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Posted: 9 years ago
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Is he?
He says relationships can't rest on emotion alone. One has to "lead" and the other has to be "led". He says you need compatibility and a willingness to let go of self for a relationship to work, even if you are not convinced this is the right thing to do. He believes that sometimes to keep relationships intact, you have to sacrifice your ego, your self respect.

Today I wondered, Suman and Shravan both want the other to come first, express first, show the need first. Both expect the other to understand their feelings. Both have high expectations of others. Both seem to love the other (and seemed to have atleast in one point in time, said they know the other loves them too).

Tumhein ye zid thi ki ham bulate, hamein ye umeed wo pukaare...
Hai naam hotho pe abhi lekin, awaaz mein pad gai daraarein...
Badi wafa se nibhai tumne humari thodi si bewaafai...



Yet, they don't communicate openly. They cant agree on anything without offending the other. They have trust and abandonment issues. How coolly Suman could be convinced by Aditya to get his help, and how nicely she could even tell him how he was intruding, and he also took it in good stride. He really started loving her more because she was trying to make him a better person, and he tried to do the same, and she even took his advice.

These two people, no matter how much they love each other, take seconds to judge each other, and give up. They barely understand each other, and rarely introspect. Are they even in love? How will this relationship survive? To live a life with someone you need some common ground, some commonality in ideals. You need to look in one direction, and you need to agree to disagree at times, too.

I feel Suman has a better shot with Adi than Shravan, and ShraMan relationship will always be rife with confrontation, arguments and bickering. Sumo won't bow down to Chachi, and won't think twice before saying something against Varun. Sumo wont give up something she truly believes in unless proven wrong. Heck, she wont even say sorry without specifying she doesnt think she is wrong.

I am in no way saying Suman is wrong. All I am saying is how are these two going to survive without hurting each other for life?

He says relationships can't rest on emotion alone. So they have emotion, but they need that compatibility , that understanding, and that acceptance.

One has to "lead" and the other has to be "led" Doesn't always have to be Suman who is led, but they need to be okay being led, both of them. Suman more so than Shravan.

He says you need compatibility and a willingness to let go of self for a relationship to work, even if you are not convinced this is the right thing to do. Shravan has done it for family, and for Suman (he forgave her for trying to make him meet with Nirmala). But Suman hasn't shown this side of her to Shravan yet. She doesn't let go of her pride, and her self respect. She says sorry for this incident but rubs it in that she was right. She doesn't lose small battles to win a big war.

He believes that sometimes to keep relationships intact, you have to sacrifice your ego, your self respect. Suman may well do it, but she has shown to Shravan time and again, that her self respect, her family, her feelings, her financial condition are all she cares about. She knows Kamini chachi, understands its a love marriage so there is a need for Preeti to be accepted, and expects Shravan to trust that she never would want something bad for him, but finds it hard to trust Shravan when he makes suggestions on something she can do.

When Shravan offers a discount due to his contacts (just a real, genuine discount) for booking a better hall she takes offense, but when Adi lies about a discount and actually pays for a lehnga, she willingly takes it. She doesn't care about Kamini chachi, and her reputation enough to let go of her self respect and take Shravan's help, and doesnt even apologize because she wants Shravan to appreciate the effort she took in making this event a success and ignore the aspersions his family has to go through, kyunki logon ka kaam hai kehna... but when she likes a lehnga its no big deal if a friend paid for it.

There is just too much, just too much Sumo has done to convince Shravan his father was right.

PS: I am not justifying Ramnath or blaming Suman for anything. I am simply trying to analyze how Shravan got convinced about this over time...

On a diff note... Adi is very wrong in some instances (like bringing groceries for a ceremony that is essentially for the Malhotras), and is plain annoying. if he is annoying me, to socho Shravan ka to khoon hi boil ho raha hoga. And Mr sixth sense has not yet seen ShraMan are in love, hats off...👏

I will sign off with a beautiful song that so aptly describes ShraMan state today:

Hazar rahein mud ke dekhin
Kahin se koi sada na aayi
Badi wafa se nibhayi tumne
Hamari thodi si bewafai

Jahan se tum mod mud gaye the
Ye mod ab hi wahin pade hain
Hum apne pairon mein jaane kitne
Bhanwar lapete hue khade hain

Badi wafa se nibhayi tumne
Hamari thodi si bewafai


Kahin kisi roz yun bhi hota
Hamari haalat tumhari hoti
Jo raat humein guzari marr ke
Vo raat tumne guzari hoti

Badi wafa se nibhayi tumne
Hamari thodi si bewafai


Tumhe ye zid thi ke hum bulate
Humein ye ummid vo pukarein
Hai naam hoton pe ab bhi lekin
Aawaz mein pad gayi dararein

Hazar rahein mud ke dekhim
Kahin se koi sada na aayi
Badi wafa se nibhayi tumne
Hamari thodi si bewafai


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Relationship specially marriage do need a lot of compromise and letting go off ego and whatever ramu said. But it's sounds wrong coming from him as he didn't practice his advice himself. And even though I said marriage requires letting go I do not mean you let go of your basic principle and self worth which he asked Nirmala to do. Nir was right to leave ramu but wrong not to fight for her son.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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You write really well ! Read your other posts today and I have to agree with you ! Both Suman and shravan are flawed , but Suman more so. Shravan has put his ego aside in many instances ( khosla case etc) and tried to help Suman out. But I don't think Suman has reciprocated in any way. I think shravan's anger is totally justified. Suman proves time and again that she hasn't changed much from her teenage days, it's all about her.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I hope cvs show us why Sumon accepted that lehenga knowing aid paid for half of it. It just kills the whole self respect angle and makes her look like a gold digger if she doesn't give that money back to Aadi.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: noexcuse

Relationship specially marriage do need a lot of compromise and letting go off ego and whatever ramu said. But it's sounds wrong coming from him as he didn't practice his advice himself. And even though I said marriage requires letting go I do not mean you let go of your basic principle and self worth which he asked Nirmala to do. Nir was right to leave ramu but wrong not to fight for her son.


Agree. Actually in this show, all characters are partially hypocrites. They can be accused easily of what they are expecting in the other person. Ramnath, Nirmala, Sumo and Shravan all four of them, for sure. I said that on my earlier post from today also - that every taunt, every snide each character makes, they can first apply on themselves :)

Nirmala was not wrong when Ram accused her, but she was not respectful towards Ram also - and such is a fine line between self respect and ego, that you dont know when you will burn your bridges forever. Nirmala had self respect, but her arguments with Ram were quite caustic and condescending. In the end, both she and Ram needed to make compromises if not for each other than their son and both have failed as a parent. Nirmala more so in my eyes than Ram, because everytime I see what a masterpiece Adi is (adorable, cute, happy etc.) , I feel like it was the love Shravan deserved.

Tele serial mein hi log apni promises ko itna value karte hain, ki kuchh bhi ho jae, promise nahi todenge.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: noexcuse

I hope cvs show us why Sumon accepted that lehenga knowing aid paid for half of it. It just kills the whole self respect angle and makes her look like a gold digger if she doesn't give that money back to Aadi.


Specially after today - she should not wear that lehnga... Giving money doesn't mean anything, she should just not wear it to give Adi the message. But kal tak to proposal bhi mil jaega, to may be she wears it as it is Adi's , her would be's gift... Ugh, I just puked... when I even thought of that. The mess is so deep I dont know how cvs are gonna get out of this...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Punjabun

You write really well ! Read your other posts today and I have to agree with you ! Both Suman and shravan are flawed , but Suman more so. Shravan has put his ego aside in many instances ( khosla case etc) and tried to help Suman out. But I don't think Suman has reciprocated in any way. I think shravan's anger is totally justified. Suman proves time and again that she hasn't changed much from her teenage days, it's all about her.


Knowingly or unknowingly she has. :(.

And I seriously don't understand one thing. She does seem to come across as very image conscious in the end (to shravan for obvious reasons) but even look at her promise to ramnath. She promised him that she wont try to "get Shravan", so she starts rebuking him. But she secretly still wants him to come to her, so she starts making him jealous. So she wants to eat the cake and eat it to, and say I didn't break my promise, but he he too bad... Like who is she playing this game with? And, as if once Shraman confesses, everything will be normal?

If she has decided that she wants Shravan, she atleast should be nice to him (not overly friendly but why push him away so badly), and if she has decided she wanted to stick by her promise to Ramu, then so be it, have the guts to say bye to Shravan forever (not after today, after the promise). What's with these mind games?

Thanks for the appreciation though, means a lot :)
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ...MonaCo...


Agree. Actually in this show, all characters are partially hypocrites. They can be accused easily of what they are expecting in the other person. Ramnath, Nirmala, Sumo and Shravan all four of them, for sure. I said that on my earlier post from today also - that every taunt, every snide each character makes, they can first apply on themselves :)

Nirmala was not wrong when Ram accused her, but she was not respectful towards Ram also - and such is a fine line between self respect and ego, that you dont know when you will burn your bridges forever. Nirmala had self respect, but her arguments with Ram were quite caustic and condescending. In the end, both she and Ram needed to make compromises if not for each other than their son and both have failed as a parent. Nirmala more so in my eyes than Ram, because everytime I see what a masterpiece Adi is (adorable, cute, happy etc.) , I feel like it was the love Shravan deserved.

Tele serial mein hi log apni promises ko itna value karte hain, ki kuchh bhi ho jae, promise nahi todenge.


just one point i want to make here .. Nirmala raised him for 16 years. So she did give him a lot of love what shrav has become is the post 16 years
I do agree he needed the love but I think everytime we say she raised Adi its not fully true
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: spshastr


just one point i want to make here .. Nirmala raised him for 16 years. So she did give him a lot of love what shrav has become is the post 16 years
I do agree he needed the love but I think everytime we say she raised Adi its not fully true


She didn't raise him per se but those 16 years did have a positive influence on Adi, which Shravan was deprived of. Shravan dealt with his demons alone (even Sumo dumped him , though she was also a teenager). I am not saying that she raised him and is solely responsible for his nature, but she has been an extremely positive influence in his life. Just look at her no questions asked, love for him... I think you and I are both agreeing to the main concept here, but just using different means of saying it.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Hey I understand your POV but Sumo was always her real self with shravan and she took him for granted and both believed in each other ..just wish they had communicated ..Even. shravan should interrogate with each other rather than bickering...let other person do the talking ...listen...As well as Sumo listening to young Sumo advice was wrong she should not give up easily...Here both Shravan parents are ay fault ...high hopes on kamini chachi ...

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