how many are satisfied with mahadevs ans/DT Nt pg3 - Page 3

thanks for reopening but plz take care of certain comments

We all have the right to voice what we feel is not right and I will do so if I don't find anything right. For me the whole Jalandhar track left a lot to be desired we are talking today about Mahadev being convincing or not but the whole J track is the most unconvincing track that we have had in DKDM. How come no one voices about that.
I don't understand what was the purpose of Mahadev taking panchanan roop but nothing happened to Jalandhar he was perfectly alright and gave a long bhashan yesterday which left me with a severe migraine.

Thanks for reopening the topic .


But then now i dont get what to discuss i mean there are lot of restrictions imposed on us.
Sorry to say that member said jalandhar as mahadev illegitimate child ,i know its not been mentioned in show but is our assuption purely wrong.I mean the actor playing jallandhar and mahadev is same and ansh is normally if you watch ,a mother say he is my ansh,my child,my blood .Although its not said directly but again n again refering specially M ka ansh ,so arent we are supose to get that feeling of he being mahadev s child,even its said or not said,we feel it that way.
Nways your l close the topic becoz there is no free liberty to speak our heart.So whats the point to keep it open!I would say i m not against forum rules ,its just that if topic cant be discussed freely.Whats the point!

Originally posted by: tanvismile

Thanks for reopening the topic .


But then now i dont get what to discuss i mean there are lot of restrictions imposed on us.
Sorry to say that member said jalandhar as mahadev illegitimate child ,i know its not been mentioned in show but is our assuption purely wrong.I mean the actor playing jallandhar and mahadev is same and ansh is normally if you watch ,a mother say he is my ansh,my child,my blood .Although its not said directly but again n again refering specially M ka ansh ,so arent we are supose to get that feeling of he being mahadev s child,even its said or not said,we feel it that way.
Nways your l close the topic becoz there is no free liberty to speak our heart.So whats the point to keep it open!I would say i m not against forum rules ,its just that if topic cant be discussed freely.Whats the point!

well said dear..i was really suprised why this topix was closed in the first place...but am glad its unclocked

in this forum many topics are closed.

some for genuine reasons and some on mere grounds of suspicion/doubt.
watever i soon quitting IF to focus on studies so it doesnt matter to me. 😆

Originally posted by: mnx12

Was he Shivji's child, to begin with? Even after knowing he is Shivji's ansh, did he ever called him or treated him as his father? Never. He only wated to be his Vikalpa, questioning his rights. He never considered Parvati his mother. For him she was just a mean to stop his death.

He was Shivji's ansh, was powerful because of his origin's strength. Did Shivji ever withdrew his powers? Never? J was always allowed to progess in his life. He was on right track initially but in his Ego, went in a different direction. He chose his Karmas. So had to pay for that too.

I wish they had shown the Purana's story. This DKDM Purana has twisted this story so much.

I am happy it has ended today.

Originally posted by: itstimetospeak

in this forum many topics are closed.

some for genuine reasons and some on mere grounds of suspicion/doubt.
watever i soon quitting IF to focus on studies so it doesnt matter to me. 😆

my friend u make me laugh😆

First of all I would like to clear what I infer by use of the word "illegitimate child" in case of Jalandhar. By illegitimate child I do not take its literal meaning. I look at it as a child who was not planned, not created through fixed laws of nature (which require both male and female parent for procreation), a child born "out of the norm".

I don't see anything wrong or derogatory with it. Since Jalandhar's birth was unusual and out of the purview of Nature's laws.

Yes because it involves religious deities so we could probably have come up with better and more apt phrases.

I am sure none of us want to insult God or offend the sentiments of religious devotees.

Now, coming to the answer to Jalandhar by Mahadev:

I loved that long reply he gave to Jalandhar! I was speechless for a while as I saw it. Such discourses are what we watch a mytho for (apart from epic battles)! 👏

BUT I am divided in my opinion on this reply and how satisfactory it was. 😕

I think timing matters the most. Whether it is someone like Karna of Mahabharat or Jalandhar in DKDM, they learnt truth and got proper communication from the right sources when it was TOO LATE!

The way Mahadev talked to Jalandhar tonight, and the emotion visible in his eyes and voice, couldn't he have talked like that to him earlier? When he first met Jalandhar he told him about him being his ansh in a very "matter of fact" manner. It was very impersonal.

Ego and other things that make a being hard can be melted only with softness, politeness and love. Mahadev radiated peace, power and calm when he first met Jalandhar, but not LOVE or concern.

What's worse is that from then on everyone only kept taunting Jalandhar about being a mere ansh! How would we expect him to take things positively?

Forget Jalandhar! How would you feel if you kept getting taunted or belittled constantly that you were nothing and that you were being talked to, fed or listened to, only due to a Divine ansh present in you? You would somehow feel frustrated no?

People kept treating Jalandhar as if he and the ansh present in him were separate entities. And he was a mere "carrier" of that Mahaan Ansh!

I am not surprised why he was angry, frustrated or insecure!

Also, tell me, how is an individual supposed to "know" that whatever he was provided with, was provided by Mahadev when Mahadev is not even there in person?
No one is born a believer! And in Jalandhar's case no one was there to guide him. No one told him he was Mahadev's ansh. No one ever told him whatever help he was getting was due to Mahadev. No one told him Mahadev equally felt the pain he felt!

His guru told him nothing. Shukracharya saab did not stop or guide him even when he expressed desire to fight a battle against Mahadev!

For Jalandhar all devtas were alike. And Mahadev was in the same "camp".

The sane and polite talk which happened tonight could have been initiated by either of them earlier too. And more so by Mahadev himself since it was He who had given birth to him.

While I accept Mahadev was Omnipresent and it's He who provides everything, but in context of the show and focusing purely on issue at hand (keeping religion and God aside) - I did not find it right that Mahadev only indirectly provided everything to Jalandhar, but never directly took him under his wings.

Why didn't he do so? (I have more questions in my mind but I will not post them lest the moderators or members find it offensive or demand editing it out).

Not everyone can realise "indirect" support or guidance!

I equally blame Jalandhar for not asking these questions earlier, for not trying to be sane, polite earlier and not opening communication channel earlier! All he was interested in was threatening or putting down devtas.

But like I said in my posts previously, I point out Shukracharya's role the most in not giving proper emotional guidance to Jalandhar while growing up, not telling him about his origins and not telling him how the Trideva are different from other devtas like Indra. A Guru is not only supposed to teach warfare to his disciple!

Whatever happened has happened, I am happy Jalandhar got empathy from Mahadev and Shukracharya, got to see his Maa and Vrinda in Mahadev, got blessings from Shukracharya, his sins he's paid for and now everybody bade goodbye to him with a clean heart and Mata Parvati also forgave and blessed him.

😊

He turned into what he originally was and went back to where he came from. He is within his Father now.

He was "let out" for a purpose, now that the purpose is over so is his existence! 😕

He was not like Mahadev's other kids. Unsurprisingly his fate is also not like Mahadev's other kids. Sigh!

An ansh is by no means the same as a child. Yeah, a child is sometimes considered an ansh, but the converse is by no means the case. Had Jalandhar been a child of Shiva, he'd definitely have been lovingly brought up by not just Mahadev, but Parvati as well.

@Vrish

If an ansh is not equal to a child then what is it? What's its importance, place and stature? It has grown into a full being with a mind and heart of its own. Is it fair enough to not give it equal importance because it is just an ansh?

I am confused about this.

Where do kids made out of earth or generated from sweat/anger/tears etc. go? What's their identity, affiliation and where do they derive sense of belonging? Or is it that they have no emotions and only DKDM showed it this way, and they just fulfil the purpose for which they were generated to fulfil?