Episode Feedback: 08/08/2012 - Page 4

Originally posted by: betty123

I was wondering why Sia bared the pain n rewatched the epi nw n I m like "Yes!! Its the Raghav effect".

Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

My points, again 😆

3. Yknow I actually liked the creepy stick scene better than the burning roses one, even though cinematography-wise the latter was great. Kind of reminded me of a scene in Charlie Chaplin's The Great Dictator, where the Hitler-like character is shown doing a ballet-like dance with a globe - a symbol of his desire to conquer the world. Here you see these stylized motions with that stick and they sort of become less of a prop he uses and more of a depiction of his true desire...to destroy whoever refuses to play their part in the script he created.

You put it so much better than me, Biz. That's exactly what I meant with V connecting to his stick/with his stick. It has become a manifestation of his desire.

4. Another thing I liked about both this stick scene and the scenes after is this refrain Viraaj consistently uses: 'If there's no fear, there's no respect. If there's no respect, there's no love'. What does this tell me? That even by Viraaj's standards of what constitutes love, he is incapable of loving her...in fact, incapable of loving anyone. It also tells you what is missing in their marriage: respect. He never respected Jhanvi, never valued her for the person she was. It kinda tells you how easily he assumes that the onus of the marriage being successful rests solely on Jhanvi's shoulders -- that whether he fits his own definition of love is immaterial really. This is quite a good way to move towards the overall 'dard humay bhi hota hai' theme -- of course he knows that they feel pain -- it's the reason he does what he does -- but what he doesn't get is the meaning of the pain he inflicts, the scars that can leave. He's comfortable what he does because the receiver is never him. In his perfect little world, the reciever of pain will always be the other person. Dard humay bhi hota hain. You enjoy this because you wouldn't dare feel the same pain that I do. Think about it.

Bold: I love how you explained it. My thought exactly. I've never believed that V loved her, not by any standards. He's in love with the idea of his perfect image of Jahnvi. His perfect creation. Not the actual Jahnvi Sharma.

5. I love the subtle continuation of the dard theme in the hot water scene. This is Sia's checkmate...by closing the door, she proves him to be the utter coward he is...by stepping into that hot water and not giving in at any point, she makes sure he doesn't get what he wants, and proves that he can never really get her into that Jhanvi-state again. And by not telling him anything, in fact letting him experience the same pain, she proves how uninvolved he is himself in the pain he metes out. That reaction alone, and his reaction to the prick of his sword - both of which were exaggerated - sorta of gives me the impression that he's had very few instances of physical pain in his adult life. Which makes his enjoyment of seeing other people in that state a lot more gut-wrenching.

Word, Biz. He reacted to it like a child would react to pain. Yelling, exaggerating. It tells us that he has no real understanding nor any actual experience with what pain is. V might've seen people in pain, but it doesn't seem like he has ever felt pain on his own body. Makes me wonder what he's so bitter at God for.

Originally posted by: BizzyLizzy

My points, again 😆

1. Loved how close to life the discussion between Raghav and Mr. Agarwal was. Especially the follow-up questions that he asked regarding who called the lawyer and got him to meet R in the first place.

2. RaghavI roothna-manaana scene? One of my favourites for one BIG reason: you become rootha hua with someone only when you think you have haq over them. When you're not afraid to say what you think...have we ever seen her talking even to Raghav that way even earlier? She may have trusted him earlier, but her fear for men meant that when Raghav - however good his intentions were - chastised her, she would shrink away. That's just how she'd been wired ever since her marriage. Kind of like classical conditioning - you prime a person to become hypersensitive to any sort of raised voice or anger, they're bound to react that way to anyone whatever the context. Having her say 'Sure, why should I be angry, I'm so scared I have no right to be angry' says A LOT about how much she's healing. She cries at the sight of Raghav's wounds, but you can see it's because she knows how much what they're both doing is affecting both. Raghav didn't deserve to pay for what V viewed as her transgressions, but she also knows they can't stop. That train's left the station, honey, and boy are we glad it did! 😆

3. Yknow I actually liked the creepy stick scene better than the burning roses one, even though cinematography-wise the latter was great. Kind of reminded me of a scene in Charlie Chaplin's The Great Dictator, where the Hitler-like character is shown doing a ballet-like dance with a globe - a symbol of his desire to conquer the world. Here you see these stylized motions with that stick and they sort of become less of a prop he uses and more of a depiction of his true desire...to destroy whoever refuses to play their part in the script he created.

4. Another thing I liked about both this stick scene and the scenes after is this refrain Viraaj consistently uses: 'If there's no fear, there's no respect. If there's no respect, there's no love'. What does this tell me? That even by Viraaj's standards of what constitutes love, he is incapable of loving her...in fact, incapable of loving anyone. It also tells you what is missing in their marriage: respect. He never respected Jhanvi, never valued her for the person she was. It kinda tells you how easily he assumes that the onus of the marriage being successful rests solely on Jhanvi's shoulders -- that whether he fits his own definition of love is immaterial really. This is quite a good way to move towards the overall 'dard humay bhi hota hai' theme -- of course he knows that they feel pain -- it's the reason he does what he does -- but what he doesn't get is the meaning of the pain he inflicts, the scars that can leave. He's comfortable what he does because the receiver is never him. In his perfect little world, the reciever of pain will always be the other person. Dard humay bhi hota hain. You enjoy this because you wouldn't dare feel the same pain that I do. Think about it.

5. I love the subtle continuation of the dard theme in the hot water scene. This is Sia's checkmate...by closing the door, she proves him to be the utter coward he is...by stepping into that hot water and not giving in at any point, she makes sure he doesn't get what he wants, and proves that he can never really get her into that Jhanvi-state again. And by not telling him anything, in fact letting him experience the same pain, she proves how uninvolved he is himself in the pain he metes out. That reaction alone, and his reaction to the prick of his sword - both of which were exaggerated - sorta of gives me the impression that he's had very few instances of physical pain in his adult life. Which makes his enjoyment of seeing other people in that state a lot more gut-wrenching.

6. The Raghav police scene? Let me first stop drooling at the sight of Raghav masquerading as a cop 😆 But seriously, I loved how effectively he was able to gauge the seriousness of the situation and took action. Breaking out of jail may be wrong, but there was enough going on for Raghav to realise that in a house where she couldn't tell anyone about the abuse meted out her, she needed some sort of backup. This isn't Khoon Bhari Maang!

7. Also, Raghav's 'Viraaj ke haar ke nishaan' dialogue. Pure gold. Viraaj failed -- because his ability to mete out pain didn't have the effect he expected it to have. Because he doesn't understand the complexities of the people experiencing it. It's a lot like what Sia says to Viraaj when he says 'why didn't you tell me the water was so hot Jaan?'. She tells him that you need to understand pain, you need to understand the way it works. He doesn't realise that when you deliver pain so frequently and with little reason, it loses its importance. The moment they realise that he will give it to them no matter what, it stops becoming a weapon to promote fear and starts becoming their weapon against him.

What makes Raghav and Sia counter it? It's their belief in themselves, that what Viraaj does to them cannot alter who they are anymore! It's their victory.

In short, I love where they're going with this 😆