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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: indranigupta

Rekha... my beautiful lady... thank you for this post🤗

I know how much I disturbed you, Red and J the whole night... because I did not understand it, couldn't reconcile to it. Thank you for telling me to watch it again... otherwise I would have missed the beautiful nuances and the acting of Namik Paul...

Yes, most of the time we watch a show with premeditated expectations.. .often enough coloured by what we have read or seen, by our own ideological leanings, our temperament and ofc, the olvs and spoilers doing the trick... In the bargain, as Red keeps on saying we forget the story itself and the character's consistency. Yes, every show can be improved, every nuances and shade can be bettered... but, that is beside the point... what is important in keeping with the storyline, did the episode work both for the plot and for the character?

My post is today related to the character, Shravan Malhotra... the man of contradictions...

Yesterday, we encountered him travelling by car and as destiny had preordained... his car broke down exactly at the point where Sumo was waiting to catch an auto. He saw her first without she realizing... and he could not keep his eyes off her. Just wanted to keep on looking at her... at will, at peace.. however, that was not meant to be. Because Sumo realized a pair of eyes was watching her intently...And then, Shravan's eye expressions changed.. an anger that he had been caught staring at her. ... Mask was instantly on. Yet, he could not help watching her, when he realized she was standing perilously close to a manhole. Few expletives are muttered under his breath... then again, his mind saying why do I care for her? No answers... or he isn't willing to listen to his heart. Says she can manage by herself.. not a kid is she (parallel to the injection scene). And he turns his car towards her (u-turn... parallel to the scene few days back when he had dropped her on the road, also, a parallel when he takes an u-turn during Daboo incident)... constantly looking at her and yet not stopping. Destiny helped.. yet he did not took hold of it?

But, here was the one of the many brilliant pieces of direction... he moves his car away from her.. yet his eyes look out for her, watch over her. Standing at the cross-section, the traffic light turn green.. symbolizing to move ahead.. to go on... to move on... yet, Shravan Malhotra stops his car and runs back. How could he have managed to do that?

BECAUSE HIS EYES NEVER LEFT HER... THE EYES WHICH WANTED TO SEE... ONLY HER... SAW HER AND NOTHING ELSE... GREEN LIGHT EFFECTIVELY MEANT GOING BACK TO WHERE SUMO WAS

Next piece of very good direction... he ran at break neck speed... and almost the whole surroundings is being blurred... because nothing else mattered... there was no need of voice, no sound, no dialogues... all you could see was a man trying to carry his life in his arms...He is screaming... but, dialogues are not required

Next piece of brilliance... when he was carrying her back to his car... it was in slow motion not only because he was carrying someone... because the weight of what he was carrying in his arms was wearing him down. He was carrying his whole world, the pain, the grief and despair will wear anyone down... the fact, that he managed to walk was because he knew that life meant.. living... And Sumo was his life... she had to live...

The hospital scene... he so wanted to be inside the operation room but, the doctor had to forcefully send him out... he was not shedding any tears... yet, his grief.. and the constant fb scenes of she being hit... was more than one could bear. He knew he was guilty (Rekha, I agree ... guilt, is not a very conducive emotion in love relationships... but, here I guess, it would be the first emotion apart from the sheer disbelief which was being enacted in his moving in an abject state... looking continuously at the operation door.. .seeking for a relief ... a relief which was not forthcoming)

And now here, I guess most of us.. including myself felt the disconnect. Primarily, we were trying to see the same intensity as we had once seen when his father's reported death news came. And secondly, the younger Shravan's response to his mother going away. In both cases, there was a finality... that none of them is going to come back. Hence, the overt dejection and grief. But, here is what I found brilliant (which I didn't earlier... you took me in that direction, Rekha.. thank you)... We were basing our expectations on what Pushkar had said to Sumo during the father's plane crash incident. What would be his intensity if and when he falls in love? And this is where most of us got it wrong...

Shravan Malhotra had been in love the last 10-12 years... his anger, his hurt, his very being was suffused by her presence... even when separated by a distance of London and Delhi. Though it might have been coloured by emotions of hate... he looked out for her... he watched her... she became his second nature. Was this accident track required for him to realize his love? No... an aspect which we all forgot...Was it to show the intensity of his love? Absolutely not... Why do I say so? Shravan wrote a love letter addressed to Sumo which unfortunately never reached its destination on time... Yet, ten years later, not only Sumo but Ramnath, Chachi had absolutely no problems in realizing that the adult, mature Shravan who has spent his last ten years in a different clime, in a different location is no different from the Shravan of yore. They all without any compunctions understood he is in love... He has not moved on. They felt his intensity in the very fabric of his existence... in the very layers of his personality. The poetry read by the adult Shravan was again written by the younger version... his whole life has been all about Sumo... she is his life. His u-turns all point in the same direction

He was a quiet boy.. sensitive almost given to hide his truer feelings for Sumo to himself... in fact, in the last ten years, he has been given to mask it even to himself... reading love as merely hate, anger.. or having moved on.

Ten years before, he had penned the letter... ending it with a question.. "Is it love?" He didn't bowl his lungs out even then...

Ten years later, his confession (which was again not spoken) was again subtle, not melodramatic... simple... as if he knew this was what it was all along (and which is true). His love doesn't need a feverish pitch to express itself... he has lived with this emotion of love... this is him. He is Sumo and Sumo is him (he had once crossed out the letter S, thinking it was Sumo without realizing the letter S begins his name as well). Interestingly.. the name that he writes on the form first is Sumo... the image of the girl he carries with him everywhere... a fighter, a girl who loved the geek, spectacled boy for what he was... the girl who could fight for a cause she believed in, a girl who could accept and win challenges. She will fight death... he knows it, he believes it. He has lived with it.

The relationship status that he filled... (could be linked further with the upcoming storyline... Red, J and you.. Rekha are better equipped to deal with this...) was of a friend. Again, the fbs shown were of young Shravan helping Sumo during the cycling incident... any other fb scene as yet has not been shown... This was good direction.. because he had helped her, consoled her, and had shared her grief then... now he didn't do it... the pain, the despair must have hurt. And because of which he was constantly looking at the operation theatre... realizing the enormity of what he had done. He had run away ten years before.. yet, at that time he could find certain answers for the same. Here, the only answer remained was to look at the operation theatre.. Alone. Having to see Nanu's grief, his pain as well... understanding that it is he who has done a grievous wrong. He did not stand up for her.. .when she required him the most. Is it a parallel to what Sumo did those ten years back, when she failed to realize his loss of losing a mother? Yet, Sumo was a mere child? He cannot hide behind any of those excuses... he will have to face this pain, him not taking responsibility for his love

And the anger will increase for himself and within himself... I doubt he will cry even in the later episodes.. it wont be a complete breakdown (at least not now)... If Sumo's injury is severe... Shravan Malhotra, will have no way out... He would have to fight for his love and for his mere existence... he cant be a bhagoda any longer. And as much as he starts fighting, his anger will be directed inward

I have to mention Ramnath.. he did a swell job yesterday. His first reactions on hearing Sumo's accident was almost as if he is planning what to do next... And with Nanu.. he was gentle...

Yesterday, most of us (including myself) did injustice to Namik Paul.. he was brilliant.👏 He is always good.. but, yesterday me of all people failed to realize it😡... Damn!

Sidenote, he has a wonderful handwriting (btw.. it has no bearing on the plot😆)

Only thing they could have improved was the accident itself... that was lame..

Red, J and Rekha... Sorry for disturbing you badly last night. Forgiveness😳

Rekha... thank you. Like, Shravan.. .no words are required, I believe, for you to understand what I feel right now🤗


PS: Watch the episode again everyone... a request. With a clear mind and heart

Love


Very nice analysis Indrani.
But this is because you have really sat down and thought deeply about the show and analyzed the depths of the characters. Which theres nothing wrong with and I do too. But do you really think the general audience that was expecting high simple emotions in a scene would? I have always admired the writer's respect for the audience's intelligence and the cvs for always surprising us. But sometimes you need to give the viewer what they expect. Being unpredictable is good to a certain point where it doesnt take away from the show and its connection. And here it completey backfired. I really love digging deep into the show and most of the time I do. But this time it shouldve been emotion > realism. Cuz a lot of times thats what grabs the interest and connection far more. I have lost that connection now thanks to this episode. And I really dont know how they'll gain it back.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: Eeshaal

Indrani , I remember your comments in LU thread ( at that point I haven't watch the show) , and coming from you and many other members I was scared to watch the epi bec I didn't want to be let down by something I had really high hopes for . But , after watching the epi I was surprised that how come you didn't like it? Was it her emotions getting better of her ? And honestly I had a feeling that you will post and hopefully had a change of mind if you watch the epi again an not letting your emotions get in the way . I am so glad you did rewatch it , I got connected with the epi immediately and I respect ppl who didn't as we all have personal choice, my only issue is many ppl want Shravan to say something to her whe she was lying in pool of blood , and I fail to understand using words or saying something to her in that condition how would have made situation different? I loved how he didn't waste a single second as he know how precious time is for his Sumo . Thankyou for watching the epi again I am really glad you did .
Rekha I have said it before saying it again brilliant post , you need to come more often and share your thoughts and clarity of mind with us as we all need it .


Eshaal... yes.. I connected in parts but, failed to connect whole. And the reason being we often understand situations with preconceived notions... here, I was expecting the accident track as a game changer.. when this is not what it was supposed to be
I was wrong... my perspective was wrong and I blamed it on the actor, the editor and the director
Am so glad you liked it on first go... huraah.. to the actors and the makers
Yes... Rekha, Red and J are absolutely the three musketeers of the forum... tremendous insight these three have got
I as usual, try to pick their brains😉
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Eeshaal

Indrani , I remember your comments in LU thread ( at that point I haven't watch the show) , and coming from you and many other members I was scared to watch the epi bec I didn't want to be let down by something I had really high hopes for . But , after watching the epi I was surprised that how come you didn't like it? Was it her emotions getting better of her ? And honestly I had a feeling that you will post and hopefully had a change of mind if you watch the epi again an not letting your emotions get in the way . I am so glad you did rewatch it , I got connected with the epi immediately and I respect ppl who didn't as we all have personal choice, my only issue is many ppl want Shravan to say something to her whe she was lying in pool of blood , and I fail to understand using words or saying something to her in that condition how would have made situation different? I loved how he didn't waste a single second as he know how precious time is for his Sumo . Thankyou for watching the epi again I am really glad you did .
Rekha I have said it before saying it again brilliant post , you need to come more often and share your thoughts and clarity of mind with us as we all need it .


@eeshaal...
Thank for your kind words...

Actually despite all that I wrote in my incoherent state of mind, I realised (thank u Red for that) that I named my post Reflexiveness for a reason and never discussed that aspect again...So thats what sleep deprivation can do...😆😆

I meant to say yesterday that whatever happened from the time the accident took place is only reflex kicking in..we made a big deal of it becos many of us are thinking that is the focus of the episode but the real focus of the episode was before the incident. Yesterday I told Indrani that focus from the time he sees her...to the point of the time the accident takes place...you will look at the epi with new eyes...the episode was beautiful becos of this aspect not the accident.

What is the common refrain in those scenes ...EYES...whose eyes on whom...Shravan's eyes on Sumo...why?


THE REAL DEAL WAS BEFORE THE ACCIDENT. IDEALLY, THIS SHOULD BE RED's POST so i am not going to write on this aspect. It is something we need to be convinced as viewers else the writers are saying something and we are understanding something else...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Echoesofpassion

Very nice analysis Indrani.

But this is because you have really sat down and thought deeply about the show and analyzed the depths of the characters. Which theres nothing wrong with and I do too. But do you really think the general audience that was expecting high simple emotions in a scene would? I have always admired the writer's respect for the audience's intelligence and the cvs for always surprising us. But sometimes you need to give the viewer what they expect. Being unpredictable is good to a certain point where it doesnt take away from the show and its connection. And here it completey backfired. I really love digging deep into the show and most of the time I do. But this time it shouldve been emotion > realism. Cuz a lot of times thats what grabs the interest and connection far more. I have lost that connection now thanks to this episode. And I really dont know how they'll gain it back.


Ghanna.. I value your perspective. But, I shall tell you what Red told me a few minutes back... was the accident drama promoted by the makers, the channel as the game-changer.. as the climatic point in the show?
No
It was we who decided on the basis of OLVs and the spoilers... that is how it shall be. We expected that in the given scenario of an accident drama.. this is how Shravan would react. But, Shravan is a character in a story. Within a story was he consistent? Yes, he was... Also, as Red said... the reaction of Shravan should only be seen in relation to what happened prior to the accident... what happens post-accident.. will be first executed in a promo or by the coming week... for you and other viewers to understand.
It is time we pay attention to Shravan -Sumo relation... keep aside, Shravan-dad relation. This is one of the major mistakes we did... you should be able to figure it by now
When we watch a show.. we have to also pay respect to the writers' and director's vision... we often cannot have it as we like it
No individuals are same, nobody would react in the same manner... but, would within the framework of their own character sketch perform.. Shravan or Namik did likewise
We might not like it... because a Ghanna or Indrani might have reacted differently ... but, here it is Shravan and not us. It is Sumo and not his dad (this is the clue... thanks Red)
I request you Ghanna,,, forget about your grievance... and watch it again.. but keeping yourself out of the frame.
You shall not be disappointed
Trust me


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Echoesofpassion


Ghanna,

You have made a very pertinent point. sorry I am butting in a post that is addressed to Indrani..apologies!!

Actually I just realised that there are different types of writers and film makers. What they do is give creative expression to their thought process. Each of them views the medium in varied ways. I am sure it must be a lot easy to verbalise many things that the character leaves unsaid...I accept it can get frustrating for the common audience, when the messaging is not so clear. But that does not mean a creative person will change his/her approach becos that is the way that creative thinks or expresses. There is a risk of being misunderstood no doubt about it but I think it matters a lot to a creative person to have that legroom...where he or she can express as they deem fit. I feel that is a risk they are willing to take so that their expression wins the day...

I am in love with the EDKV team's style of presentation...I can keep looking at the scenes in diff ways..but I also accept it doesn't have to be same for someone else. It gets frustrating for me too that some aspects have been missed by the viewers at large but then I realise they are viewing with their sensibilities...and So i can't complain...


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Rekha awesome post 👏 Indrani awesome dear I loved it how you said these two have always been in love a confession is not at all required it's always been about each other

Ramnath was awesome in the scenes with nanu but how will he be going forward on seeing the actual extent of their bond 😉

Shravan trying to be strong not to break down for the sake of nanu that's just so heartbreaking 😭

The guy knows how to act he's the only other actor who expresses with eyes 👏 at least of what I have seen in Indian telly not that male leads get to do much other than being statues in most shows 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I didn't see any olv only and lovely post .
You are pretty good at summarising
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Sanfan and Indrani, loved both your posts... And agree wholeheartedly with what you said...
Indrani, the lines below are sublime... Kudos to you (and Red and Sanfan for pointing you in this direction)...

The anger will increase for himself and within himself... I doubt he will cry even in the later episodes... If Sumo's injury is severe... Shravan Malhotra, will have no way out... He would have to fight for his love and for his mere existence... he cant be a bhagoda any longer. And as much as he starts fighting, his anger will be directed inward

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Perfectly put, Rekh! 👏
Thanx, Indrani for the pm.🤗

I've been wondering where all of you went ever since I returned to the forum 3 days back.
A family emergency and even the show has not been able to keep me relaxed. Hopefully I will settle down soon.

Anyway, I did see the mentioned OLVs and was relieved the episode didn't air the rescue scene. Shravan sitting there and mouthing dialogues at this time of emergency- I would have banged my head against the wall! I am really grateful that they showed his presence of mind here for a change.
Where Shravan would crumble for a Ramnath and need Suman as his rock, he himself would be that ROCK for his Sumo and her family. 👏

As Rekha described it so perfectly- his actions were so natural.

Indrani,

You have analysed Shravan so wonderfully.
Glad you highlighted the parallel to the previous hospitalisation where he had said she could very well take care of herself. This is where the fb of the cycle accident became significant for me. He had been there to wipe her tears...he had cried along with her. He continues to cry along with her the past few weeks...but somehow, he was not physically present for her. How uncomplicated their childhood version had been!

Namik was brilliant, as you said. 👏

Somewhere along the way, I felt Shravan was in denial too...his reactions had been extreme when it came to Ramnath's news...With Sumo, his mind seems to be paralysed...He is doing all the right things...at an excellent speed...That seems to have saved Sumo's life even. But I wonder if his mind has really dared to think of the possibility of her never being there again... He seems to have suppressed that fear deep within and I am not sure if it will surface in its most agonisingly realistic form in this incident again.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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All I can say is, I haven't watched the episodes for a week now but read updates..I love you guys!! You all should team up and produce a show!! It will be brilliant!!!

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