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Posted: 14 years ago
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I understand that Jyo: if you take away the emotional grounds and GOD-given and all that, at a practical level it was not a pragmatic decision.

Let's take Annie's case, what is wrong if she slept with a guy who she loved or even her boyfriend. So many 18 yr. old's do it today. What is wrong? Why is it a sin?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Bri, trusting a man is not wrong but its a message that trust within your limits. Just with few pheras and candles around, its not a marriage that can be called as a legal marriage.

Annie's entry outside the mall had a reason behind it and I now get the meaning behind Cvs giving such an entry which started with a tiff with Geet(who was modern in thoughts yet knew where to draw a line) while Annie had commented that Indian traditions are the reason why girls and women still lag behind. She's made to eat her own words. Rather her modern thoughts will give her a jolt for the hastiness. What happened with Geet is fake marriage by NRI, with Annie's its pre-marital sex.

The folly that Annie made was that she should have waited! It can be repaired if she fights back and slams Arjun!
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Shreya: My question is why is pre-marital sex wrong? By what token is it wrong? In this day and age, what makes you say it is wrong? It is happening even to some 12th grade kids who are going and sleeping with their boyfriends.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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18 year olds sleeping with their boyfriends or someone they love is not unheard of in today's society. I am someone with slightly conservative opinions and hence will not get into whether I think it correct or not. But, I certainly have nothing against anyone who makes this decision for themselves.

Geet and Anne's lives cannot be compared for the simple fact that their experiences are different, their backgrounds are different. Geet is from a small town where even talking to another man in public is taboo. Geet thought she was married to the man she was sleeping with. She did not know she was being cheated. But Anne made a conscious decision for herself.

The thing I have against Anne's judgement is just this. She was told by Maan and Geet that Arjun was Naintara's brother, the Naintara who had wronged their family badly. Maan had explicitly told her to stay away from Arjun. Geet had informed her that Maan cannot stand Arjun. If I were Anne and had a brother like Maan who hated my boyfriend whom I love, I would have first tried to win my brother's confidence for my boyfriend before taking such a huge step, wouldn't you? I would have thought it apt for Anne not to go and sleep with Arjun on the night of Maan and Geet's wedding. She loves her brother. He is her rockstar. But she was thinking just about herself on his wedding? People attempted to murder Geet. Shouldn't she have been more concerned for Geet's life?

Maybe my problem is that I don't believe in blind love. Being in love should not make you this irresponsible (I am referring to her totally ignoring Maan and Geet at a time when they needed her).

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Posted: 14 years ago
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Guess Priti, we are expecting that every 18 yr. old should and must behave responsibly. I don't think that is how it is in reality.

I know a bunch of 18 yr. old's who ran away from home, with their boy friends. Or those who got married in far worse circumstances or worse ways. Who were sold or dragged down into the pits in the name of love.

There are a bunch of educated 18 yr. old's who are just nothing but teenagers who get caught up in the moment, who have a relationship and don't have any repercussions or regrets.

I think we need to look at Annie in the context of the current norms under which some 18 yr. old's choose to live or choose NOT to live. She is a reflection of the times and sign of the times and there is nothing atypical about her behavior.

Teenage romances do end up in heart break, infatuation, lust, hormones etc., and there is nothing new to it - there is no need for us to judge one so harshly
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Bri, Pre-marital sex is not wrong, if the couple can take the responsibility of the consequences. If they talk about what if, well in advance. Cuz even if protection is taken, its not always 100% that can be avoided.

Like Priti said, if Annie knew that Arjun has a casanova image, she had seen him flirting with Taasha earlier, seen his I listen to noone attitude, she should have thought twice before submitting completely. That's the reason why we dont sympathize with her, unlike Geet who had no idea that her husband would abandon her at the airport the very next day! When her brother and SIL had warned her to be careful, she shouldn't have been hasty.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Also, my questions to everyone are follows:

1. Why should we take everything in the context of our own morality?

2. Is that not a lopsided view and lop-sided argument to judge everything by our own limited knowledge or view or paradigm of morality?

3. Are we not a product of our environment?

4. So are we not trying to be judge and jury based on our own set of limitations and our own lack of understanding or lack of knowledge?

5. Are we not trying to make everyone live up to our own value system?

6. What if our own value system if flawed or the foundations on which our value system stands are itself flawed?
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Hi bri,

Agree with your post. Had posted something on those lines a couple of day ago...Unable to post the link to the thread and hence copy pasting the content.


here it goes........



Caught the rerun.

Even before I could rue missing it initally, I could see I wouldnt have missed much anyways. The SBB segment earlier on the day pretty much outlined what was worth looking forward to.

Yesterdays episode hinted at ' joote do paise lo ' sequence and Adi - Pinky naughty act hitting it off to a start was endearing.

Geet and Maan as always lit up the screen and our hearts with their air time. The two never had eyes for anyone but themselves but hey who's complaining.

Daar ji's bang on time for kanyadaan bit was leaked on SBB and the novelty had worn off. I had always hoped CV unite Geet and her family and they pull off the act to coincide with the wedding. Neat!

We all have come to be so fond of Geet that we are rooting for Maan to bring her every dream/wish/whims/fancies (also adding some of ours in the process) to materialise them.

Finally, Annie and Arjun.

I think they have been lamblasted enough already. Not only for their acting skills but also the air time they had come to consume. CV's strategy is best known to them.
In today's episode, they twosome beat the 'awesome' by miles to the.....well, you know what I mean, dont you.

Their whirlwind romance ( pre and post Arjun's character turning negative)defies logic. Not unexpected though. CV has a rich history of being on the erring side of logic and common sense.

The story was otherwise brewing to a boiling point and CV adds an undesirable concoction. As if picking a rookie wasn't bad enough they stoop to a new low- borrowing plot from 'K' series.

What started off as a family drama, meant to highlight social issues and a girl's fight for justice is slowly steadily sinking into a revenge saga.

First Nayantara. Brij comes next, and now Arjun.
Geet commanded, nay, demanded that audience relate to her. Her spirits to battle all odds, in face of numerous adversities and bring her unborn child into this big world connected with the audience.

Teens and adults alike reasoned that the wronged should claim her life back with dignity and self respect intact and the perpetrators of the crime be out behind bars.

That's a social responsibility with each of us and CV struck the right chords there. Maan's character was the perfect foil and despite a million rationality being tossed around carelessly, the character's righteousness ensured wecome to love the lead pair.

Today the two have come a long way on the show and the characters are etched on our minds forever. And then CV rocks the boat and is in for a free fall.

The dead rising from the ashes, marital disharmony, revenge-avenge plot,extra marital affairs, children outside of wedlock, way ward brothers and sisters, general lack of morality, betrayal, in law horror, evil daughter in law, pregnancies from all plausible reasons ranging from rape, consensual to raging hormones?

Sounds familiar? They are the chief elements in most or all of the shows that run daily across 100's of channel. Take a look at each in singularity and I demand to know why GHSP should be any different?

The answer probably lies in the treatment of these elements and blending it into the story without any of them sticking out like an eye sore. And then things change and it's been such a let down.

Annie making out with Arjun under the same roof as her brother's wedding is unacceptable. It's a new low for CV. We understand dramatics. Bringing in Brij and Nayantara right when the wedding bells toll was theatrical enough. A la Parineeta act was entirely expendable.

I recall the scene from one of the earliest episode when Geet sneaks out of her home to meet Maan and asks him for the agent's contact number who sold the plot to him. Maan was condescending to her and alludes to her presence in his house at that hour in a very bad light. Geet nearly slaps him but restrains herself and says , " you were right about not using force / strike a blow to the helpless.And something about?aapki soch bhi utni hi choti hai?."

For a man as principled as Maan, CV deemed fit that Arjun delivers the blow where it hurts the most. And so, they contrive the story to portray a man taking advantage of a woman to put his plan through.

Now those of you raising an eyebrow at the word ' advantage' can rest easy. CV actually has a social message in there. We need to read between the lines.

Annie is educated, loved by her family and like any other teen given to whims and fancies. That could be any one of the million teens out there. But CV takes it a step further to paint a picture of stupidity beyond belief.

So if a girl like Annie can fall to charming deception, shed her inhibitions along with clothes, it could happen to be just about anyone in real world.

I do believe in love at first sight. And if we dint believe in love we wouldn't be following GHSP today. Yet, Annie-Arjun's romance is unacceptable to us

Why

Because it is running parallel to the all important wedding track?

Because it is gaining momentum by leaps and bounds in comparison to the snail paced wedding and consuming equal if not more air time on the show?

Because we are deeply passionate about the impact of it on Maan-Geet track?

OR

Because, it's beyond our sensibilities to see a man-woman fall in love in a matter of days?

Because, they compromise on social norms and indulge in promiscuous behavior?

Because, Annie's character is portrayed as one with 'easy' virtues?

Aforementioned are 2 set of reasoning. One from the story PoV and the other from a social PoV. Do put your thinking caps on and reconsider why GHSP appeals to you.

I don't want to sound like a saint or be preachy but I was sold to the concept that the show was addressing a social evil. It was being done in an immensely appealing fashion, targeted the youth, oozed innocence and simplicity, did not resort of shenanigans or exaggerations, kept the fun factor intact, had lead actors working their magic on us and we fell to these charms despite a wayward storyline.

It has increasingly, overwhelmingly and obsessively boiled down to Geet and Maan today.No offense to all Geet-Maan fans. They are the reason I am still watching the show. I am merely thinking aloud.

Why was Chak De India, Rang de basanti, Fashion such big hits? Only because they had good performances? I highly doubt that. All 3 were youth oriented movies and they held a message there in?

Even "Paheli" has stupenduous performances and even nominated in a category for the Oscars. It was a major dud despite the stars. Why? Because one din't connect to it?

Its time we look at the big picture and draw conclusions than to go with the flow of widespread emotions.

Long after the show wraps up on Star One I want to remember the story as a fairytale. Not as a show that had a sister getting cosy and comprising her own moral values as also putting the household honor at stake.

Now that's a double edged sword. 'Honor'. Define it.

Why is that when Geet's family ask her to abort the child and keep mum over the betrayal for the sake of family honor we find Geet's rebellion righteous.Because Geet believes it is right? She has been wronged and she wants to keep the baby and wage a lone battle against social prejudices governed by a male dominated society. Therefore, Geet is actually exercising her free will. Geet conceived as a result of a con job. She din't know she was part of a bigger plan.

Now let's consider Annie.

She is a spoilt, rich brat, used to getting things her way and like most teenagers with a very dismissive attitude to speak of. Along comes a man she feels is a perfect match to her. She doesn't wait to be asked and is the new age womanmaking the first move. She believes she is right in choosing her partner and exercise her will.

So?

She isn't the first woman on planet to be duped by charms of a man.

She isn't the first woman to give into raging hormones.

She isn't the first woman to lie about her love escapades.

She isn't the first woman to prioritize love over family.

She isn't the first human being who is just plain stupid.

But she is branded stupid? Too forward? And to use words used in other threads on this forum?badtameez, naalayak, chaalooo , fast?so on and so forth.On the show it's a complete circle. Annie will pretty much land in same situation as Geet was at the beginning of the show.

Today we are tolerant of live in's, divorces, bigamy, consummating prior to tying the knot and we label this as personal freedom and free will. I for one will respect a choice and can live with that. But there is no need for me to measure it up against my set of values and ethics. To each his own.

The reactions on the thread devoted to Annie and Arjun is vicious purely from the story PoV. I was hoping to see someone look at the issue in totality beyond just the story.

If I needed to preach I would have turned a social activist or worse still join hands with National Commission for Woman and actually do something than write posts on a forum dedicated to the entertainment industry.

Valid point. However, the motive here was to draw on the thought process of the common man. You and I. We are the audience. We are part of the society. The same mass that CV is trying to cater by way of entertainment. We are part of that society which unites to give Jessica Lal case a retrial. We united to express solidarity to an earthquake or a flash flood in the same breath as we were outraged over a powerful nation flattening another, for rhyme and reason best known to them, as if it owned the world.

Yes I watch the show to escape from the reality of it all. Commercial formula based movies are a run away hit and its poorer cousin from "art house" meet with debacles at the BO. A perfectly good show is taking on unwarranted burdens upon itself and ruining the essence of it. That's my grouse.

Yes, you can ask me to shut up with my lecture and take it elsewhere. Well. I would. For now. I will try and leave my brain out of this in future and stick to cutesy posts.


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Posted: 14 years ago
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Shreya: Where does sympathy come in? What about understanding and respect as to "each their own." Sympathy or lack of it comes only from your subjective evaluation of something based on your own value system as to what is right and what is wrong to your own set of values, principles and guidelines or strictures or stipulations.
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Posted: 14 years ago
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Brilliant God Help Us :)) Lovely viewpoint and I was glad to read that post of yours

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