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Hi everyone!

I'm pretty new to this show and to this forum! I've known about this show from the very beginning but only recently began watching it (I've always been a hardcore jahnvi-kabir shipper - what can I do? I love stories about tortured heroes and heroines :P )

I know a lot of people felt kind of upset about today's episode since Kabir didn't tell Dhruv about his father's true intentions at the cliff with Pooja, but I have some thoughts about that.

Overall, I thought the episode was pretty good and really showed clear character differences between Pooja and Kabir. Pooja seems to be entirely emotionally-driven. She uses her heart more than her head, especially when it comes to this whole "badla" situation. For me today, her actions reflected immaturity (she sent a box of sweets to the Mittal house after PK Mittal's death - if that's not adding salt to someone's wounds, I don't know what is). Was it valid for her to do that? Based on the way her character has been develoeped, yes, entirely. Her entire life is driven by only one motive - revenge. Uske aage peeche toh kuch hai hi nahi Pooja ke liye and nor is she concerned about anyone else's feelings. In a sense, she has her heart wrapped in a hard and unbreakable shell. So taking such an immature and heartless decision just out of spite was completely in character for her. Moreover, she held a press conference to defame PK Mittal. Even after his death, she can't seem to find it in her to move on from her idea of the perfect revenge (probably because her entire life thus far has revolved around ONLY revenge).

On the other hand, we have Kabir. I saw a lot of questions in the forum today about why Kabir didn't mention the truth to Dhruv. There were even speculations that maybe Kabir has ulterior motives and wants to fuel the family's hatred for Pooja into something more to get back at her. I don't think this is the case at all. I think Kabir has shown immense maturity in today's episode and really saw the bigger picture. They all knew from Pooja's outburst what PK mittal had done and the crimes he had committed. That was nothing new for any member in the family. But when someone dies...do you really want to think so lowly of them? Whatever PK mittal was, he was a good father and he loved Kabir and Dhruv. Kabir has to live with the knowledge that his father not only killed thousands of people including his close friend Ashok Sharma, but also the fact that even when he was taking his last breaths, he still had the same negative intentions - he wanted to murder Pooja. Knowing that your own father is a murderer has to be a hard pill to swallow. And I think kabir just wanted to save the rest of his family from that pain. In his view, there is no point in holding a grudge against a dead person. Had the whole family known that PK mittal's intention was to kill Pooja, all of their good memories with him would have been tarnished and Kabir didn't want that.

Where Pooja was more than willing to defame a dead man and hold on to the anger within her, Kabir's way was to let go of the same hatred.

In the coming episodes, I think Pooja will attempt to further destroy and humiliate the Mittal family. And this will cause Kabir to speak up against her. In his point of view, the revenge is done, Pooja has gotten what she wanted - the death of Kabir's father for the death of Pooja's father. He will likely want to break all relations with her and take back the house to support his family. But the hatred and anger within pooja will be misdirected towards the rest of the mittal family and this is what will cause the main rift between Kabir and Pooja.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sanjana-

Hi everyone!

I'm pretty new to this show and to this forum! I've known about this show from the very beginning but only recently began watching it (I've always been a hardcore jahnvi-kabir shipper - what can I do? I love stories about tortured heroes and heroines :P ) - No you cant do anything 😆

I know a lot of people felt kind of upset about today's episode since Kabir didn't tell Dhruv about his father's true intentions at the cliff with Pooja, but I have some thoughts about that.

Overall, I thought the episode was pretty good and really showed clear character differences between Pooja and Kabir. Pooja seems to be entirely emotionally-driven. She uses her heart more than her head, especially when it comes to this whole "badla" situation. For me today, her actions reflected immaturity (she sent a box of sweets to the Mittal house after PK Mittal's death - if that's not adding salt to someone's wounds, I don't know what is). Was it valid for her to do that? Based on the way her character has been develoeped, yes, entirely. Her entire life is driven by only one motive - revenge. Uske aage peeche toh kuch hai hi nahi Pooja ke liye and nor is she concerned about anyone else's feelings. In a sense, she has her heart wrapped in a hard and unbreakable shell. So taking such an immature and heartless decision just out of spite was completely in character for her. Moreover, she held a press conference to defame PK Mittal. Even after his death, she can't seem to find it in her to move on from her idea of the perfect revenge (probably because her entire life thus far has revolved around ONLY revenge). - Problem here on this forum is people are forgetting Pooja/Jhanvi is Antagonist not Daily SOAP KI BAHU..Bold I totally agree with you ..

On the other hand, we have Kabir. I saw a lot of questions in the forum today about why Kabir didn't mention the truth to Dhruv. There were even speculations that maybe Kabir has ulterior motives and wants to fuel the family's hatred for Pooja into something more to get back at her. I don't think this is the case at all. I think Kabir has shown immense maturity in today's episode and really saw the bigger picture. They all knew from Pooja's outburst what PK mittal had done and the crimes he had committed. That was nothing new for any member in the family. But when someone dies...do you really want to think so lowly of them? Whatever PK mittal was, he was a good father and he loved Kabir and Dhruv. Kabir has to live with the knowledge that his father not only killed thousands of people including his close friend Ashok Sharma, but also the fact that even when he was taking his last breaths, he still had the same negative intentions - he wanted to murder Pooja. Knowing that your own father is a murderer has to be a hard pill to swallow. And I think kabir just wanted to save the rest of his family from that pain. In his view, there is no point in holding a grudge against a dead person. Had the whole family known that PK mittal's intention was to kill Pooja, all of their good memories with him would have been tarnished and Kabir didn't want that. YES

Where Pooja was more than willing to defame a dead man and hold on to the anger within her, Kabir's way was to let go of the same hatred.

In the coming episodes, I think Pooja will attempt to further destroy and humiliate the Mittal family. And this will cause Kabir to speak up against her. In his point of view, the revenge is done, Pooja has gotten what she wanted - the death of Kabir's father for the death of Pooja's father. He will likely want to break all relations with her and take back the house to support his family. But the hatred and anger within pooja will be misdirected towards the rest of the mittal family and this is what will cause the main rift between Kabir and Pooja.

Loved your Analysis 🤗

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sanjana-

Hi everyone!

I'm pretty new to this show and to this forum! I've known about this show from the very beginning but only recently began watching it (I've always been a hardcore jahnvi-kabir shipper - what can I do? I love stories about tortured heroes and heroines :P )

I know a lot of people felt kind of upset about today's episode since Kabir didn't tell Dhruv about his father's true intentions at the cliff with Pooja, but I have some thoughts about that.

Overall, I thought the episode was pretty good and really showed clear character differences between Pooja and Kabir. Pooja seems to be entirely emotionally-driven. She uses her heart more than her head, especially when it comes to this whole "badla" situation. For me today, her actions reflected immaturity (she sent a box of sweets to the Mittal house after PK Mittal's death - if that's not adding salt to someone's wounds, I don't know what is). Was it valid for her to do that? Based on the way her character has been develoeped, yes, entirely. Her entire life is driven by only one motive - revenge. Uske aage peeche toh kuch hai hi nahi Pooja ke liye and nor is she concerned about anyone else's feelings. In a sense, she has her heart wrapped in a hard and unbreakable shell. So taking such an immature and heartless decision just out of spite was completely in character for her. Moreover, she held a press conference to defame PK Mittal. Even after his death, she can't seem to find it in her to move on from her idea of the perfect revenge (probably because her entire life thus far has revolved around ONLY revenge).

On the other hand, we have Kabir. I saw a lot of questions in the forum today about why Kabir didn't mention the truth to Dhruv. There were even speculations that maybe Kabir has ulterior motives and wants to fuel the family's hatred for Pooja into something more to get back at her. I don't think this is the case at all. I think Kabir has shown immense maturity in today's episode and really saw the bigger picture. They all knew from Pooja's outburst what PK mittal had done and the crimes he had committed. That was nothing new for any member in the family. But when someone dies...do you really want to think so lowly of them? Whatever PK mittal was, he was a good father and he loved Kabir and Dhruv. Kabir has to live with the knowledge that his father not only killed thousands of people including his close friend Ashok Sharma, but also the fact that even when he was taking his last breaths, he still had the same negative intentions - he wanted to murder Pooja. Knowing that your own father is a murderer has to be a hard pill to swallow. And I think kabir just wanted to save the rest of his family from that pain. In his view, there is no point in holding a grudge against a dead person. Had the whole family known that PK mittal's intention was to kill Pooja, all of their good memories with him would have been tarnished and Kabir didn't want that.

Where Pooja was more than willing to defame a dead man and hold on to the anger within her, Kabir's way was to let go of the same hatred.

In the coming episodes, I think Pooja will attempt to further destroy and humiliate the Mittal family. And this will cause Kabir to speak up against her. In his point of view, the revenge is done, Pooja has gotten what she wanted - the death of Kabir's father for the death of Pooja's father. He will likely want to break all relations with her and take back the house to support his family. But the hatred and anger within pooja will be misdirected towards the rest of the mittal family and this is what will cause the main rift between Kabir and Pooja.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: -Sanjana-

Hi everyone!

I'm pretty new to this show and to this forum! I've known about this show from the very beginning but only recently began watching it (I've always been a hardcore jahnvi-kabir shipper - what can I do? I love stories about tortured heroes and heroines :P ) mutual feelings though i loved janruv too

I know a lot of people felt kind of upset about today's episode since Kabir didn't tell Dhruv about his father's true intentions at the cliff with Pooja, but I have some thoughts about that.

Overall, I thought the episode was pretty good and really showed clear character differences between Pooja and Kabir. Pooja seems to be entirely emotionally-driven. She uses her heart more than her head, especially when it comes to this whole "badla" situation. For me today, her actions reflected immaturity (she sent a box of sweets to the Mittal house after PK Mittal's death - if that's not adding salt to someone's wounds, I don't know what is). Was it valid for her to do that? Based on the way her character has been develoeped, yes, entirely. Her entire life is driven by only one motive - revenge. Uske aage peeche toh kuch hai hi nahi Pooja ke liye and nor is she concerned about anyone else's feelings. In a sense, she has her heart wrapped in a hard and unbreakable shell. So taking such an immature and heartless decision just out of spite was completely in character for her. Moreover, she held a press conference to defame PK Mittal. Even after his death, she can't seem to find it in her to move on from her idea of the perfect revenge (probably because her entire life thus far has revolved around ONLY revenge). She has not felt any other emotion so its just revenge and nothing else in her heart and mind

On the other hand, we have Kabir. I saw a lot of questions in the forum today about why Kabir didn't mention the truth to Dhruv. There were even speculations that maybe Kabir has ulterior motives and wants to fuel the family's hatred for Pooja into something more to get back at her. I don't think this is the case at all. I think Kabir has shown immense maturity in today's episode and really saw the bigger picture. They all knew from Pooja's outburst what PK mittal had done and the crimes he had committed. That was nothing new for any member in the family. But when someone dies...do you really want to think so lowly of them? Whatever PK mittal was, he was a good father and he loved Kabir and Dhruv. Kabir has to live with the knowledge that his father not only killed thousands of people including his close friend Ashok Sharma, but also the fact that even when he was taking his last breaths, he still had the same negative intentions - he wanted to murder Pooja. Knowing that your own father is a murderer has to be a hard pill to swallow. And I think kabir just wanted to save the rest of his family from that pain. In his view, there is no point in holding a grudge against a dead person. Had the whole family known that PK mittal's intention was to kill Pooja, all of their good memories with him would have been tarnished and Kabir didn't want that. I feel that kabir didnt told because he thought that may be family would blame her for that in blind rage so if he tells to the family it will only add fuel to rage of revenge

Where Pooja was more than willing to defame a dead man and hold on to the anger within her, Kabir's way was to let go of the same hatred.

In the coming episodes, I think Pooja will attempt to further destroy and humiliate the Mittal family. And this will cause Kabir to speak up against her. In his point of view, the revenge is done, Pooja has gotten what she wanted - the death of Kabir's father for the death of Pooja's father. He will likely want to break all relations with her and take back the house to support his family. But the hatred and anger within pooja will be misdirected towards the rest of the mittal family and this is what will cause the main rift between Kabir and Pooja.

all in all agreed with u
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I have been a stalker of this forum and this post has compelled me to come out of hiding. Spot on, there is nothing I could disagree with. I was scared that the writers would come up with a contrived storyline to justify the "badla" but I thought the writers did a good job in setting the foundation for it in today's episode. Kabir sympathises with Pooja, but there is only so much he can tolerate. He wanted to help her, but not only did she refuse to accept his help, she has been purposely antagonising him. He accepts that his father did terrible things, but she has not spared people like his brother. There was a moment in today's episode where he looked angry after seeing Dhruv lose it, and I think that would be the main reason why he would end up clashing with Pooja, amongst other things.

Brilliantly written! I love that you felt the same way about Kabir "hiding" what had happened on the cliff from his family. His maturity was seen in the way he stopped Dhruv from going after Pooja after what she had done.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Good thing is that no one whitewashes pooja's character.. She is grey. I am sure she will calm down in future. Right now her anger has just started to subside.

I love your posts.. You write exactly like how I think. 👌👍👍👍

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Originally posted by: Euphoria.

I have been a stalker of this forum and this post has compelled me to come out of hiding. Spot on, there is nothing I could disagree with. I was scared that the writers would come up with a contrived storyline to justify the "badla" but I thought the writers did a good job in setting the foundation for it in today's episode. Kabir sympathises with Pooja, but there is only so much he can tolerate. He wanted to help her, but not only did she refuse to accept his help, she has been purposely antagonising him. He accepts that his father did terrible things, but she has not spared people like his brother. There was a moment in today's episode where he looked angry after seeing Dhruv lose it, and I think that would be the main reason why he would end up clashing with Pooja, amongst other things.

Brilliantly written! I love that you felt the same way about Kabir "hiding" what had happened on the cliff from his family. His maturity was seen in the way he stopped Dhruv from going after Pooja after what she had done.

That's exactly it! There is only so much that a person can take. For Kabir, I would say he has been the bigger person in this situation from the beginning, right when he found out what his father had done. Even when his dad was justifying his actions, Kabir wouldn't hear a word of it, and he immediately told his father to confess to the police. He KNOWS what his father did was wrong and there can be no justification for it. And for that reason, he wanted to help Pooja get justice (in the legal way). But two wrongs don't make a right and I think Kabir understands this concept perfectly. If his father was not justified in his actions, he knows that Pooja is not justified in hers either. There is no reason for her to punish innocent people like Dhruv when the person who deserves the punishment has already received it (in this case, death). That's why he tried to stop Dhruv from going to her. He knows he cannot stoop as low as Pooja currently is. This is exactly why I believe that Pooja thinks irrationally and from her heart while Kabir is her polar opposite. His thoughts and decisions are always rational and from the mind.

Kabir is one of the most realistic characters, I would also like to say. See, we live on earth as human beings - not wild animals. And therefore we must behave as human beings do and try to sympathize with one another rather than go round in endless cycles of murderous revenge. I see a very logical side to Kabir and I'm hoping that he helps Pooja heal.

I'm in no way blaming Pooja either. This is all she has known from a very young age. And things said to a child at a very young age tend to really get engraved into the child's mind. This is all she has thought about nearly all of her life and to be honest, she really knows no better. She had very little in terms of parental guidance and had to be strong, cold and hard in order to make a place for herself and her sister in this world. I guess that's also why she and her sister are so different. Ishaani always had someone to rely on and look up to - Pooja. The same cannot be said for Pooja. So her coldness and lack of sympathy for others really is a product of how she had to live her life in order to fend for herself and her sister. Shrenu's character is so damaged and broken from within that it's even heartbreaking for me as the viewer to watch.

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Posted: 6 years ago
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"Kabir is one of the most realistic characters, I would also like to say. See, we live on earth as human beings - not wild animals. And therefore we must behave as human beings do and try to sympathize with one another rather than go round in endless cycles of murderous revenge. I see a very logical side to Kabir and I'm hoping that he helps Pooja heal."

Kabir is definitely up there as one of my all time fave male leads on TV. He isn't flawless, but despite his flaws, his rationality and kind-heartedness makes him a very likeable, real and raw character. Just like you, I feel that Kabir would help Pooja heal, after the initial tashanbaazi. She is going to rile him up a lot more in the future, and he will snap, but his inherent compassion for people would eventually cause him to help Pooja - once she lets him help him. I don't know about love, it is probably going to happen given the nature of Indian shows, but I do see Kabir becoming Pooja's friend and confidant in the near future.

"This is all she has thought about nearly all of her life and to be honest, she really knows no better. She had very little in terms of parental guidance and had to be strong, cold and hard in order to make a place for herself and her sister in this world."

Again, spot on. Amma keeps warning her that she is only destroying herself in this revenge game, but Amma herself is, to an extent, responsible for that. Pooja has no faith in love or friendship, and marrying someone like Dhruv didn't help her at all. No offence to JanRuv shippers, but the guy is creepy as, and never understood Janhvi. I suppose that was the way his character was written since he is not the lead. I never saw his actions as romantic. Kabir on the other hand, already understands Pooja, more than her supposed husband did in a year. I still ship Kabir-Kavya and hope she makes a comeback, but if they have written her character out for good, Kabir is the man for Pooja (if any at all). His kindness would help Pooja out of the cycle of self-destruction - that is if they try to redeem Pooja.

Loving the discussion! :)

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Like your analysis

Just one thing Pooja has always had a penchant for drama.

In the first week, she sent a statue, resembling PK with bullet in between the eyes, to PK. It didn't achieve anything but she wanted to see PK bothered

Later during the bhumi Pooja, she made PK wash the feet of poor widows. Her main motive was to make PK grant the land for building a hospital. Her work was done but she still played that joke, because she derived enjoyment from annoying PK.

Her best was when she gave Manohar the cheque in mousetrap and kept 11ruppees next to it. It was one of the funniest and sassy moments of the show 😂

Even today, l laughed hard when she sent the invitation and sweet box 😂.

Pooja's sense of humor is a little dark. But l 😍 drama queen

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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: Euphoria.

"Kabir is one of the most realistic characters, I would also like to say. See, we live on earth as human beings - not wild animals. And therefore we must behave as human beings do and try to sympathize with one another rather than go round in endless cycles of murderous revenge. I see a very logical side to Kabir and I'm hoping that he helps Pooja heal."

Kabir is definitely up there as one of my all time fave male leads on TV. He isn't flawless, but despite his flaws, his rationality and kind-heartedness makes him a very likeable, real and raw character. Just like you, I feel that Kabir would help Pooja heal, after the initial tashanbaazi. She is going to rile him up a lot more in the future, and he will snap, but his inherent compassion for people would eventually cause him to help Pooja - once she lets him help him. I don't know about love, it is probably going to happen given the nature of Indian shows, but I do see Kabir becoming Pooja's friend and confidant in the near future.

"This is all she has thought about nearly all of her life and to be honest, she really knows no better. She had very little in terms of parental guidance and had to be strong, cold and hard in order to make a place for herself and her sister in this world."

Again, spot on. Amma keeps warning her that she is only destroying herself in this revenge game, but Amma herself is, to an extent, responsible for that. Pooja has no faith in love or friendship, and marrying someone like Dhruv didn't help her at all. No offence to JanRuv shippers, but the guy is creepy as, and never understood Janhvi. I suppose that was the way his character was written since he is not the lead. I never saw his actions as romantic. Kabir on the other hand, already understands Pooja, more than her supposed husband did in a year. I still ship Kabir-Kavya and hope she makes a comeback, but if they have written her character out for good, Kabir is the man for Pooja (if any at all). His kindness would help Pooja out of the cycle of self-destruction - that is if they try to redeem Pooja.

Loving the discussion! :)

Bold About Janruv ...I feel the same

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