank you for bearing me.I finish my rant here.Have an awesome life ahead!


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Posted: 14 years ago
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I loved your well-written post. I sobelieve in the same thing. Screw the lot and lock them inside something for an hour. They'll get themselves sorted out in time and there will be noone to stop them or intervene.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi and welcome😊
Nice post 👍🏼
I do somewhat agree that there is one person in their life that their world revolves around, for Gulaal it is Vasant still and so on, and for Kesar its Gulaal
Gulaal has moulded herself to walk on the path Vasant has set and continued to do so (the path she accepted when Vasant was alive as well), for her she took on that responsiblity and dreams of Vasant's - thats all she has lived for in a way and resigned herself to the fact that all she will ever do is serve this family, bind this family and love this family, and fulfill any dreams and promises
As for Kesar - we have all seen who is the center of of his world, its Gulaal and only Gulaal, no one can take that place
Is anyone of the wrong - No they arent, situation around them have led up all to such a place and so on, and human emtions and feelings are so complex
Another i liked what you said in the kind of love they would and so on
Maybe just maybe together Kes-Gul can move on and grieve together - all over i guess, talk and sit...
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi Vidya,

Nice take. I loved reading it. Loved how you explained Kesar and Gulaal in such a detail.
Your mother is so right. It is not the age difference or anything like that but it is her love for Vasant from which she has not outgrown and rightly so . It is very difficult for a woman to even think about another person, that is wht Gulaal is suffering from too. It will take ample lot of time for Gulaal to develop feeling for any other person be it Kesar. But somehwere I feel if there is any person whom Gulaaal can love after Vasant, it can only be Kesar.
Edited by nneeiill - 14 years ago
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Posted: 14 years ago
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😃Thank you,Pathan-girl and Lennie for your gracious comments.😳I just wrote what i felt.

Regarding what you said Lennie,I don't think she has resigned herself to fulfilling his dreams,she has just pushed aside all other things that are equally important or more so and let them gather dust.It's like she thinks that if she lets other feelings come in way of her task then it won't be fulfilled and she would disappoint vasant.It's like preparing the most important and lenghty dish first and then moving on to others.She feels that if she just completes all things on vasant's wishlist then she would be happy.But, she won't.She'll realise by the time she does all he wanted loneliness would creep up on her and swallow her whole.I can totally understand her,cause in a juvenile sense i can relate to her.I had created a list of goals that comprised of my and my parents dreams for me,i had made them my goals.I worked hard for it but fell short,cause i wanted all to go perfectly like my dream that i had created.It didn't work and i fell,frantic and disbelieving.I can totally understand the pain she must have felt when her little kesar was not so little anymore and her picture perfect bubble just bursted.She had dreamt up a whole little sequence where birds were chirping,people of talsagra were worshipping motabha,vasant ,the whole family was happy and kesar had become a responsible boy with his beautifully happy(🤢)wife talli was tending to their little tallis and kesuda's(I just threw up here,never am i ever imagining this again🤢) in between fawning over kesar(yuch!), while she watches all this with a smile on her face and a halo over her head,turning towards vasant's picture and saying "Aaj apka sapna pura hogaya vasant!".But sadly our devilishly handsome kesuda just walked up to her and pricked her bubble out of existence😊.

that is just what i feel.And i am of the opinion i feel a lot😉.My posts speak for it.

Regarding their lurvvveee,do you expect any less of our little devil kesuda?

Bye,Enjoy!😃
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Posted: 14 years ago
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When i said resigned in meant in the sense what you just said on it, about why and how she goes about Vasant's promises and dreams, thats what i meant as resigned on it mostly and be it the first point
She is lonely and feels it, even if she doesnt admit it or dwell on it, and she continues on with her routine and her daily life in the house and so on
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Excellent post Vidya!

As I said on another post on this forum yesterday, it was only over the weekend that first started to watch Gulaal the show, and have managed to catch up with mostly all necessary points by watching youtube's listing of Kesar-Gulaal scenes. That said, you know my background on the show's know how (:

The wonderful thing about your post is, that you have a bias - which you admit to - but you are viewing the characters in exactly their own light. Ever since I caught on the story this weekend gone by, i've wondered why most people on this forum seem to become wary of Gulaal's righteousness, and/or keep wishing bad on 'annoying' Talli. You talk of Kesar and Gulaal - I want to add Talli's name to the list. The absolute delight of watching this show has to be how each character has its personal grey shades, and yet, all of them justify every fiber of their being, as they are. Their circumstances have made each of them the person the are, and unlike most Indian dramas, their character sketches have not been tampered with but allowed to evolve in a set flow.

Gulaal is the same woman who has a past of withstanding customs that come in the path of what is objectively correct. Her yardstick to measure right and wrong is based neither on wordly morals nor ethics. Unlike what some people around seem to think, her reason to never have accepted Kesar in the true position of her husband so far, has nothing to do with his younger age or what people would think/say blah! It is all about Vasant - who never was, and never has been replaced in her life; and about Talli, whom she has given more than just a promise - a trust. She finds the meaning of her life come true in bearing her duties and living them out. Its what she has always done, and perhaps always will. In the name of duty, she has set odds and evens aside, and looked at things in clear perspective. Gulaal was never a child from as far back as we know her character in the show. She was a young girl, then a married girl, and now she's a household woman. Her evolution graph has been accordingly drafted.

Kesar on the other hand has gone from being a child, to a young man. Not to mention the trauma of the mystery of his brother's death, Gulaal's suspicious allegiance in the matter and the entire deal having haunted him with a moment's exception. He loves Gulaal - because he has never known it another way with her, and despite his wishful hatred for what he blames her for, his love has only become far more obsessive, and grown beyond the simplicity of a child's love. The little things like his demanding tea not milk go on to indicate how desperately he needs her to appreciate and accept that he now the grown up man, ready to take his place and responsibilities. He wants to be sheltered by her, still, but no more as a child. He wants her attention, because he craves it as a young man, but every counter chance, he also revels in being able to protect her, take care of her. He wants to be her pillar, and he wants her to accept it like that. It's going to be a long time battle - Talli in picture or not.

And of course, there is Talli. The annoying third angle for most viewers, but one who in all objectivity has no blame to bear. If she's like a shadow to Gulaal - its because of the way she has grown up - again, knowing no other way. The difference between Kesar and Talli growing up as kids with Gulaal is, Kesar has inside his head always owned Gulaal as his own - as a child, his most trusted confidante, even more than Vasant; and now, as his woman. Talli on the other hand has always mentally been owned by Gulaal. She doesn't think she has been favored, but she cannot step out of her person, or stop being her shadow.

Interestingly, for Gulaal to wish for Talli and Kesar to get together is entirely normal and genuinely well wishing. Anyone in her position would think so, and Paanba's criticism of having a right over her son's life is half acceptable, and half not - because really, no one can ever have a right over Kesar like Gulaal does. Not with regard to what relationship they share, but what circumstances has made of their respective bonds. For Gulaal, to see the two children she has seen half her world in get together is the ultimate happiness. She does not, and perhaps for the longest time will not be able to see things from Kesar's pov. And she can't be blamed! We want her to give him a chance - but she's not not giving him a chance.. she just doesn't understand this instance of him having feelings for her which go beyond those you have for an elder or a mentor. They have two very different mind set ups, and whether or not Kesar would have learned of Dushyant-Gulaal-Vasant mystery, this was going to happen as far as just Gulaal and Kesar are concerned.

phew - I've spoken more than you have - but that was a wonderfully written post, I just had to come vent my bit too!

xx
JZee
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Well said JZephyr
I agree - i have said Gulaal is somewhat like you said and how she is... and i get that as well, and how and why she what she is today
and its always been her making Talli-Kesar coming together a somewhat wish of hers, that she thinks that two childhood friends can make good life-partners - there was nothing wrong in that at all, but without knowing Kesar's mind is what the other half of the story says as well doesnt it and what the audience sees
I have always said that Talli was going to love Kesar in way coz she was attached to him and would wait for him in her own way, but Gulaal giving Talli that promise just cemented the idea into Talli even more so she grew into it and confided in Gulaal more and talked of the promise and so on, and both have been around each other over 10 yrs so its no wonder they are so close and so on, and Gulaal doesnt want to see Talli hurt and so on, we saw today - she doesnt wish Talli to have the life that Kesar has said to her
Like you say if we took out Talli and Dushyant and what had happened, they still would of had a different mind-set up and so on... but still like today with that ownership and bond remaining
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Vidya great post 👏
JZephyr loved what you wrote as well but I do disagree with you on one point... paanba's complaint being half right.. I think her complaint is a hundred percent valid the only time Gulaal would have more rights than anyone on Kesar is if she accepted their husband wife relationship but she hasn't done that; she is still thinking more like his 'bari bhabhi' and I think a mother has more rights over a son than a bhabhi over a devar.
As for Talli... I used to detest Talli but now I really feel bad for her because she is so unaware of all the mayhem that Gulaal Kesar are about to cause which she will be effected by the most... poor thing she's screwed both ways
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Posted: 14 years ago
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I differ slightly from you all.
I don't doubt Gulaal's goodness. There was effectively no malice in her mind when she made those decisions but that doesn't exempt her from any guilt in my opinion. She IS responsible for this mess today. She never took anyone's advice before acting, taking for them really important decisions of their life which consequences THEY will have to live throught/deals with...
Yes there is nothing wrong with Kesar/Talli's alliance if BOTH of them wanted it. It was not her place to decide in lieu of Kesar and Kesar's parents. Giving false hopes to an young innocent girl was not wise either. She did that without knowing Kesar's feelings about it. She promised something that she couldn't guarantee would happen. Even thought she had no bad intentions at heart it didn't excuse the fact that she played with everyone's feelings. Gulaal was presented as a mature young woman but that decision was anything but mature. As an intelligent woman I would have expected her to know that's nothing good can come by gambling on people's emotions. She should have let Kesar and Talli's relationship evolve on its own.
Also what I don't understand is how this decision appears to have been made so Talli will officially and permanently remain a part of the family. I thought that they already considered Talli to be a part of their family, so what was the obsession with Kesar/Talli's shaadi? I find it sad that gulaal and sudha managed to make Talli feels like that is the only way for her to be accepted fully into the family. I've always sensed that part of Talli is in love with the idea of marriage to Kesar for just that!
Please do note that this post is not one against gulaal. I don't hate her character but I do think that she made a big mistake and that someone needed to make her realise that what she thinks is right isn't inevitably so. There is a huge pretention in this thinking. She was pretentious enough to think that what she thinks and does is best for everyone else. It was time that someone defies that notion in my opinion.
While I don't approve of Kesar using Talli's emotions either I still think that he (contrary to Gulaal) was cornered. Each time he voices his opinion nobody listen to him. He voiced his disagreement over marrying Talli to Gulaal but she was still adamant on making it happened. His attitude/words towards Talli have never come close to indicate that he's interested in her but still that girl is so brainwashed by what Gulaal promised her that she refuses to see the obvious signs (come on she heard the guy screaming at the top of his lungs that he can't even think of marrying her but still she doesn't get it?! How can she think that this change of heart is genuine in so short a time is beyond me) As far as Motabha is concerned, he has so much faith in Gulaal that I think he would listen to her instead of Kesar. So in a way he needed to do something drastic about it all.

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