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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dreamygal301



@ red...that is the purpose of the title, also a wordplay...I thought it was clear to all...Do Dil, Ek Jaan...


Sorry, I know no one wants to hear this.



Oh plz!! I cn never tk it that way!!! The initial promo,the title track everythin makes it very clear that this is a story abt Raghu n Antara!! Satya is nothin bt a major obstacle in their luv story!! This whole show is abt a luv that faces many obstacles n never it hs been abt a luv triangle!! If the concept of the show ws abt a luv triangle,Satya's character wd nt b short lived!! N v al know his character is nt gonna last for long!! He is nothin bt an obstacle that Rantara wl overcome by killin him!! Poor guy is gonna loose his life in this Rantara fire of luv,hate,revengen forgiveness!!! Antara is al abt Raghu the nly difference is b4 it ws luv n nw its hatred,anger n revenge bt she is stil al abt Raghu!! I c no place for Satya in their story!! For me 'Do Dil Ek Jaan' always means Rantara's do dil n they unite to b one Jaan n it wl always remain that way for me!! In fact Antara ones herself said it to Raghu that they both r Do Dil,Ek Jaan!! N Satya character is nt worthy enough that his role wd bcm a part of the title of the show!! Sorry cn never agree to u atleast on this!!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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deeply agree with ur thoughts😛
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: punnubaby



Oh plz!! I cn never tk it that way!!! The initial promo,the title track everythin makes it very clear that this is a story abt Raghu n Antara!! Satya is nothin bt a major obstacle in their luv story!! This whole show is abt a luv that faces many obstacles n never it hs been abt a luv triangle!! If the concept of the show ws abt a luv triangle,Satya's character wd nt b short lived!! N v al know his character is nt gonna last for long!! He is nothin bt an obstacle that Rantara wl overcome by killin him!! Poor guy is gonna loose his life in this Rantara fire of luv,hate,revengen forgiveness!!! Antara is al abt Raghu the nly difference is b4 it ws luv n nw its hatred,anger n revenge bt she is stil al abt Raghu!! I c no place for Satya in their story!! For me 'Do Dil Ek Jaan' always means Rantara's do dil n they unite to b one Jaan n it wl always remain that way for me!! In fact Antara ones herself said it to Raghu that they both r Do Dil,Ek Jaan!! N Satya character is nt worthy enough that his role wd bcm a part of the title of the show!! Sorry cn never agree to u atleast on this!!


Never said you had to agree with me...just that the meaning of the title has double meaning...hence Antu's words and now Satya's part in it.

Agree that Rantara will face obstacle and that is shown in the promos as well...the running, the hiding...implies someone or something is after them. How do you know Satya will be short lived? AD has generated such a buzz maybe the Cvs now want him to stay...who knows which way it will go...just saying not to get hopes up.

Why are you so hung up on the promo? not just you actually but everyone, really can't understand this. I have always maintained that the promos are an analogy, metaphorical, of the obstacles and turning points of the story.

See promos are like ads, they reel in veiwers/buyers...but majority of the case they do not have much of a bearing on the actual product...in this case the story, Do Dil Ek Jaan has had the bare skeleton outlined in the promos but the rest is the fertile imagination of the art director/screenwriter and etc.

I'm afraid it is a case of you (and us) been reeled in by a long fishing pole with bites that promised a delicious story that made us sit up...but so far we had some nice juicy stuff as well as flotsam...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Before I say anything on this , let me be clear neither do i think the serial is flawless or is not inconsistent as far the story narration is concerned. Lack of ample opportunity to the support cast has made certain situations very unrealistic. Though, I feel DG echoed what I think of this story but still below are few of my thoughts on this.
1) The marriage - Lets go back to the circumstance that surrounded this event. We saw her burning the last shreds of her love and memories with Raghu in a room when Satya saves her and gives her a potential reason to live- revenge. He didn't force her but manipulated her emotional imbalance and devastated state to capitalize and score a win for himself. He was looking out for his glory and hence the marriage. For her it meant hurting Raghu and betraying him like he did to her. She was grasping straws to feel and pick and emotion connecting to him and strive to live her life based on it. Add to the huge and momentous revelation of her father's death and all the memories connected to it was again lived and felt by here, this time even with more intensity as the reason was her love- Raghu. The mental state and the lack of any support from her family made her vulnerable to not see what she was doing to herself. She agreed to this marriage, it was a fair game and arrangement for them. But somewhere she is incapable of being with any man or connecting in anyway , hence she imposed the "no touching" clause, which the cunning Satya further worked in his advantage by adding "no raghu" point. She was incapable of thinking or making her any decision , so she fell for this trap. This is necessary to show just how wrong her step was and to give her a reason to not be with someone like Satya. She wanted revenge, but she neither planned it or thought it through, the very same night she scripted her own self-destruct. When this point is violated in a more gruesome manner then she will realize what she has done or perhaps a talk with her mother will make her understand just how far she has destroyed her life. The whole charade of marriage is meant to show her rash hasty and impulsive nature which led her to make a fatal mistake.

Antara was never a headstrong or intelligent girl. When she first arrived from Kashmir , she was as rash and impulsive, jumping to conclusions without any thought. Patience is not her virtue. She is righteous to a fault. Thats about it. She has relied on the men in her life. First her father and then Raghu. She was ready to marry Raghu without giving a thought to how her family would hold financially or emotionally in her absence. No conversation was shown. She , the moment became friends with Raghu stopped making her own decisions. Slapping Raghu, throwing water on the fire-crackers etc were some of the decisions which she took without any pause or thought and she had to bear the consequences. I feel she is a young girl who was burdened with so many responsibilities at such a young age that sometimes she just doesn't know how to handle them.She lives on extremes and in way doesn't stop to see how sometimes things don't work out the way they should. I feel marriage being an impulsive mistake is very true to her character, she has done so in the past and this one is too big to leave her without some retrospection about her naivety and her action.

I don't connect to the woman she is - too fictional , unreal and one dimensional. I understand her in a way of her emotions- disappointment, anguish , hatred etc. I for one cannot imagine anyone being married/love Raghu after all this, even with the truth out because he would represent the death of a father. So year realistically, I could never see someone being ok with that nor will I understand a girl getting married , without financially securing herself or her family. I would not have taken the initial crap of Raghu/Rasika/DM. And how many real life girls would fall in love with a road goon.

The point is Antara is an unrealistic character from the word go, the only thing I want to see her is to realize her mistake, confront her emotions and taking on DM. The whole journey from this to a better place is what makes me invest in this story.

She needed to "feel" this revenge to balm her heart temporarily otherwise she would have died that day. She needs to breathe an emotion connected to Raghu to live. She was not in a position to understand the impact of her arrangement with Satya so her thinking of her mother at that point is moot. Hence the reveal by DM was necessary, it was her first realization of what she has done and her crying infront of God was a very human tendency. She needed to break down and voice what she was bottling , she aired what she feared the most . She had enough of what the world has played her into. Took her father and her lover. She didn't gave up on her love, otherwise she would be indifferent to Raghu, rather the love is snatched from her by the burning pye of her own father. I believe we all understand that there is no way she would have be ok with being around Raghu knowing that his hands were smeared with her father's blood. So her rant to God was justified, that is how anyone reacts when loss and misery cloud them.

I don't know what and how she should have planned her revenge. But seeing as she was so damn broken by the events that she just needed the idea of revenge to live which Satya provided and manipulated her. She s not vile or cold by nature so her taking time out and piecing her moves would be out of character.


Satya- I doubt they have shown her as positive. he is grey with vicious tendencies but is he as dark as his mother , time will tell. But whatever he did last night was purely based on human instincts. That makes it more of a reflex action then any goodness act.

Like I mentioned, they needed her to make this grave impulsive mistake, so that Raghu can swoon in and save the day for her. They need her to be damsel in distress, so as to redeem Raghu. Cliched and typical Indian show mentality. The initial "Mard " emphasis to her state by Raghu showed how her story is incomplete without a man to rely on. We scoffed and some blushed at that but it is how they are going to play it. If they show her giving it back to Satya or defeating DM , then she would be the hero not Raghu. There won't be a reason or a cause for Raghu to be in her life which doesn't play with the tv sensibilities.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi DG, Hi Delena😊

I can name quite a few:...sorry, this has turned out to be long!😃

1. why did Mamaji leave Kashmir and settled in a place like mumbai? Well I thought this was obvious from the first episode. He left because of the terrorism, I think either his home or business got destroyed or he was affected in some ways. But is this a real story? surely the story is about Rantara > which means that Mama needs to be in Mumbai, for Antu to meet Raghu...after her father's death, her mum's health, Mamaji is the nearest male guardian she has. Yes, he could have gone to Delhi or other major cities but then the story would have been different. Mumbai is a city that attracts the homeless, the hopeless and those running away...the seduction of big city is numerous to many...
2. why did DM of all the people made a target out of Dr.Kaul? Did she? I thought he was killed because he treated two terrorists (therefore being true to his hipporcratic oath to first preserve life) and then did his civil duty as a law abiding citizen by reporting them to the police. The terrorist then took badla and had him killed. Her involvement only became evident when Aman got caught...and I think it is a case of her being a gundi with her fingers in so many pie. Dr Kaul is just another innocent casualty, one they had to kill to show 'Do not call the police on the terrorists'...see they rule by fear.🤢
3. why did DM sent Raghu to do to the deed? Again, originally it was said he went to Kashmir because he got into a mess with Shetty and his guys. DM used him to keep him under her thumb, don't forget she wants him at her beck and call. What better way to ensure servitude for life if you hold over someone's head that he killed someone? However, it is yet still to be proven that she sent him to do the deed - what we saw was Aman had to do the deed but he made Raghu carry the box. Even DM was surprised, when she read it in the letter which means she hadn't known about it beforehand. So Raghu was in the right place at the wrong time.
4. the drunkard who use to loiter around surely have a back story with Raghu. what is his connection with him or DM for the matter? Is there a connection? unless you are told I don't think it is wise to conject stories in things that appear on the screenplay. Often it could be nothing more than something that happens few episodes down the line...in this case, he was Antu's saviour by giving her water...so his drunken presence was shown to suggest a guy deep in sadness, then his speech with Antu hinted at a tragic past which made him help her despite Raghu's edict to the Basti.
5. what is the real reason for DM to take Raghu in? she just happen to see him on the streets and took pity? i dont think so. knowing DM, there must be some selfish reason from her part That is still need to be revealed. This is not the time for it. The best place for that would be when Raghu becomes aware of DM's true intention. They need to have a confrontation and during this Dm will try her best to ensure he remembers that he owes her a lot. Stories need to be told in a certain way, one part cannot be revealed in advance without proper lead up.
6. where does Mamaji keep disappearing to? Really not important to the story because otherwise it would be different. Antu would not have been able to romance Raghu with her Mama around. The setting is a displaced girl who connects with a guy different from her. IF her Mama was around, she would not have depended on Raghu for a job or to take them to the hospital when needed or take Ishan to school..> Raghu is the replacement figure of a stable male in her life. It was necessary for Mama to vanish. This is a story device to ensure lead character is set on a path that makes sense (her starting to rely on Raghu after coming back to the basti).
7. why is DM hiding her true face from Raghu?You want the whole story to be over in five minutes?😲😆...all leading to the climax of the show, be patient...so much to tell in between
8. what happen to Antara wanting to support her family on her own? Never did happen did it? Love got in the way, which shows how important it is to her.
9. why would Antara forget about her own family before stepping into take revenge? i still fail to understand the logic behind this marriage twist. Perhaps she thinks she needs to do this. Who else will avenge her father's death? not Ishaan, nor her sick mother, vanishing Mama is too busy vanishing...you see my drift. Marriage twist was not brilliant, just another writerly version of lemmings and clifftops, but nothing we can do just watch until it swings back to the main story thread again.
10. Raghu's past is yet to be explored as well. IS this important? we have been given the important facts that we need to know - he is an orphan, who feels abandoned, feels he had failed his mother and is now starved of motherly love and that he happens to have a lot of female friends!😆...Seriously, all stories have one protagnonist. However in love stories, both the hero and heroine are the protagonist but there will always be one that is the main character. In my mind, given the way we had been shown the story, Antara is definitely the main protagonist of the story followed by Raghu. So we will see her transformational arc more than his, we will see more of her story than his. However, personally I would love to see some balance and get more of his emotions at this moment and later.


see, we still have so many things to explore and it could have been done so without this marriage twist. if i had wanted to see this kind of story, i would have watched other shows. every show gives us the same story and its retold in different version. if you call this twist a story, then i dont know. I agree there is more to explore and the beauty of a story is that you can always come up with something different. The difficulty is the medium the story is being told via. In books, you can have a series running to 10 books if you want with the same characters but TV show is a different animal altogether and especially Indian TV shows. They have a limited amount of time they can tell the story they had envisaged. Within that they work on a tight deadline and a lot depend on editing - seriously what we see and understand on screen depends on the editing skill. So if often things are jumbled and does not makes sense, it boils down to editing. Then you have the stars, who are human and have good days and bad days and often no matter the acting skill some of it slips through hence 'flat days' or 'lacklustre' acting and etc. Twist can be anything including this marriage and revenge by Antu, but we don't all have to agree on it. Everything is subjective after all. The problem with 'every show giving the same story' is something quite unique in Indian TV. I think a lot has to do with the conservative viewers, and though story writers want to be bold at the end of the day they have to toe the line otherwise the Censor and watchdogs would be on them. This is something all Indian citizen need to revolt against otherwise it would be the same stuff churned out. We the international veiwers do get frustrated but it was our choice to watch indian shows so it's a case of like it or lump it.

DDEJ is not this. it was never about this. the writers failed to impress the audience with this. and even you have to admit this is a bad call from them. i dont mind any kind of twist as long as there is some logical explanation. if you can give me one, then it'd be great. Again I point out the fact that Indian censorship and trp need factor into what kind of story that can be shown and how bold a line they can take. In the few years I've watched Indian show I've come to realise two things: 1. all show start of differently but 2. The guy and gal always get married and then kitchen politic start...everything else in between is incidental. Same here with DDEJ. I personally will only stick with the story as long as some promise of the show is being fulfilled or hinted on. The moment I think there is nothing there to keep me watching it, I would just go off somewhere else.

Logic is subjective, what makes sense to you may not make sense to someone else. In stories you need to look at the characters, the core values and goals and motivation including their worldview to make sense of their actions.

Both Raghu and Antu want love and to belong to one another as a family. That is their essence, their core values if you like. Everything they did led them to one another - the fights, the flirting, the mock fights and drug like dependency on one another. Then she finds out that he was involved in her dad's death and her loyalty and love for her father rears up (this has already been established that she is a daddy's girl in the first week). So, perfectly in keeping with her character, she knows the best revenge to have on Raghu is deprive him of her love and deny him the sense of family he craves. She goes one step further and removes herself in such a way that he could not make her weak and give into him when he comes to her with folded hands. She gets married to someone else. It may not make sense to you and me but it makes perfect sense to Antara and that is all that matters.

It has never been about applying real life logic to a fictional situation.


Edited by Dreamygal301 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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omggg DG...i hv becum ur fan...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: ankusanu

omggg DG...i hv becum ur fan...

Me too a fan of DG.! All her posts her just superb.! Sometimes makes me speechless.!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: brat2008

@ Gagan 👍🏼 Just loved the way you put it down👏
Do dil ek jaan connected to me in many ways 😊 But now the disconnect is so strong. Am really finding it hard to get back to it
Abt satya ruling the roost & calling the shots in the so called marriage really boggles my mind😕
Is there more to it than that meets the eye😲
We!! Would not credit the creatives to do anything out of the ordinary🤢

About satya turning positive😲😲 I just would not buy it😡😡
I want him to stay evil & downright evil 😡😡
If satya turns positive 🤢wouldnt Mrs Antara satya Naik be obliged to stayin this marriage😡
There is no satisfaction in finishing off an enemy in a battlefield who is helpless🤢 it is the pride you need to feel when you destroy the evil which is equally strong😕
Same is the case with Raghu & satya on loggerheads . No sympathy code to be played here pls😡
Always wanted Raghu to fight for his love not accept it in charity from the looser😡
So the long & short of it ----- Satya not turning positive. PERIOD😡

Brat!!!! 🤗
Bingo! It doesnt give me the satisfaction of good winning over evil. I guess it all depends on what you look for in a show and I can relate to your thought right now. The writers have invoked so much hatred within me for Satya that this would not satisfy my want and desire.
Well this is my intention for the post... I hope there is more to what meets the eye. I think the writers have left out the most important chunk of the marriage with Satya.. its the discussion that was partially shown between Satya and Antara.. I would like to see a flashback of what went through Antara;s mind while she made this decision. How is Satya imposing this condition and why did she accept it?
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Sia, Harshu, and Sia..
sorry am linking you all together lol as you know replying individually is a challenge for me sitting at work.. To be honest I really want to see a flashback of the deal. I just want to understand what Antara felt when making such a decision.. why should the audience assume everything?
Now the only thing that makes me excited is that finally there is a seed of suspicion in Antara's mind with respect to DM and I also think the BTS that we saw where Rasika is trying to poison Raghu will also play a huge role in her trying to discover the truth... because why would anyone want to poison Raghu? this will be a big question for Antara.. she can never stop loving raghu so the care will be evident.
This is where the journey for truth starts.. its much more entertaining then watching AD make weird faces as Satya everyday..
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Never said you had to agree with me...just that the meaning of the title has double meaning...hence Antu's words and now Satya's part in it.

Agree that Rantara will face obstacle and that is shown in the promos as well...the running, the hiding...implies someone or something is after them. How do you know Satya will be short lived? AD has generated such a buzz maybe the Cvs now want him to stay...who knows which way it will go...just saying not to get hopes up.

Why are you so hung up on the promo? not just you actually but everyone, really can't understand this. I have always maintained that the promos are an analogy, metaphorical, of the obstacles and turning points of the story.

See promos are like ads, they reel in veiwers/buyers...but majority of the case they do not have much of a bearing on the actual product...in this case the story, Do Dil Ek Jaan has had the bare skeleton outlined in the promos but the rest is the fertile imagination of the art director/screenwriter and etc.

I'm afraid it is a case of you (and us) been reeled in by a long fishing pole with bites that promised a delicious story that made us sit up...but so far we had some nice juicy stuff as well as flotsam...



Hi DG!!! Talkin abt Satya's character short lived I din mean that he wd last in the show for a month or 2,I jus meant that his character won't remain til the end of the show or probably nt even til half the show,maybe jus for few months,n hw many months that depends on cv's!!

Y do I feel this way il try to explain...,
Even b4 Satya's entry v Hd an article which stated that Antara wl marry Satya n al of us in the forum wer completely freaked out wid this news!! I always believed that if the marriage happens also its nly gonna b a fake marriage!! Bt wen the marriage ws actualy aired I got a shocker n the article turned out to b right!! The same article also stated that later Satya's character wl bcm of an abusive lover which wl create havoc in antara life n later he wl die n then Raghu wl again try to achieve Antara!!

I think abt satya becomin an obsessive an abusive lover that wl happen ones Antara realises Raghu's innocence,then Satya wd know he cn never gt Antara's love n it is then he wl turn totaly black!! V also know that the team hv already shot a few epi in Kashmir that are yet to b telecasted!! I believe this track wd cm nly after Satya's death!! If nt its nt possible for Rantara been togather in Kashmir if Satya is alive!! Nw surely if they r done with a lil bit of shootin abt that track im sure they won't plan to telecast it after a year or so!!

Puttin al this togather im hopin Satya's character is nt for a very long period!!!

Comin to the double meanin abt the title,I know dear that ur nt askin me to agree wid u nor ur askin nyone else in this forum to agree wid u!! U jus said ur POV n likewise I said mine!!! If ny statement of mine ws offensive I din mean to!!

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