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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Infofan

I am wondering if the FL centric track was for TRPs or because Tiwari uncle is fond of the actor? This rather painful track butchered RNJ and RM's characterizations and the balance in the story! All three of these main actors can emote very well and it has been unfair to the other actors IMHO.



I would really like to see the RM and Ranaji of yore back...they need more scenes together...and not just to form a fan club for the FL...Sid and AR strike sparks off each other...!


I am really tired of these silly conspiracy tracks..why can't they at least make them intelligent..the treatment is too countrified at the moment...!





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Posted: 9 years ago
I think the twist will have something to do with Cheetah.

remember Sultan? the half-brother who came to stake claim his legacy?😉
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Posted: 9 years ago

Interesting discussion on one of the writers of this show still having hangover of his previous shows with the same lead actress! Hmm...it happens, I guess. Scripts are written only with a person in mind to enact the same. But at least try some other genre or some better characterisations. Same story in a different setting is boring!!! Old wine in new bottle, eh? Isn't it? Or do audience also hav such hangovers?? Strange! 😃 At least when you watch Jason Statham doing the same thing in Transporters, the story is different, so, you are glued!!

Daily soaps, I say, some of them are so predictable and boring!! 😃 I hope its not Cheetah...

I wonder why actors are also not taking risks? Stagnant careers? Playing the same kind of roles again and again? 😕 Aren't they keen to challenge themselves to come out of their comfort zones? I admire Kritika Kamra, Sangeeta Ghosh, Gautami Kapoor, Simone Singh, Sakshi Tanwar etc...they hav taken up varied roles and proved their versatility. 👍🏼 I am watching Dhrashti Dhami for the first time and she is definitely above average. Why restrict yourself, if she is doing that...



-Rekha
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Posted: 9 years ago
Commenting first time here about Tiwari uncle writing for FL only 😛 first of all Tiwari joined just 1 month back before that also Rana's character always same from very begining he never investicated who did bomb blast and Never listen or give her chance to clear his doubt this Marriage ..he used to trust others Wilkinson,BRM words over Gayatri's or Rajmata Now i want to know where Tiwari burturtured his Character and his brain ? yes we can say his character is same not developed except he now love Gayatri but doesnt believe as usual
And Deseua you said ur watching DD's show first time ...watch her Previous show Geet, Madhubala and now as Gayatri where she Explored Grey shades first time just bcoz new writter Tiwari is same of previous show he will not write same character traits
Thats all Bye
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: Infofan

I am wondering if the FL centric track was for TRPs or because Tiwari uncle is fond of the actor? This rather painful track butchered RNJ and RM's characterizations and the balance in the story! All three of these main actors can emote very well and it has been unfair to the other actors IMHO.


I think it has more to do with the channel and writer both
The channel seems to want trps..that's their priority and they think showing a FL centric track is the way to go..so just like other shows with high trp..say kKB, gopi vahu show etc..they are trying to do the same
The writer is at fault coz he seems to know only extremes..two of his shows that I saw..MB and RR, both had stilted focus..albeit on ML..the FL leads were given a raw deal..that's happening here too..but for the ML (maybe coz of channel interefernce)

Very few writers can strike a balance in the story..and unfortunately neither ST nor Neelanjana seem to be able to do it

There are several other relations they can explore too apart from RaGa..like RNJ-RM, Gayatri-Govind Seth, RNJ-Swarna, Gayatri-RM (not the way it is being done currently) but alas all they crave is trps..and unfortunately they seem to be getting it too :(
What do we non trp junta know
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Posted: 9 years ago
@Danseuse

I don't think Drashti is afraid of taking new roles, and challenge herself, but one never knows how things would turn in TV industry after and whether the initial characterizations would be kept intact or not, if you see at it Drashti played different roles, she was a Doctor in Dil Mil Gaya (haven't watched it though), she was a small town girl Geet who was abondoned by her husband carrying his baby to discover that her marriage was just fake, she faced her family's regressive thinking, they tried to compell her to abort and even tried to kill her but she showed big strength for an 18 years old girl and she went to Mumbai (I guess not sure about the city) to look for a new life and defend her baby (obviously Maan was always there in her life even before she gets married, and if there was something interesting about Maan's character it's that he always encouraged her to stand for herself without expecting much help from others though he was always there for her) . When she took up Madhubala it was a challenging role, how a girl who doesn't aspire to become a heroine will be compelled to be one and become a legend, now it's not her fault that things didn't go well as expected, maybe audience didn't connect to that or maybe Cvs didn't know when and how to bring the heroine track, I can't say but story and role were interesting and now she took up a role of a queen, how a girl a commoner one would become a rani and win her king and praja's hearts, how she would be able to adapt herself to royalty yet bring in her personal touch and personality to her new role in life! So I don't see any problem in the actress choices, maybe Cvs should be the ones to keep characterizations intact even when they try to cater to TRP audience which is a tough challenge! But yes maybe if she goes for finite shows it would be better, as it can have a kind of garantee that story won't be altered much, but from what I heard about Tumhari Pakhi even finite series can be stretched when they fetch high TRPs!! (watched Tumahri pakhi only for the first 6months way before that singapore track, do don't know what happened I stpped when Anshuman got those fake pregnancy reports) so basically there is no guarantee!!
Edited by arshisfan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
Just a note for the forum members in general -

We are discussing about TRPs and the CVs writing, presentation and execution, the story and onscreen characterizations!

We are NOT criticizing any actor!! We have been quite generous in our praise for both the leads and even the other actors on this thread.
Edited by Infofan - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago

These two are adorable even offscreen..if only the CVs knew what to do with them
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: QueenElsa

Commenting first time here about Tiwari uncle writing for FL only 😛 first of all Tiwari joined just 1 month back before that also

1- Rana's character always same from very begining he never investicated who did bomb blast and


2- Never listen or give her chance to clear his doubt this Marriage ..

3- he used to trust others Wilkinson,BRM words over Gayatri's or Rajmata

4- Now i want to know where Tiwari burturtured his Character and his brain ? yes we can say his character is same not developed except he now love Gayatri but doesnt believe as usual

And Deseua you said ur watching DD's show first time ...watch her Previous show Geet, Madhubala and now as Gayatri where she Explored Grey shades first time just bcoz new writter Tiwari is same of previous show he will not write same character traits
Thats all Bye
Have a good time
Those who are asking that Bangle is DD's real Bangle 😊



Not to defend, but I try to analyze things deeply for both lead characters, I'm not biased to one of them, I love both and I want both strong, intelligent, good at heart, because besides their individual journeys which are very interesting for me I also want to see their love story and let's face it the show as promised is about an epic love story of a king and a queen that has never been witnessed by history before! so when I started watching I wanted that, I wanted both good interesting characters and a good love story, obviously good side characters are a plus and would only add to the charm of the show like Rajmata, Sethji...

I've been a silent reader before becoming active, I know you never liked Rana's character, you watch the show for DD/Gayatri and also for RM I guess, you were even fond of BRM-RM tit for tat before but as a person who watch the show for the love story and for both lead characters and not only one, if you don't mind let me bring in my 2 cents to some of the points you mentioned in your post 😊

@ Bold 1 Ranaji didn't investigate the first bomb blast (attempt on his life in the first episode) because he was quasi-sure that it was his Kunwar Chacha who planned it, you can tell from his dialogues and looks back then. But in the second one which happened in the wedding day he tried to investigate, he asked his sepahis to look in the whole palace, he came up with that bright idea of bringing all sepahis and put their hands on fire as there would be remainings of barod or something like that in their hands, now our king is also a good person so he helped Laksh when he pretended fainting missing the opportunity to see Saroj who wiped his hands by then. Ranaji wanted to follow Saroj when he attempted to kill Gayatri, he even throwed a knife on him but again his big heart made him stay for Gayatri to check on her, Ranaji also wanted to check Kunwar chacha's safe, but conveniently for story and for Kunwar chacha to not be disclosed soon, they all run to check on Saroj's body when someone was screaming! Ranaji also felt that Chacha might be responsible for that attack on Gayatri by the goons (the ones sent by Lakshraj) and he went and he warned him, he also kidnapped Chacha to make him confess about Gayatri's shooting accident, maybe he got sure that Chacha wasn't responsible this time, but what other options or suspects could he have?!! Still I agree with you he should have investigated further but he kind of was busy taking care of Gayatri. I totally agree with you on the last bomb blast, he should have investigated, at least check the remains of the car, talk to the head of security anything, but I guess Cvs were building the drama about Sula and BRM so they didn't give that any further attention though we can't forget that Ranaji promised Gayatri that he will find who was responsible for that, I wish Cvs concentrated on him to show what he was doing when he was alone whether he was trying to investigate or not but as you can see they had their focus on Gayatri, BRM at the cost of Ranaji!!!

@ Bold 2- Well I think he wanted to tell her everything, it seemed to me he was ready to talk in the beginning, in the engagement day, he asked her why she lied to him and if not for that statuette that fell down maybe he would have talked further with her and listened to her, also he wanted to tell her on their way to drop her in her house, but somehow he didn't (obviously Cvs didn't want Gayatri to know before marriage), after marriage I don't know what they did to his character for a while, they made him look snob for a while, and there were lots of events, he was trying to adapt to the new situation maybe, but overall he wasn't really rude to her, though I expected him to be more courteous, I think what irritated him is the fact that she was being fake and pushing things by trying to play the good wife, when all she wanted was the Rani status, he was ok with her wanting to be a Rani, he thought it was part of the deal and he was always ready to treat her and respect her that way, but what irritated him and made him treat her harshly at times is the fact that she was being fake about what she wanted, the fact that she was playing wife, always being near, bringing him coffee, and if that wasn't enough she even wore his dead wife's SR attire, and what made him believe she is fake is when she said she won't be back yet she came back. I think there were times, fractions of seconds when he believed she was innocent, but again something used to happen and trigger his doubts. I know he was at fault at times, but he was just being cautious, he didn't want to fall for the innocent face that lied to him before even marrying him, obviously there is that other theory that he wanted her to be fake to stay loyal to his dead wife!

I used to watch and walk away during these days, didn't pay attention to expressions intently, I might rewatch some episodes again and find more clues!

@ Bold 3- I don't think he trusted Wilkinson just aise hai, he obviously knows Wilkinson can't be trustworthy, but it's not like he had blind trust in her either, first he asked her where she was, Swarna interrupted them and then he thought why would I trust Wilkinson, but when he saw that payal along with the letter, and he knew his wife was outside at night and her payal was missing, he behaved like a husband!! can't say it was wise or a king's behavior but I understand that he was hurt as a husband, and maybe he cared for her more than he admitted thus he judged her as a husband not as a king, and not only as any husband, as a husband who believes already she might be fake and all that matters to her is the queen status! when she slapped him in the jungle date, for a second one would think that he really believed her and her hurt, but then she had to utter exactly the thing that he had doubts about, she said main bhi amerkoot ki rani hoon, she didn't say she is a girl who has izzat so what if she is a commoner or how come a fair king can judge her without a trial , she just brought it back to her being a rani hence bringing his doubts to surface again!! (I read this idea somewhere and I found it interesting actually!)

@ Bold 4, I feel his character was butchered, while he still is the same emotional fool ruled by his heart man, his perceptiveness and his intelligence they showed before (I mentioned some signs of that in the first point) are gayab now!!


Anyways I think in that Sula and BRM tracks his character underwent lot of butchering and the only character which benefited to some extent is Gayatri's, she was shown as the woman who loves unconditionnally (which I don't doubt I love her for that) and the intelligent wife who always saves her husband (I don't mind it, rather I like intelligent, strong, ressourceful women but not at the cost of his character, at least they should show him the same way they used to in the beginning of the show)

As I said I love both and I want both to be equally strong and intelligent, they are husband and wife, I don't mind the wife to help her husband, save him, show him the way at times, she must have her own ideas too, and from her background she can add to his way of thinking but he can do the same, he is well educated, a royal, a man with principles, some experience and with a big heart too, she can learn from him too, why are they insisting on showing the heroine being flawless, and even if she does something stupid it's only for the hero, but they show the hero as the one who has lot of issues and his wife should be the one to help him through everytime, isn't it supposed to be a relationship where both help each other, both have their flaws and qualities and they compensate each other!!

Edited by arshisfan - 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: arshisfan

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I don't think Drashti is afraid of taking new roles, and challenge herself, but one never knows how things would turn in TV industry after and whether the initial characterizations would be kept intact or not, if you see at it Drashti played different roles, she was a Doctor in Dil Mil Gaya (haven't watched it though), she was a small town girl Geet who was abondoned by her husband carrying his baby to discover that her marriage was just fake, she faced her family's regressive thinking, they tried to compell her to abort and even tried to kill her but she showed big strength for an 18 years old girl and she went to Mumbai (I guess not sure about the city) to look for a new life and defend her baby (obviously Maan was always there in her life even before she gets married, and if there was something interesting about Maan's character it's that he always encouraged her to stand for herself without expecting much help from others though he was always there for her) . When she took up Madhubala it was a challenging role, how a girl who doesn't aspire to become a heroine will be compelled to be one and become a legend, now it's not her fault that things didn't go well as expected, maybe audience didn't connect to that or maybe Cvs didn't know when and how to bring the heroine track, I can't say but story and role were interesting and now she took up a role of a queen, how a girl a commoner one would become a rani and win her king and praja's hearts, how she would be able to adapt herself to royalty yet bring in her personal touch and personality to her new role in life! So I don't see any problem in the actress choices, maybe Cvs should be the ones to keep characterizations intact even when they try to cater to TRP audience which is a tough challenge! But yes maybe if she goes for finite shows it would be better, as it can have a kind of garantee that story won't be altered much, but from what I heard about Tumhari Pakhi even finite series can be stretched when they fetch high TRPs!! (watched Tumahri pakhi only for the first 6months way before that singapore track, do don't know what happened I stpped when Anshuman got those fake pregnancy reports) so basically there is no guarantee!!</font>



@arshisfan : I haven't watched any of the serials mentioned above so I cannot comment. But, I guess its the actors choice, at the end of the day. This soap ETR2 is (was) different till a month ago, when I stopped watching after Sulakshana's entry. 😃 In any case, I am not into the typical saas-bahu or bigamy tracks or worse the abused female lead etc, so, I guess its a personal choice. Just like how we earn our moolah by going to work daily, these guys do the same!! Its just that I am of the view that if you spend a decade or less of your life doing the same type of roles, its time to rejenuvate. Because the industry is flooded with young talent and age is a key factor while doing certain types of roles. Talent need not be wasted or restricted...that's all.



-Rekha

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