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Posted: 13 years ago
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Fantastic episode tonight. Just awesome.
I would like to appreciate the writers' work tonight because they provided us with answers. They clarified many things that we'd all been debating and pondering over for months. I'm quite satisfied/content with the answers that we got tonight because they confirmed some things and reassured others -- which we've all needed for a while now.
The frustration eased a bit with tonight's episode.
For one thing, you finally know where the characters stand and all cards are on the table now. And the fight has gotten interesting because Raghav/Sia and Komolika are playing V's game but on their own terms, and they're steps ahead for once. It's refreshing to see the dark side dethroned throughout the episode, losing.
Also, at the bottom of the feedback, after the cons, I've added another section just for tonight that highlights an issue in relation to victim blaming and Jahnvi/Sia.
Without further procrastination...
>> Pros:
1) Komolika enters as Sia's saasu maa
What a mindblowing scene and clever twist. I have to compliment Urvashi, because that woman was outstanding tonight. From the moment that she entered with confidence and cleverly spun the story of being Sia's mother-in-law to when she presented the wedding album and check-mated V.
Just some months back, V had her hanging from the ceiling by a rope. I loved how she'd sustained her guts back then, refusing to tell him anything about Jahnvi's whereabouts. I loved her even more tonight when she -- despite the death threat -- met V's eyes without a single moment's hesitation, even smirking at him. She took her revenge tonight for the hanging that he put her through, and added to that it was just amazing to see her strong, still determined to support Sia, to help her win this fight.
It was a powerful scene altogether. You'll want to note Komolika's expressions throughout and how she glanced at V, knowingly, smirked at him. I loved the way that she looked up and went "mere beta jahan bhi ho..." That cracked me up. Fantastic. And the eye-contact between her and Raghav/Sia was priceless.
Just fabulous performances tonight. I really hope that nothing happens to her. She's their best and strongest weapon against V. She's their advantage and V's disadvantage.
2) Raghav/Sia and their amused expressions as they watched V
First, it was a treat to watch V squirm, for once.
Second, Raghav's and Sia's expressions tonight were just priceless. The slight smirk that hovered around Raghav's lips -- and which he tried to suppress by brushing a finger over his mouth -- it had me laughing in delight. Just awesome. Sia's lips twitched in an almost smile several times, but her eyes laughed more, and that was even better.
It was amusing to watch V squirm. To see him lose. And I love how they both observed it, his expression, his reaction to every word.
When Komolika presented the death certificate, I was in splits.
V, once again, underestimated the people around him.
3) Sia's flashback of her conversation with Komolika
Thank the writers for this addition. It was needed. We all needed logic at this point and we got it through Sia's flashback as she recalled her conversation with Komolika.
I especially liked how they showed Komolika search V's house for the tapes.
4) Raghav/Sia and Komolika discuss their plan
I'm so glad that we were given the process of everything in tonight's episode. We also got to see the trio discussing their plan. I liked how Komolika mentioned that Sia was the one who had called her, because she'd wanted Raghav out of prison. It was a significant detail in terms of how much it said about Sia's character and her gradually growing feelings for him.
Plus I just loved how Komolika took the lead here. She came up with the plan and both of them trusted her, trusted that she knew what she was doing. It was a bonding moment as well for all three of them.
Like Komolika said, her plan had two purposes: 1) to bail Raghav out of prison, and 2) to expose V. I'm glad that it was mentioned how Sia had asked Komolika for proof of how V had committed domestic violence, because she wanted a divorce. I was so relieved that the writers hadn't forgotten about that. Divorce is what the battle should lead toward now, as well as V's arrest. And it is.
5) Komolika describes V and presents a message to the audiences
This was the highlight of tonight's episode. When Komolika characterized V, described him to the audiences, and clarified a lot of things about his nature. Everything Komolika said had me going like this, at the end of it:
Some of the absolute best points were:
>> V won't ever change, he will only become more dangerous [message presented].
>> V needs to be treated like an intelligent criminal, not a patient [message presented].
>> Don't pity V. It'll be a mistake. He might have a mental disorder, but that doesn't mean that he should be set loose in society [message presented].
>> V knows that what he does is wrong and harmful -- and he enjoys it [sadistically].
>> V plays with people's lives.
I also loved how Komolika said that V's arrest was Sia's responsibility. Sia bent her head at this, as if she felt guilty/ashamed for having ignored the issue on purpose. Nice detail.
Something else that is commendable: Raghav's sharp observation that V could very well react the way that he knew they wanted him to react.
6) Raghav and Komolika talk about Sia, and Raghav's selfless love
Raghav and Komolika had fantastic chemistry. It was nice to see her discuss Sia with him without Sia's presence since I felt that the talk was needed. Raghav needed to express a few things, and something that was evident in this scene was Raghav's pure heart, mind, and nature.
When he selflessly told Komolika that what mattered to him was that Sia won the right to lead her own life her own way, that she regained her freedom -- I simply had to lean back and shake my head in awe. That was just beautiful. Fantastic performance by Harshad in this shot as well -- since delivering such [flowery] dialogues can quickly seem unconvincing, but it was his voice modulation and how expressive his eyes were tonight that managed to convince me of every word from his mouth.
Rather than V, Raghav is the husband material and role model that young men should be looking up to, admire. He represents justice as well as hope and purity, yet he has his flaws, which make him human and tangible.
The display of his selfless nature also emphasized the point that he isn't selfish, and that V is wrong when he tries to convince Sia of Raghav being selfish.
7) Taashu pulls Raghav aside and tells him about Sia
Much awaited Taashu/Raghav confrontation. First thing, I'm glad that the writers kept her in character and had her telling what she'd seen to Raghav. It's what Taashu would have done. She loves Raghav and doesn't want to see him hurt. But I have a bad feeling that she'll be the reason that something goes horribly wrong with the plan.
The performances from both actors were brilliant. The way that Raghav grabbed her arm and tried to stutter out an explanation without revealing anything, his hand fluttering up to his face and then down, not knowing how to explain the situation, and the way that Tashu got upset, her voice high-pitching, agitated with his poor response.
Something that I really appreciate is small details that deepen relationships. Like when Taashu grabbed Raghav's hand and pulled him aside.
8) Sia overhears Raghav's confession
Finally, it's out. Now she knows for sure. I really loved her expression. It wasn't shocked, per se, and it wasn't upset either -- it was... thoughtful, as if she were thinking, searching within herself. I liked that as it added some depth to Sia as well.
9) V attempts to brainwash Sia, but she doesn't listen
If Sia's character has finally reached that point where she doesn't fall for his lies and all of his manipulation anymore, then she won't buy his words tonight either. His brainwashing reminded me of the Devil's whispers.
V was desperate in this shot. Good to see him out of control.
There was a shot tonight that I found very disturbing -- when V was at the mandir and the way that he held onto the branch, tall, animalistic. He didn't appear human. And he made me think of the arrogance of Lucifer as the symbolism in that shot seemed to show God, the mandir, and the Devil -- as in V disrespectfully hanging by the tree in a demonic manner. Fabulous shot, by the way.
>> Cons:
None. Zilch. Nada. Except that I hated the precap.
Do watch the episode. It was great. Feedback ends here. Now I'll be addressing an issue that I opened a separate thread on earlier. The issue on victim blaming. This is for those who might have missed the topic. It's important to highlight the issue.
>><<
For quite a while, I've been noticing the kind of comments made on Jahnvi. Not just in this forum, but outside it as well.
The comments disturbed me because, upon research, this kind of perception/mentality in relation to a victim of DV/rape is considered victim blaming. It's a behavior defined as the observer blaming the victim rather than the abuser. It is an attitude that only reinforces the very thing that the abuser always tells the victim: that it's her fault, that she's to blame for whatever happened/is happening to her. In fact, by sharing this attitude, society supports and permits the abuser to commit violence against his victim and avoid any responsibility for his actions.
But we all know that abusers have a choice and if they commit a crime such as abuse, it's their choice that leads to this act. It's how they choose to respond to their partner's actions, comments, whatsoever. Because there are alternative ways to deal -- aside from abuse. One option would be walking away.
Examples of victim blaming in Jahnvi's case:
"Jahnvi doesn't deserve V."
"She ran away instead of fighting him."
"Jahnvi should've tried to treat him."
"Why the hell did she stay in the first place?"
She has been called names, of course. She's been called a "#itch", "sneaky, slimy", and a "compulsive liar". She has also been called "worthless" and "w#ore". There are some who believe that she is "devious" and her thinking is considered "twisted", "self-seeking".
It's interesting how no one blames V for abusing Geeta, Jahnvi, Priya, and even the maid. No, the victims are blamed. "Why didn't they fight him?" or "Why did Priya fool him?" The victim is blamed and held responsible for running away -- even if staying back destroys her. The victim is called a "gold-digger" for a marriage that she agreed to only because it was something that her parents thought to be a good match.
The victim is called an adulteress for allowing a friendship to a man who happens to like her and who she happens to look up to. The same victim is now being called slimy and a cheat for using less-than-squeaky-clean methods to get rid of her abuser. And the same victim is required to fight her abuser alone -- even though the abuser has unfair advantages and has found her before she's been able to let go of her past.
How is it that she can only be a "good" character if she fights alone and uses the cleanest of all methods in order to rid of him? And if her methods are underhanded because of the demands of the situation, then her character is called into question?
Why should she have to adhere to such high moral standards?
Either way, she's in danger and her mental state is barely ever paid attention to when she is critisized. The fact that she hasn't even healed, that she suffers nightmares and panic attacks frequently, and V returns before her healing has even begun, is never taken into account. Instead, she's the one put in the stocks.
When she does become self-serving, looking out for her own safety first, the fact that she hasn't even gotten out of her PTSD yet isn't even taken into account, nor is the fact that she takes help because her own experiences have reinforced her own sense of low self-worth.
Victim blaming is a serious issue and it's a dangerous thing. If victims know that they will be blamed, they will not feel safe speaking up about their abuse and there'll be much less of a chance that they'll seek support.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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beautiful episode...i was so damn happy aftr d epi..🥳
esp luved RAGHAV nd komilika convo, awesum, just awesum..
RAGHAV nd taashu were as usual at ere best, luv d cuteness in dere chemistry...it was an aww 4 both RPS nd taashu dat both really cares 4 each oder...
But full marks 2 komoilka 4 using her brain 2 d fullest..
i wish she stays 4 ddis whole week, i want her wid RaghavI..
Edited by harshu.sundas - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ana you said it all. 👏

I loved tonight's episode...we got answers and now we know where the characters are heading. ⭐️

For me tonight's episode was perfect...the symbols...the characters...the story - which is on the right track. ⭐️

Now I think a lot of things are going to be interesting. ⭐️

The big fight, Raghav and Sia's relationship, them pretending to be husband and wife in the same room/house. Sia knowing, the true about Raghav's feelings for her. Viraj losing control and getting desperate. How Raghav's mom is going to react when the true is out, Raghav's sisters feeling that Sia is using Raghav and now I am just waiting for Raghav's past to be revealed...like you I am waiting for the big secret between Komal and Raghav to come out. ⭐️

I like Komal's character and I love the way the actress has given her character so much depth. ⭐️ 👏

To your last part Ana...I can only agree 👍🏼...very well said 👏👏...victims are always blamed and what I love about this show is, that no one (in the show) is blaming Sia - this is the right message to send. ⭐️

Honestly, it is ok to be selfish sometime and look after yourself...as long you do not hurt others (good human being) in the process. It is ok to walk away when something is hurting you so much, that you are losing yourself.

Someone ones said something...I never forgot. Only invest as much in a relationship, that you can afford to lose.

In the end it is all about your conscience...if it is clear...then what you are doing cannot be wrong.

Now this does not ad to Viraj...because he do not have a conscience.

And

Sia has to play the same game as Viraj...to win.

Edited by Ani_98 - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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wow... excellent note at the bottom...⭐️ the episode was awesome... we got most of the answers we were looking for and we didnt have v popping into each and every scene... 😃 with his taperecorder... 🥱

1) Komolika enters as Sia's saasu maa

my first reaction to this was... oh crap...
what is she doing... digging their already quite deep pit of lies... but her reasoning, logic, her uninterrupted, non hesitant voice left me impressed, adding to the expressions of harshad, sriti, urvashi herself ... made this quite a powerful scene.. even i hope that nothing happens to her... but v's threat that he will kill her is unsettling... hope that they show a scene of some protection being given to her

4) Raghav/Sia and Komolika discuss their plan

again a highlight of tday's episode... so many messages which u have already pointed out being presented to the audience... how jhanvi wanted a divorce bcoz she suffered DV... i liked how emphasis was given to komolika... the flow of her scene was uninterrupted... she was given powerful, hard hitting dialogues which was drilled into the minds of the audience...

6) Raghav and Komolika talk about Sia and Raghav's selfless love

this is another scene that i liked simply coz of raghav's expressions...
😍 i was star struck..😍 and had to shake myself out of my reverie. the way he goes on to describe that sia had a right to live her life without any pressure, suppression, that he understands that she cannot commit herself to another relation with a man anymore... he only seeks her happiness... raghav certainly shut those people up who accuse him of taking advantage of sia's situation for his greed, happiness.. ⭐️ with a capital S

9) V attempts to brainwash Sia, but she doesn't listen

more than his brainwashing... its the mandir scene that spooked me... his dialogue of who's the best?? * me, myself and I* again showcases how v loves only himselfand no one else... komolika was right when she said that jhanvi is v's most *priced possession*... fabulous choice of wrds..

as for ur note on victims... society itself is more partial towards men... men r forgiven for the most henious crimes... ( for eg DV) but its not the same for women... v tday is worshipped, adored bcoz he is a man... kvb in paticular who plays him.. if it was a woman i highly doubt the worshipping wud have taken place



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Posted: 13 years ago
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Just a suggestion, It would be better if you write the precap along with your feedback, instead of doing it separatly in a different thread...what do you think ?
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aya.

Just a suggestion, It would be better if you write the precap along with your feedback, instead of doing it separatly in a different thread...what do you think ?

Usually I do the precaps separately for people to catch up on what's going to happen in the next episode, and discuss that separately. Tonight was an exception.
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Originally posted by: flutterby


this is another scene that i liked simply coz of raghav's expressions... 😍 i was star struck..😍 and had to shake myself out of my reverie. the way he goes on to describe that sia had a right to live her life without any pressure, suppression, that he understands that she cannot commit herself to another relation with a man anymore... he only seeks her happiness... raghav certainly shut those people up who accuse him of taking advantage of sia's situation for his greed, happiness.. ⭐️ with a capital S

Word, yaar. That was my thought exactly. Plus I just really love how they've built up Raghav's character as this down-to-earth, selfless guy. It doesn't even occur to him to demand anything in return for everything that he does for people -- yet note how he's constantly rewarded in the sense that he's been given solid relationships that are based on people's love for him and their trust in him. They care for him, but it's out of their own free will -- not because he forces them to or expects them to.
more than his brainwashing... its the mandir scene that spooked me... his dialogue of who's the best?? * me, myself and I* again showcases how v loves only himselfand no one else... komolika was right when she said that jhanvi is v's most *priced possession*... fabulous choice of wrds..
The mandir scene was very creepy. Did you notice his stance and entire symbolism of the setting? He looked less than human, devilish. Yes, his dialogues on himself as the Greatest Dobriyal once again showed us his self-obsessed nature. It proved Komolika's point, as you said.

Always look forward to your feedback 😳
Edited by Elysia - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Elysia


It doesn't even occur to him to demand anything in return for everything that he does for people



Ek second! He demands the apple! 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Can we just say how much we love Komal? She's been so adorable throughout the whole fake marriage about Raghav and Sia. She was the only one who was just thrilled at the fact that the two were married and she didn't even really care that it was done secretly or anything. And in this episode where she kind of subtly mentioned that Sia and Raghav had to sleep in one room was great! And how she was just excited for the two of them the whole time I think it's just too cute. 😳
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Originally posted by: tanvi1512

Can we just say how much we love Komal? She's been so adorable throughout the whole fake marriage about Raghav and Sia. She was the only one who was just thrilled at the fact that the two were married and she didn't even really care that it was done secretly or anything. And in this episode where she kind of subtly mentioned that Sia and Raghav had to sleep in one room was great! And how she was just excited for the two of them the whole time I think it's just too cute. 😳

I should be punished for neglecting Komal's part. Of course, she was amazing. Gosh, this is why I love it when you guys post your thoughts on the episode as you always complement my feedback by adding the details I've missed.
Though I still can't believe how I forgot to mention Komal as she's one of my favorite characters on the show *facepillar*

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