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Posted: 10 years ago
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I am glad to know that you are making progress with Everest, my pet, but it deserves better than this temperate praise, Sandhya!

You say nothing about the truly delightful little asides - two of which I had mentioned, and also the conversation between Akash and the taxi driver - the naturalness of the interactions between Anjali and Akash, the subdued, mellifluous background music that never, as is invariably the case in most other serials, drowns out the words, the realism of the scenes between Col. Abhyankar and Anjali first, and then between him and Roongta/Arjun/Akash later.

Then there is the trick of going into silent mode during conversations - between Akash and his Shikamaa, between Akash and Anjali as she is holding forth spiritedly and he gazes at her vivid face in silent pleasure - it saves them having to think of snappy lines - and the silence as he shoots photos of her on that ridge.

Anjali may not be the greatest actress ever, but nor is anyone else on TV that I can think of. Why, the cardboard heroine in Ek Hasina Thi makes Anjali look like Sarah Bernhardt!

Anjali has a delightful smile, her character is simple, like a clear brook, and she does not need to act, just to be. I was pleased that they have tied up the scene where she chases and captures the eve-teaser (a ridiculously anodyne term if ever there was one!😡) - which was, as I realised even then, meant to show us how athletic she is - with her climbing up the water pipe to Col.Abhyankar's office, backpack and all, and then winning the 8 km race from the NIM to the town and back.

Milind Gunaji is perfectly cast as Col. Abhyankar. The skill of the director comes to the fore when, after listening to Arjun's impertinent and foolish comments on why he should lead their
Everest expedition, Abhyankar does not lose his cool and boot him out. Instead, his response is a classic of its kind, and it shuts Arjun up good and proper. And yet -and here is where the realism comes in - Abhyankar does not let this faux pas of Arjun's affect his attitude towards Arjun's training, and treats him with the same, conscientious attention and thoughtfulness that he would have given a favourite student.

Arjun has a very oddly shaped face, and a veneer of arrogance that is a cover for a deep seated well of guilt about a terrible incident in his recent past - but for that you have to come up to Episode 12.

These are the things that stand out and set Everest apart from the common junk that passes for TV entertainment. The undisciplined and loudmouthed biker gang is a tiresome cliche, the sole stereotyped element so far.

Come tonight, and you and I will both be back with the snivelling Salim, the weepy Jodha Begum, the Azeem-o-Shaan Shahenshah making hypocritical statements like Hum aapke jazbaat ki kadar karte hain.. or Aap hamari sab se azeez dost hain.. and so on, while continuing on his own path, and of course Nadira of the pouting lips and the purple dress, not to speak of the traditionally wheezy Fatima Bi. bent over double as is the rule for any grandmother in TV.

And the bulk of the habitues of Khushi's threads will revel in it because there is Jalal, at times, if they are lucky, in the hammam too!😉 Well, I can barely stand it now, Jalal or no Jalal, and at times he is the worst of the lot, raving and ranting, and babbling about his care for the mustaqbil of the son he plans to leave, if need be, in that hovel for his sari zindagi.

I am content with Everest for very many reasons. It will help me survive the other shows, for one thing! I have written to Ashutosh Gowarikar, whom I got to know at the time of his Jodhaa Akbar, to tell him so. I hope it does at least reasonably well.

Shyamala Aunty

PS: Did you ever see Rajat Kapoor, who has otherwise made a career of playing sleazy corporate tycoons, in Bheja Fry? Now that was a classic of the genre, and he was a perfect foil to Vinay Pathak's looniness.

Originally posted by: Sandhya.A

Aunty

Watched the next 5 episodes.

Uttarkashi is so beautiful. Brings back memories of my school days, but we don't have snow in our hill stations. No rivers either.

Aakash is good. His warm and good hearted personna comes through well. But Anjali's expressions are so limited. I shouldn't complain that Paridhi is less talented than Rajat. She seems better than other tv heroines around. This Roogta guy is so horrible . I have an uneasy and creepy feeling whenever i see him after seeing him in Corporate.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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My dear Charu,

I too am very pleased to have you here with me. As you will see from my response above to Sandhya, Everest and its gentle pleasures have been growing on me, and these days, I look forward the most to 10 pm on Star Plus.

All the more so as Jodha Akbar is plummeting to new depths, and even Jalal gets on my nerves with his OTT takes on many scenes. Which is really the worst of all, for I adore Rajat and always have very high expectations of him. I seem to be at odds with practically all of my young friends over this last. I have no hopes of anything improving either, so Everest is doubly welcome!

To revert, as for the to get Dad's love rationale, it is there to tug at the audience's heartstrings, of course! A girl's personal ambition would hardly have the same emotional pull for our viewers, would it? The good thing is that Anjali is a perky little thing, not given to weeping or being down in the dumps.

My dear, you are very flattering, but during my 38 years in the diplomatic service, I have naturally had a lot of interesting experiences, the only problem being that the best of them are confidential and cannot be revealed, thanks to the Official Secrets Act! If you PM me your e-mail id, I will send you something about my work that might amuse and interest you.

Shyamala Aunty


Originally posted by: chitterati



Hello aunty,

Great to see you here, I was missing the action on forum after an action packed episode...for me the show certainly does seem to have a bound script, and no SBS stuff, that's reason enough to rejoice. I liked the pace of the episode, but did find the "have to do this to get dads love" reason OTT, why can't female protagonist be shown to have ambitions minus the shadow of family reasons! Anyway my tolerance level has notched up coz of a certain show ;) so muaf kiya !

Btw, I can't believe someone can fit so many experiences in a lifetime, you truly are a treasure trove of fascinating real life tales. So glad to have connected with you.



Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Nels,

So we meet again after Yudh!

First thing, we do not need to worry that this one will go on and on endlessly, for there is apparently going to be just one season, and it was mentioned in an article that most of the shooting had been completed between December 2013 and September 2014. I am sure Ashutosh Gowariker will soon bury himself in Mohenjodaro with Hrithik, and will have no time for writing and producing a longwinded TV show.

Second, the art director is clearly competent, and the sets looked very realistic, and not flashy or over opulent regardless of the characters and their financial status. The bungalow looked like a proper senior Army officer's house, and Akash's place too was properly and credibly set up.

Third, the supporting cast is excellent, with Manish Choudhury, Suhasini Mulay and Rajat Kapoor for starters and more, like Milind Gunaji and Mohan Kapoor to come.

Of the core trio of newcomers, I liked the young man who played Akash, I think he is Rohan Gandotra. His fit of claustrophobia-cum-vertigo in the lift was extremely convincing. The girl who plays Anjali looks ok, but it is, as you have noted, early days yet.

I can see that the girl child theme is going to be pushed with a vengeance. Col. Rawat's obsessive longing for the son he can never have, which keeps him from valuing the treasure he has, is both very sad and very depressing. I suppose that apart from the good old naam aage le jaanewala mantra, there is also the macho angle involved, of having his son follow him into the Army and do even better than he has done in actual combat. Where the Indian Army does not allow women soldiers to venture, at least not yet.

I wished that Anjali had not gone for the cliched smashing of her State topper award. And since when do such university awards look like a beauty contest trophy for Miss Ghatkopar? 😉A glass thingy on a base? University toppers get gold medals.

Like you, I loved the opening segment, a thriller if ever there was one. I was holding my breath as Anjali was negotiating the ladder-bridge, and I came clear out of my chair when she fell. If nothing else, this serial is going to have some spectacular sequences that will surely top even this one.

I have something of an Everest connection, though I have never been a mountaineer. At the very beginning of my 38 years as an Indian diplomat, I was the Indian Vice Consul in Geneva in 1973, when the 20th anniversary of the first climb of Mt. Everest by Edmund Hilary and Tenzing Norgay was celebrated in Geneva, at the residence of the famous Swiss mountaineer Raymond Lambert, who, along with Tenzing, held the then world record for the highest climb on Everest without oxygen, to within 800 feet of the summit, in May 1952. Just a year before Tenzing finally reached the summit with Hillary, on May 29, 1953.

He lived on the 6th floor of a building where I lived on the 1st floor, and we had become good friends with his whole family.As I was the Indian diplomatic representative in Geneva, I was requested to host a reception in our flat for all of mountaineer colleagues of Lambert's, to be followed by dinner at the Lambert residence, and of course I agreed.

Besides Tenzing, who was charmingly shy, and Major Kohli, the head of the Indian Mountaineering Institute, and of course Raymond Lambert, there were Maurice Herzog, the conqueror of Annapurna and then the Mayor of Chamonix in the south of France at the foot of Mont Blanc, Reinhold Messner, the first to reach the Everest summit without oxygen, and several others. I was very young then, and I just looked at all these heroes of the ice slopes and sat and listened to their insider talk. It was truly an occasion to remember.

In 2002, Lambert's son Yves and Tenzing's grandson Tashi climbed Everest in a Rolex-sponsored expedition. They took up to the summit, for the second time, a red and black scarf that Tenzing had taken with him on the 1953 climb. I saw it draped on a Buddha statue at the Lamberts when I visited them in 2004.

I had the good fortune of meeting the other Everest hero, Sir Edmund Hillary, at the Ministry of External Affairs in New Delhi in 1990, when I was a Joint Secretary and he was the New Zealand High Commissioner (Ambassador of one Commonwealth country to another) to India. He was a giant of a man, but very modest, and he was deeply involved in social welfare schemes for the Sherpas.

Shyamala B.Cowsik


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

I am glad to know that you are making progress with Everest, my pet, but it deserves better than this temperate praise, Sandhya!

Of course it does. But I was so taken in by Uttarkashi that I gave lesser importance to the other details.😃

You say nothing about the truly delightful little asides - two of which I had mentioned, and also the conversation between Akash and the taxi driver - the naturalness of the interactions between Anjali and Akash, the subdued, mellifluous background music that never, as is invariably the case in most other serials, drowns out the words, the realism of the scenes between Col. Abhyankar and Anjali first, and then between him and Roongta/Arjun/Akash later.

The taxi driver was so earnest in his invitation. Has tourism really gone down in uttarkashi post floods...marina was full within a month of tsunami..😲

yes aunty, the anjali-abhyankar convo was so natural. anjali just stumbled on her words to express herself in 30 secs...no high sounding expressions and bhaashans.

and why does arjun show off so much...roongta was trying his best in corporate style to control damage. and his nightmare... Yet he holds his teacher (?) in Delhi in high regard, and also treats Abhyankar respectfully during training.

Why do I feel that it might be Arjun who had the fatal fall in the first episode of the serial?

Then there is the trick of going into silent mode during conversations - between Akash and his Shikamaa, between Akash and Anjali as she is holding forth spiritedly and he gazes at her vivid face in silent pleasure - it saves them having to think of snappy lines - and the silence as he shoots photos of her on that ridge.

That was a very picturesque shot. 😳

Anjali may not be the greatest actress ever, but nor is anyone else on TV that I can think of. Why, the cardboard heroine in Ek Hasina Thi makes Anjali look like Sarah Bernhardt!

Anjali is very athletic and it suits the character. That heroine of Diya aur bati hum in her police uniforms looks so funny. she is kathirikkaikku kaiyum kaalum muzhaichamadhiri...
neither has the body language of a police woman. Even the adds in the break are unbearable. Wonder how it is show no 1.



Arjun has a very oddly shaped face, and a veneer of arrogance that is a cover for a deep seated well of guilt about a terrible incident in his recent past - but for that you have to come up to Episode 12.

.he doesn't look like one who would feel scruples for having left a fellow mountaineer to die and gone to scale his summit. And the guy didn't have sufficent oxygen to return. he would have died anyway. then why the guilt.


These are the things that stand out and set Everest apart from the common junk that passes for TV entertainment. The undisciplined and loudmouthed biker gang is a tiresome cliche, the sole stereotyped element so far.

do these gang types ever exist in reality or are they typical to our movies alone? why doesn't anyone complain against such unruly behaviour? that too in the training of the likes of col.abhyankar... and this spectacled bookworm guy [again there has to be one at every school/institute] may be he is going to help the opposing team win


Come tonight, and you and I will both be back with the snivelling Salim, the weepy Jodha Begum, the Azeem-o-Shaan Shahenshah making hypocritical statements like Hum aapke jazbaat ki kadar karte hain.. or Aap hamari sab se azeez dost hain.. and so on, while continuing on his own path, and of course Nadira of the pouting lips and the purple dress, not to speak of the traditionally wheezy Fatima Bi. bent over double as is the rule for any grandmother in TV.

😃😆

And the bulk of the habitues of Khushi's threads will revel in it because there is Jalal, at times, if they are lucky, in the hammam too!😉 Well, I can barely stand it now, Jalal or no Jalal, and at times he is the worst of the lot, raving and ranting, and babbling about his care for the mustaqbil of the son he plans to leave, if need be, in that hovel for his sari zindagi.

😃😆

I am content with Everest for very many reasons. It will help me survive the other shows, for one thing! I have written to Ashutosh Gowarikar, whom I got to know at the time of his Jodhaa Akbar, to tell him so. I hope it does at least reasonably well.

aunty, i loved the ja movie...but there was something sloppy about the screenplay in the second half. ash though very beautiful looked old. hrithik though brilliant looked funny when he screamed 'shariffuddin'...he was nowhere near our boy wonder in expressing rage...but yes he danced infinitely better.


Shyamala Aunty

PS: Did you ever see Rajat Kapoor, who has otherwise made a career of playing sleazy corporate tycoons, in Bheja Fry? Now that was a classic of the genre, and he was a perfect foil to Vinay Pathak's looniness.

haven't seen bheja fry. is it good...

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My comments in blue, my pet.

Shyamala Aunty

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i did not know our gang is here😆..shyamala sandhya jodha akbar yahan bhi😆..after all abba huzoor is too good to ignore😉,,shyamala i too do not watch airlines anymore..too boring and cliched for me..two consecutive kidnappings turned me off..and everest i still have to catch on last week's epis..and that is why i dropped in to see whats happening and here to my surprise i see my lovely friends here🤗
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It is not really surprising; whenever there is a good show like Yudh and now Everest, you can be pretty sure of finding Sandhya and me there!

But I am delighted that you too are here, Mandy dearest. Especially since I am by now getting a bit tired of all that uncritical Abba Huzoor worship in page after page after page in the JA threads. It is almost like fangirling. I see that Khushi's thread consists mostly of shots of his in the earlier days, which speaks for itself.

Rajat can do much, much more than look yummy in the hammam, as we have all seen for ourselves in the early episodes. The plummeting quality of the script of late is dismaying, and poor Rajat is being boxed into a straightjacket that cramps his enormous talent.

After those two superb episodes the week before last, he is mostly merely going thru the motions, except occasionally, as when he surprises Murad and Salim at fisticuffs. That bit was amazingly good and so refreshing!

I only hope he does not, if he stays on as the older Akbar, fall back on the kind of raving and ranting he did in the Diwan-e-Aam scenes. I know all of you love him no matter what, but I don't, and if he continues to rant loudly like this at Salim it will be too much to take, at least for me. And a huge pity as well, for I adore him and I always want him to be at this best.

Already, Jalal is now giving morality bhashans to match Jodha's in the old days. So a sipahi is by definition not an insaan? What then, a haivaan or a jaanwar? It was ridiculous. I shall be glad when Jalal gets it all back in spades,and his Sheiku Baba's dil takes over and he refuses to obey his father. That is what an overdose of insaaniyat does to you!

I am also waiting to see how, and why, this nek dil Shahenshah , for whom justice is the same for all, opposes his son's marriage to that Nadira.

Everest is a very different show, and since it is written by Ashutosh Gowarikar, one can expect the tone to be maintained. There are no stars in the show, but I am very pleased with it so far. However, I am not thinking of doing episode analyses. Just enjoying the show, and looking in here once in a while.

It is good that you are watching Everest. If you have the time, do take a look at a post on mine on Pranii's thread here, at
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/everest/4216902/cant-a-girl-join-the-army
There is a fascinating account that I have included there, of the daughter of an Andhra farm-working couple, Poorna Malavath, who, on May 25, 2014, became, at 13 years and 11 months, the youngest person in the world to have scaled the 29029 feet high summit of Mt.Everest.

And the best and most reassuring thing about it , apart from the child's grit, determination and courage, is that Poorna was, along with some of her schoolmates, encouraged to take up mountaineering by a retired policeman. And her school, a part of the Andhra Pradesh Social Welfare Residential Educational Institutions, trained Poorna and several other students from her region for the climb. Not a fancy high end residential school in Dehra Dun, mind, but a simple school down there in the south where they would never have seen snow!

Of course, our Brig. Jagat Singh Rawat would never have heard of Poorna Malavath, nor of Bachendri Pal, Arunima Singh, Premlata Agarwal, and all the other Indian women who have done what he missed doing, climbed Mt. Everest.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: mandyg

i did not know our gang is here😆..shyamala sandhya jodha akbar yahan bhi😆..after all abba huzoor is too good to ignore😉,,shyamala i too do not watch airlines anymore..too boring and cliched for me..two consecutive kidnappings turned me off..and everest i still have to catch on last week's epis..and that is why i dropped in to see whats happening and here to my surprise i see my lovely friends here🤗

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Originally posted by: mandyg

i did not know our gang is here😆..shyamala sandhya jodha akbar yahan bhi😆..after all abba huzoor is too good to ignore😉,,shyamala i too do not watch airlines anymore..too boring and cliched for me..two consecutive kidnappings turned me off..and everest i still have to catch on last week's epis..and that is why i dropped in to see whats happening and here to my surprise i see my lovely friends here🤗


Mandy...do not miss the show...the inter student tiffs are cliched now. But the locations are lovely and it is no sbs stuff. I watched the whole of the last 9 episodes over weekend and I wasn't bored. The actual climb is surely going to be fantastic.

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