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Posted: 9 years ago
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I'm with Gaythri when she says "Thou shall not kill" to Ranaji.

IMO, her view on violence is shaped by Sethji, who told Kunwar that, ' Those days of settling disputes with the swords are over and it's time to resolve issues thr' dialogues".

Ranaji, is trained to fight just wars and has said, he'll pick up the sword only for a just cause.He can kill in self defense, and to defend the people and things he loves.

Y'day when he spared Avdesh, i think, he had decided to do that before RGD intervened, just as he spared Wilkie and BRM earlier.

G also knows his capacity to meet violence with violence and she did go out with armed men n picked the knife herself, when she was pushed to defend herself & her husband. She told RNJ the same during BRM track.


RaGa, seems to share the same views on bloodshed, probably have different trigger points.

I'm curious to see how far will G be pushed in this track, before she herself picks up the sword or as many tender hearted heroines have done in stalker movies egg, RNJ to "Kill him .. Kill him"


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Has dialogues solved the problem Simran. Mohammed Gori was let of by Prithviraj Chauhan. What was the end result. A kingdom lost a great warrior and a great king.
My question is should you wait till people like Awdhesh commit the most brutal things before killing him.
Arjuna spared Jayadrath when he insulted Draupadi. Did he had to see his son's blood to kill Jaydrath. Abhimanyu's death in chakravyuha was possible because Jayadrath was able to stop entire Pandava army with the boon he got from Lord Shiva to avenge the insult Pandavas gave him.
The kurushetra war was the result of many mistakes committed in the so called dialogue process to avoid the war. The war which wiped out generations could have been avoided if many right decisions were taken at the right time. Instead of one man, innocents died. That's the price you pay for saving people like Awdhesh.
Path to power is through blood. Unfortunately it is true. Only difference is why blood. For your selfishness or for the larger good of society. Do you want to occupy power or do you want to protect the society from a criminal. Really want to see who is going to pay the price of this decision.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^Shruthi, imo, violence only breeds violence and someone has to have the courage to stop the cycle.
Here, Ranaji stopped, the cycle that started with his grand-Dad.

didn't we get free of the Brits thr' dialogues?


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Posted: 9 years ago
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yaa, only to see the most brutal violence during independence. And the scars that still bleeds today. So was the freedom really without bloodshed ?
That's why I said why kill. Every killing is not violence. That is the mis interpretation people make. If a person is not killed at the right time, he will end up killing many.
Khandar Hijack of 2002 to free the dreaded terrorists. Because we kept those terrorists alive an innocent man lost his life. Who is to blame. And the terrorists were freed as ransom was kept on the life of innocent passengers.
Sometimes for the larger good of the society killing has to happen. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Maybe we will have to take the brunt of a killing or rather king has to. But he saves the society at large if he eliminates people like Awdhesh is my take.
And yes I am against those human right activists arguing for the life of rapists, terrorists, mass murderers allowing them to live and do more crimes in the society.
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Originally posted by: shruthiravi

yaa, only to see the most brutal violence during independence. And the scars that still bleeds today. So was the freedom really without bloodshed ?



Could a war with the Brits have avoided that violence and what we are facing today?
What happened after Indo-Pak wars or after the Gulf wars? Sadam said the mother of all wars will end violence and Bush said they would destroy WMD?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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@Simran I said purpose of the war. When a war happens for power, it will not end anything. Because it is done for selfish motives. To hold the power.
That is why BG becomes important where Krishna tells Arjuna why to fight the war. It is not to get the throne of Hastinapur, it is not to avenge the insult happened to them and Panchali. It is for larger good. And yes others become part and parcel of it.
And coming to whether war with Brits have avoided the violence. We don't know what would have happened if war happened with Brit. Because it didn't happen. But the dialogue that was made to avoid violence resulted in mass massacre, unspeakable violence, partition along religious lines and multiple wars post that between the neighboring countries. We can of course think if a war happened with Brits maybe partition wouldn't have happened. That bloodshed would have ended then and there and wouldn't have continued over the centuries.
So when a war needs to be fought, it has to be fought. Dialogues cannot push the issue under the carpet. It will surface one way or the other.
Also destruction is part and parcel of creation. For anything new created , there will be parallel destruction of something. Because you cannot preserve everything, you cannot destroy everything. Both has to be balanced.
Just see for leaving Awdhesh RNJ will pay the price. Someone near and dear to him is gonna get affected. Maybe it can be Rajmatha, maybe it can be Gayatri's parents.
So is killing fine after Awdhesh do something to RM or Gayatri's parents. Or should he be left then also.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Simran...the issue is not even about whether RNJ should kill or not...but about G's constantly telling him what he should or should not do...!
RNJ did what any fair minded warrior would do...to me, he would have never killed Avdesh anyway...he used the break in Avdesh's concentration to get himself a reprieve...but he was never going to kill him...besides Avdesh had not committed a crime that could be punished by putting him in a dungeon...RNJ did the right thing when he banished him as punishment for having lost the duel..!

Peace is and must always be the first choice...unfortunately there are times when you are pushed into choosing violence...however the violence kills part of you as much as it does your enemy..and that is the truth...!

RNJ is not bloodthirsty..but he will not hesitate to kill if he has to...which was proved when he stabbed his kidnappers...!

It would've been churlish of RNJ to have refused to accept Avdesh's gesture of conciliation of friendship...he did what he had to do...but clearly he was not overawed by Avdesh's goodness...that much was obvious...

Why he invites Avdesh to his home remains a mystery...I would really like to wait and watch..although after his offering the crown to Kunwar Chacha, I have sub zero expectations of the creatives..


However, I really admire the fact that RNJ is being written as an honorable King and an honorable man...!

P.S - I don't think Avdesh will turn into a good man...the fact that he harbours intentions towards G makes it doubly difficult...do you really get influenced by the goodness of a man whose wife you covet...I don't think so..!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: simran_singh_24

I'm with Gaythri when she says "Thou shall not kill" to Ranaji.

IMO, her view on violence is shaped by Sethi, who told Kunwar, 'that those days of settling disputes with the swords are over and it's time to resolve issues thr' dialogues".

Ranaji, is trained to fight just wars and has said, he'll pick up the sword only for a just cause.He can kill in self defense, and to defend the people and things he loves.

Y'day when he spared Avdesh, i think, he had decided to do that before RGD intervened, just as he spared Wilkie and BRM earlier.

G also knows his capacity to meet violence with violence and she did go out with armed men n picked the knife herself, when she was pushed to defend herself & her husband. She told RNJ the same during BRM track.


RaGa, seems to share the same views on bloodshed, probably have different trigger points.

I'm curious to see how far will G be pushed in this track, before she herself picks up the sword or as many tender hearted heroines have done in stalker movies egg RNJ to "Kill him Kill him"




@bold

Why can't she wield the sword herself if it comes to that?

If you have to catapult into super wohu league, you have to start doing these things yourself...like illustrious predecessors like Tulsi, Parvathi et al..😆

Seriously though, I would rather G acted herself than operated RNJ through remote control!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: BertieWooster



@bold

Why can't she wield the sword herself if it comes to that?

If you have to catapult into super wohu league, you have to start doing these things yourself...like illustrious predecessors like Tulsi, Parvathi et al..😆

Seriously though, I would rather G acted herself than operated RNJ through remote control!




I said that, because so far, RNj has given the final touch. RGD struggled, pieced info together in Sulu & BRM cases and RNJ finally sent them away.

She might Betrts.
The hand that wears chudiya can pick up the sword dialogue could be a hint.
BTW, Gopi Wohu also took up Trishul.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I don't think Rana would have liked him anyway to be honest and I think that's the reason Rana is angry at gayatri she stepping in to tell him something he is already capable of judging for himself ..

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