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heartbroken1

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Posted: 10 years ago

#61

@.vrish

Thre wasnt another room in the hotel dear... and moreover she could have gone to another hotel asking in reception to help her out... Or they could have shown that some guy is following her thats why she ned to be safe !!! Ye cvs kuch logic nahi lagate !!;

Ayr wo laal wala jab usse jungle me chod aaya.. Use daraya...

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Sabhayata

@Sabhayata

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Posted: 10 years ago

#62

Originally posted by: arshita235
@Vrish Agree situations made arjun manhandle rads but CVs showing such scenes as romance is not good right

Its not only CV's but also our perception and lack of reaction from Rads

What CV's do is add a backgorund music but because we know that in hindi serial world this is the way heroine and hero fall in love we view those scenes as romantic since they are part of the process of falling in love

Lack of reaction from Rads i mean does Rads herself think she is being harassed or manhandled.I don't think so doesn't seem from her reaction and after all the manhandling in the hospital she told Sam Arjun sir is a good guy.So the fact is she herself doesn't think she is being harassed

So its CV's ,our own perception or experience of things and Rads reaction that make these scenes seem romantic

Regarding the question i would say the same thing as others she interferes in what Arjun wants to do and then in turn he reacts this way so as to stop her,this is after he tells her several times to stop.If she gets out his way he will get out of hers.In Arjun's case its reaction to something

The same cant be said for Saral

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boss

@Nalayak-baccha

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Posted: 10 years ago

#63

Originally posted by: .Vrish.

Red - when was that?

Arjun v Radhika - Arjun is dealing w/ a very nosey girl who has nothing better to do than to interfere in his personal affairs. She is an employee of the same company that he works in, but gets into his face for the sake of her friend Sam - not sure whether w/ or w/o her endorsement. She is nobody of his.

Let's look at what he was reacting/responding to, b4 playing the gender card. In at least 2 of the cases, he was going after Sam, and Radhika came and did what she could to intercept him and slow him down. Had Radhika been a guy, they'd have come to fistfights. Since she's a gal, Arjun had to pull his punches, but nonetheless, gave it to her. In the elevator, for instance, he pinned her to the wall after she had pressed all the buttons of the elevator intending to have it stop at every floor and slow him down.

Or the hotel room incident, where she forced herself into the room, then first demanded that he give her the bed and sleep on the sofa for a room that he was paying for, then tried to snatch the blanket and finally ended up w/ him in the balcony. Couldn't she have taken another room and later asked Sam or Neil to reimburse her, given the lengths she was going for her friend?

I don't necessarily consider Arjun the hero, and nor do I endorse either his going after Sam or his manhandling Radhika. But I refuse to condemn him, since Radhika is doing enough to harass him: had Radhika been a guy going out of his way to intercept a gal chasing another guy, it would have been called harrassment, plain & simple. She gets away w/ what she does b'cos of the plot about Arjun being vindictive, but regardless or not, Radhika has no business getting involved here.

As for Saral, he was actually nice in Hrishikesh, encouraging his parents to allow Radhika to go to Mumbai. Somehow, he's been turned black since the CVs can't have TWO positive guys paired w/ the lead female, after they have 2 positive gals paired w/ the lead male.

I agree ...radhika interferes too much ...and any sane and normal person will become annoyed and frustated by her noseyness and behave in a rude way... inshort she invites her own trouble...

but saral scenario is different ...he is a cheap guy...

Edited by THE_BOSS - 10 years ago

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AnuMP

@AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#64

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Confronted her in the restroom
Threatened rape

Red - when was that?

Arjun v Radhika - Arjun is dealing w/ a very nosey girl who has nothing better to do than to interfere in his personal affairs. She is an employee of the same company that he works in, but gets into his face for the sake of her friend Sam - not sure whether w/ or w/o her endorsement. She is nobody of his.

Let's look at what he was reacting/responding to, b4 playing the gender card.

Red - When a guy drives off with you, after making cryptic comments about women alone with a man, he is not talking about taking you to watch the latest movie.He may have just intended to scare her but his intention alone does not count.

Blue - Gender card? Unless you are defending yourself, physical attacks are not justified regardless of gender. Lets look at the entirety of the argument before we go on ad hominem attacks, shall we?

Rest of it - If I saw that a person is about to harm a friend or a family member, I would be going after them too., Granted my methods would be different Calling the cops comes to mind. But since Rads does not have any proof, asking her parents for help would be another or even informing Neil. I think I have made enough posts making fun of Rads and her Superhero methods.

Rads' lack of response - Of course she is wrong not to respond. Especially since this is coming from her boss! Just because the victim does not respond, does not make it any less of an assault. Heck, it wouldn't even work in a court of law. And I AM blaming Rads for seeing this differently

Arjun's intent - He is going after Sam to destroy her. Makes him even worse than Saral. Makes him a psycho as opposed to Saral who is your garden variety jerk in sore need of a talking-to.

Diff between Saral and Arjun is that the latter is a handsome hunk who is presented with pleasing BGM and romantic lighting. The heroine accepts it, the audience laps it up and the CVs go on happily.

Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago

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Prarthana33

@Prarthana33

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Posted: 10 years ago

#65

Anu ur post is bang on but the difference is our perception.

Arjun treating radz is called chemistry, love n blah.

Whereas her fiancee treating her is called cheap.

Major difference in India at times parents do not support their daughters so they have to bear the torture of their fiancee n husbands. They r blackmailed in the name of caste creed n many things. So basically saral is amongst those hypocrites who always crib about society, norms, values, Morales but they themselves are hollow within. Thus at times accept such abuse and the irony is u can't fight against it in villages n rurals.

As far as arjun is concerned people r enjoying this as cute nok jhok. My question to all is will they allow anyone like arjun near themselves. If I can read anybody pain than in return I expect if not love than at least respect n dignity in their behavior.

Thus difference is created by us n not by channel they have to sell anything by hook or crook.

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Vrish

@Vr15h

Stunner

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Posted: 10 years ago

#66

Originally posted by: .Vrish.
Confronted her in the restroom
Threatened rape

Red - when was that?

Arjun v Radhika - Arjun is dealing w/ a very nosey girl who has nothing better to do than to interfere in his personal affairs. She is an employee of the same company that he works in, but gets into his face for the sake of her friend Sam - not sure whether w/ or w/o her endorsement. She is nobody of his.

Let's look at what he was reacting/responding to, b4 playing the gender card.

Originally posted by: AnuMP

Red - When a guy drives off with you, after making cryptic comments about women alone with a man, he is not talking about taking you to watch the latest movie.He may have just intended to scare her but his intention alone does not count.

When you start expanding the scope of how rape is defined, that ends up - wittingly or unwittingly - eroding the seriousness of the crime. Of course, his intention alone counts. If someone threatens rape for the purpose of actually doing it, it's a crime. If someone is just issuing an empty threat in the hope of scaring the girl off, it's certainly not rape. Yeah, he may be very tawdry in resorting to that tactic, but no. With these sort of definitions, the next time someone is raped, you'll see questions come up like 'rape as in...?' Something that few would like to see occur.

Also, my reading of the scene you described - Arjun made cryptic comments about her being alone w/ him in order to threaten to blacken her reputation, which is nowhere even close to rape. Granted that in an Indian environment, it has the potential of destroying one aspect of one's life in other ways, but equating it to rape is sensationalizing it.

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Blue - Gender card? Unless you are defending yourself, physical attacks are not justified regardless of gender. Lets look at the entirety of the argument before we go on ad hominem attacks, shall we?

I didn't justify his attacks. I did say that she has provoked him by getting in his way. Let's say Neil decided to come in his way, instead of Radhika. Those 2 would have gotten into fistcuffs. Radhika has gotten away w/ what she has b'cos she's a gal, and Arjun, despite being a sociopath, does seem to draw a line somewhere about how far he's willing to hurt her.

It's easy to say that physical attacks are never justified unless one is acting in self defense. That said, if someone is always being sabotaged by another person, there will come a time when he'll snap. Let's look at it from his POV. His 'sister' has apparently been wronged, and he's out to avenge her (put aside for the moment that it's unjustified - that's not been revealed so far). He goes after the daughter of the man who did it. So anyone who comes in b/w is an obstacle, so he deals w/ them in various ways. Am I saying that he's a hero for doing that? No. Is he justified? No. But does he have a reason? Absolutely!

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Rest of it - If I saw that a person is about to harm a friend or a family member, I would be going after them too., Granted my methods would be different Calling the cops comes to mind. But since Rads does not have any proof, asking her parents for help would be another or even informing Neil. I think I have made enough posts making fun of Rads and her Superhero methods.

Informing Neil, and working at tandem w/ him would have been a better idea, if cops were out of the question. Setting up a sting operation so that Arjun gets arrested would have been the right course of action. She could have told Sam's parents what she knows, and taken their help as well. Doing what she does the way she does it makes for good TV, but is pretty idiotic on her part, as well as being nosey.

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Rads' lack of response - Of course she is wrong not to respond. Especially since this is coming from her boss! Just because the victim does not respond, does not make it any less of an assault. Heck, it wouldn't even work in a court of law. And I AM blaming Rads for seeing this differently

That is fine. But why's she getting into her boss' life in the first place? Like lecturing him about how a person's reactions to sweets tell one about his personality? I do agree that Arjun was rude in rolling up her submission paper and using it to wrap whatever (I'm forgetting the name of the item) If he didn't like her submission, he should have just stated so and moved on.

Also, I hate to break it to you, but having worked both in India and the US, US sexual harassment laws are non-existent in India. Or as the Brits would like to put it, they exist more in the breach than in the observed.

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Arjun's intent - He is going after Sam to destroy her. Makes him even worse than Saral. Makes him a psycho as opposed to Saral who is your garden variety jerk in sore need of a talking-to.

Granted. I never stated anything otherwise. I just stated that Radhika has brought a lot of what she has upon herself by taking things into her own hands.

Originally posted by: AnuMP
Diff between Saral and Arjun is that the latter is a handsome hunk who is presented with pleasing BGM and romantic lighting. The heroine accepts it, the audience laps it up and the CVs go on happily.

The CVs are pretty idiotic, but I thought you were talking about Arjun and why he is being supported wrt his 'romance' w/ Radz, given his violent behavior w/ her. Point I was making was that all of it wasn't his own doing. I do agree that calling their relationship 'romantic' is inane.

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MrsAkyurek

@MrsAkyurek

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Posted: 10 years ago

#67

There is no need to bring in Radhika to this discussion and play the "she asked for it" card. Yes, she gets on everyone's nerves but that's immaterial as far as this discussion is concerned. The point of this discussion is to understand the primordial difference between an innocuous jock like Saral and a vindictive sociopath like Arjun and how the CVs make use of the HAWTNESS of the hero as an excuse to deem his deeds heroic. Romanticizing violence is never OK.

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Erika

@roni_berna

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Posted: 10 years ago

#68

One thing I would like to clear about people enjoying Arjun's manhandling with Radhika and considering it romantic and blah blah.

I guess nobody over here would consider Arjun's rude behavior towards Radhika as romantic and an awesome chemistry. If I am not wrong, people including me criticized his behavior. It's the CVs who are playing that BG music and not the people who are watching the show.

The "so called people" being referred to hear of which I would too include myself in, enjoy the inner turmoil of Arjun which makes him bring out his REAL SELF before Radhika which he doesn't bring out when he is with Sam. When he had the guilt feeling within him, he showed that he is not that evil as he shows himself. Here I like the fact that he is trying to improve himself rather than just being an EVIL person and RUDE MAN. He cannot be forgiven for his rudeness and that's why I appreciated the slap Radhika gave him as he truly deserved it. The next part when Radhika went to ask for an apology was not convincing as he was the one to throw her in that pool. I don't find that romantic at all. I will definitely be happy when Arjun accepts his love for Radhika and tries to become a GOOD HUMAN BEING but not now when he is all for revenge. I want him to slap that moron Saral and then Radhika giving him back as he too was rude to her. I want him to apologize for his deeds and that Saral is a man for whom I can say "Laton ke bhoot, baton se nahi mante." Saral has definitely been brought up badly like Arjun but Saral has a disgusting feeling for girls which Arjun doesn't have. That's the difference between both while the people who are enjoying Arjun's changed behavior definitely don't want him to behave rudely towards Radhika but want him to change. What's wrong in that?

Many people enjoyed the dance and sari draping scene as well (which is not wrong at all) but again Arjun did so because he wants to finish Sam and make her cry and pay for the sins of her father. That's not romantic at all for me as I've also seen a scene where Arjun closed Radhika's mouth thinking she was Sam and also he said that from today, she'll be his (something like that). I guess he wanted to molest Sam that day and that's definitely not something to enjoy or feel the chemistry. It's the actors who did a good job which should be appreciated but definitely not Arjun's motive to destory her and rape her.

Arjun should change his behavior and that I feel only Radhika can make him do so and not Sam. Sam has not been able to read Arjun's feelings. For me, both Saral and Arjun deserve a slap from Radhika for their rude behavior and need to improve themselves.

Edited by erikalui - 10 years ago

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AnuMP

@AnuMP

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Posted: 10 years ago

#69

Err, did I miss something in the show?😕

Who is Kalpana?

Neither SamArj nor ArDhika is romantic. Psychotic criminals are not romantic.

Radhika is self righteous and naive, a dangerous combination. Add passive aggressive to that.

Sam is clueless and insensitive.

Neil was pretty much the only character I liked but that was before they turned him into Nirupa Roy😆

Saral needs to have a Come To God talk.

I am still catching glimpses of the show because it is like a car wreck. You know you shouldn't look but you can't help yourself. 😆. Besides there is nothing else on TV. May be when the Raymond remake starts, I will have something to really enjoy.

Edited by AnuMP - 10 years ago