And If Our Hearts Must Share A Grave || 12-15 November Analysis

Fire and ice. Beginings and endings. And the love between a man and a woman.


When I was a little girl my understanding of revenge was as simple as the Sunday school proverbs it hid behind. Neat little morality slogans like, do un to others and two wrongs don't make a right. But two wrongs can never make a right because; two wrongs can never equal each other. For the truly wronged real satisfaction can only be found in one of two places, absolute forgiveness or mortal vindication. This is not a story about forgiveness.

Let's start this on a personal note, you and me, we're normal people. Humans. We live, we breathe and we see the world the way we choose to. I am one of those people who actually enjoy the day - have fun, maybe at the cost of others too. And then at the end of the day I make it a point to analyse the events in my life. Self therapy? More like self imposed torture. And sometimes when I feel that someone has committed or plotted something against me, I plan to ruin that person. And I've done. I've ruined innocents and not so innocents based on my mentality. And behind every act I do, I have reasons where I convince myself that it was the right thing to do. That my acts were justified.

Originally posted by: AraBearxx

I like the whole reversal of the "power" here. Tbh, the current track annoyed me. So I chose to well, let the episodes pile up, and boy that was a good decision. But the point lies in the fact, that MJ limited to making her stay away. He threathened her, but this lady till now destroyed the most important thing out there to him. I don't remember MJay affecting things that held sentimental value towards her. Frankly in simple terms, he used her own mindset against her.

She chose to believe what she heard about him, she chose to judge him based on the "facts" she heard whilst she was eavesdropping. And he used that against her, 'to keep her away'.

I'm fine will the whole revenge bull, later justified as I-wanna-know-the-real him. Sure go ahead, know him, save him, go skinny dipping into the sunset. I mean, I was giggling through the whole of 13th November episode, and predicting her rant (12th November). . until she goes and destroys his dark room. Woman, that is cruel. Plain cruel. You play along with his psychology, sure. But do not destroy stuff. And she has her answer. If he was the Jaanwar he would have manhandled her right there and then. Not close his eyes and mentally be like, "Woman, you are testing my patience, get away before I do something I'd regret later."

Shit, happens but there's a limit between fun and not-fun. I mean, no photocopying those pictures don't mean shit. Those had value. The duplicates don't. It's like any certificate. You have the original and you have a xerox. The xerox may be physically present there but it hold no value. No one will accept a xerox unless you true copy it and that needs the original which this mahan woman has destroyed.

Mriyunjays reaction was something like, you've destroyed the important stuff. I'll help you destroy what you've left behind.


It was a good track. Teach him a lesson and what not, Tara has her answers right in front of her. She just needs to stop her so called revenge which is revenge which she is desperately trying to convince herself as trying to find the actual guy. Cause if she analyses the incident, like the dark room one. She has her answers. But the woman wants revenge. She wants to play around with him. Bottom line, it is a good track but the dark room incident ruins it. I feel so. And disclaimer: this is my opinion, so I donot appreciate anyone ganging up on me like the previous incident. 🤣

^^ Those were my unedited views on the current track, yeah. The last paragraph quoted above yesterday was a doubt, today it stands to be a fullfledged theory. Now how is this related to my initial 'note' you ask.


Analyse today's episode, like think about it, all the flashbacks. And whatsoever . And then the final voice over that yes, how can I help you Mrityunjay, the situation we're in, you brought this upon us yourself. It has this sadistic yet melancholic feel to it. Remember be stating that Tara wants revenge. Here it is on a silver platter. A friend on my stated that yesterday's episode symbolised the event of Mrityunjay breaking free from the shackles of his past and letting go. Quite beautifully I agree. If that was yesterday, then what was today, proving that Mrityunjay is such a gentleman that he has to stare at his conniving wife all doe eyed while he gets whacked up? What does it symbolise, in all honestly?


Tara in her own mental state wants revenge, she's haunted by the fact that Mrityunjay and Neil are the same person. Maybe she has "snapped", I donot know. I never was a psychology student. But we know one thing for sure and that is Tara wants revenge. She feels wronged and you know, it's this kind of "pleasure" you get watching the one you loathe or hate or idk someone who has wronged you suffer. It's that, but there is a part of Tara that doesn't agree with all this. A part that justifies this to herself.

At the end of every "deed", we see a part of Tara justify her actions to herself, just like Mrityunjay did. While he wanted her to shoo away, she wants her revenge.


But Tara fails to understand that in her fury she's losing Mriyunjays. Tara came as a light to guide MJay out of his zombie state, where he had lost all hope of life. Light the star the lead the Magi to baby Jesus. But with this revenge, the light is fading away. Like the Magi who were to see Jesus were the only ones the legend says the star appeared to, To Mrityunjay Tara was the only ray of hope who could light up his world, and like the star disappeared to the world, Tara's hatred is diminishing the hope.

Citing examples:


The cake scene, which was pure bliss, while Tara taunts about the cake being poisoned, MJay just shuts himself up both emotionally and physically, and swallow the cake. It's like him saying, I am to die anyways. A piece of poisoned cake won't change my fate. It'll stay the same, just the different method.


The darkroom rampage, as mentioned above.


The talk with Maria.


Him mumbling, the truth? If only you knew the truth.

And Mrityunjay's abuse/mistreatment toward Tara just involved the two of them. (Okay, I have actually contacted a professional shrink about this abuse-mistreatment deal. When you analyse you consider the real world point of view and you take psychological references, not really legal. And Indian cinema has this everywhere. Almost every scene in every show. Now you don't know how embarrassing it is to go up there and be like, no, it's not personal, *whisper* it's this tv show I watch. . It is an actual one that airs on Life OK. Yes. Trash tv. I'm aware. AHEM. Now the view is subjective. Now if anyone has a problem with what I consider to be abuse and not, feel free to meet my shrink and lawyer. These are ny views. Basic rights you know. XD) Back to the topic, while MJay kept things between them Tara is all out to ruin relationships between MJay and his family by portraying himself to be the victim, when she is the culprit. Excuse my language, my that's a great way to be a grade A bitch, stooping to the lowest of the low levels.



MJay is now returning to someone who has lost his purpose in life. While earlier, he had that brat invading his privacy to worry about along with getting his wife to stay the heck away from him. What Tara fails to understand is that she agreed to the alliance, she had a say on this and she chose it. While MJ didn't have a choice. She has the clues right in front of her. She had her answers the minute she went taunting MJay in his newly ruined dark room. If her so called questions are queries on who the real MJay is, she has her answers. She had them. But those aren't her queries. And she refuses or just doesn't seem to understand the difference. Revenge is revenge, Conficious said, before you embark on a journey of revenge, just remember to dig two graves.


[Disclaimer: These are my views. I am not forcing them on anyone. And in return I will not tolerate anyone forcing their views on me . If our views donot match, it doesn't mean I'm wrong, nor whatever. I will give your views a shot but I will absolutely not tolerate anyone ganging up on me. This is a discussion and not really a debate. So yep, spam me with your views. And idk why, but I feel these disclaimers are important as of my previous topic.]

ufff..your straightforward approach for the e"everything is fair in love n revenge/war" battle.

Originally posted by: sonalp

ufff..your straightforward approach for the e"everything is fair in love n revenge/war" battle.

but tell me honestly on 2 points.

1.You talk about self fury and justifications for your actions----But do they remain valid and reasonable afterwards or forever? Don't we feel guilty with a tint of regret for our actions at that particular state of mind or that particular time frame? coz time teaches us to be more sensible.

Do you think it is possible to "think of" logic when you seekvengeance, when your heart stops believing and your mind fails to diversify? I doubt on that, can tell that from personal exp.

so that goes fine with tara, she is burning with quest for a man she deeply care

2. Well i feel she is not loosing him, but slowly making him opening up which is a new dimension to his self immersed characteristics. Until n unless someone is pushed to an extreme point the inner turmoil cant ever materialize.

i believe with these blows atleast he would be raising a voice (which is taken for granted since a long time) and try to figure out the strong connection burned between them.

Its not so easy to sympathize just by quietness/tears, it takes a hell lot of courage and patience to gather just to look into someone's soul, and it would be time taking

Yeah i do agree on the precap part, this time the blow is severe n even i felt the revenge should have been between them only without any involvement of any 3rd person.

PS: Luved your analysis😉

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Well, if there's one thing you should know about me them it is that I am an insecure creature, and my teen years were something that were actually hard on me. Where I had to find myself. I grew up as an only child in the absence of my workaholic parents. Idk. As I said those were years in my life which actually shaped my personality. And during those years I have done a lot of stuff that I do regret now.


Time does teach us to be sensible, there is the guilt that trips you. If you ask me and I'm supposed to be honest here, yes I have gone through that, the hours of sitting in a corner and crying and idk, it just gets to you. But then you just get over it. You accept it. Or you learn to. As I said, we're humans. We need something to back our deeds, like guilt and anger fuels revenge. It keeps it going. You need something to gane another.

Do you explain how she's making him open up to another 'dimension'. As much as I would want to consider that, have you considered the harshness in her actions. Humiliating him in public and walking off isn't exactly reviving his personality. Any guy would snap at that, no just stand there like a lifeless body and just tolerate. It reminds me of this guy I know. He just stands there, melancholic as ever as any girl talks to him, with this "are-you-serious-I-have-to-deal-with-you-too-now-as-if-i-dean-with-enough-bull" look going. With all this, ruining his room and public humiliation thing going on no one would stand there without doing anything . The look in his eyes when he just stares at her and realises that she won't save him. He just looks ahead as the beat him up. If this was supposed to bring out the Neil/Mrityunjay in him, how and which one is it? If keeping calm is Mrityunjay's personality then let me tell you guys with such personalities donot take bullshit from anyone. Not the ones I know atleast.

That's hard to believe, but thanks.

I disagree with two things here!!!!!

Originally posted by: AraBearxx

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Well, if there's one thing you should know about me them it is that I am an insecure creature, and my teen years were something that were actually hard on me. Where I had to find myself. I grew up as an only child in the absence of my workaholic parents. Idk. As I said those were years in my life which actually shaped my personality. And during those years I have done a lot of stuff that I do regret now.


Time does teach us to be sensible, there is the guilt that trips you. If you ask me and I'm supposed to be honest here, yes I have gone through that, the hours of sitting in a corner and crying and idk, it just gets to you. But then you just get over it. You accept it. Or you learn to. As I said, we're humans. We need something to back our deeds, like guilt and anger fuels revenge. It keeps it going. You need something to gane another.

Do you explain how she's making him open up to another 'dimension'. As much as I would want to consider that, have you considered the harshness in her actions. Humiliating him in public and walking off isn't exactly reviving his personality. Any guy would snap at that, no just stand there like a lifeless body and just tolerate. It reminds me of this guy I know. He just stands there, melancholic as ever as any girl talks to him, with this "are-you-serious-I-have-to-deal-with-you-too-now-as-if-i-dean-with-enough-bull" look going. With all this, ruining his room and public humiliation thing going on no one would stand there without doing anything . The look in his eyes when he just stares at her and realises that she won't save him. He just looks ahead as the beat him up. If this was supposed to bring out the Neil/Mrityunjay in him, how and which one is it? If keeping calm is Mrityunjay's personality then let me tell you guys with such personalities donot take bullshit from anyone. Not the ones I know atleast.

That's hard to believe, but thanks.

Well said..!!

Her revenge is becoming seemingly illogical with each passing episode.. and her reasoning is just impracticable.. I completely agree with you on the fact that the truth is staring her in the face yet she has chosen not to acknowledge it.. her prejudice and need for a sense of revenge has stopped her from seeing what's right infront of her.. one does not taunt, instigate, and invite a monster to her room.. no offense but I felt like saying tara dear you must already believe him to be your dear friend if you are so confidently torturing him on an emotional level and expecting him to behave himself..

I can understand her sudden reaction its human nature to cause those pain who have harmed you be it emotionally, psychologically or physically... she felt cheated and abused to an extent and as a strong character she forged ahead to teach him a lesson.. but once she cooled down she decided to portray it as wanting to know the real him.. was it not her friend who stood his ground and allowed the men to beat him today.. could he not protect himself.. he accepted the punishment because he viewed it as her victory.. he wanted to give her peace and as always he refused to fight back.. for her happiness..

The best part of the episode for me had to be Tara's reaction to the beating she realizes on a certain level that this man is innocent but refuses to give in until he has felt every pain she has gone through.. she bent down in order to pick up her clutch symbolic to very soon comprehending the man she wants to harm is the very man who would give his life for her..

Oh one more thing.. she wants him to reveal his true face... unfortunately he is not exactly hiding it so when the man snaps she will get the shock of her life.. she was the only ray of hope and more then death and the hatred of his family he regrets having harmed her in any way.. looking forward to how she comes to terms with this revelation..!!

^ Thank you for the lovely replies guys. I have a hectic day ahead. Will reply when I can.

Nice analysis...

This is wat i think... Tara knows baba is the closest of all for mj... And hance she used him so that mj should open up now... She want to know about real mj..
For this a mono louge from mj is so neceessary...

Hence the idiom... Hit where it hurts..
Guys beleive me it is just to make mj speak up...

She needs to clarify who the realy mj is... Her darinda pati or her her helpin friend