Himavan's judgement on Sumedha

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Do you agree w/ Himavan's decision regarding Sumedha's marriage?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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Ok, it's been a while, but here's a poll on last night's episode. In last night's episode

Himvan states that wasting time waiting for such an individual is equal to insulting this precious life which is a invaluable gift from GOD .Himvan declares since there s no other go the girl has to marry to a person whom her father has chosen for her.

He then asks to find a suited groom for her n that is Parvath Naresh- Himvan's justice.


In this invented story, a scenario was created where a girl - Sumedha - was put in a predicament similar to Parvati - or was she? Here were some points that paralleled Parvati's:
  • She was promised to someone when she was a kid, and that memory hasn't left her
  • She & her parents have been unable to trace that person
  • However, she refused to consider anyone else
However, there were some important differences
  • The businessman's son was not Shiva
  • There was no way Sumedha could have attained him by doing tapasya to him
Also, even for that era, there was also the other issue of whether it's realistic that Sumedha would be locked into the memory of someone just b'cos her father had promised her @ the age of 3. Under that model, anybody who had a childhood crush on anyone who's no longer available would just have to drop the idea of marriage period. That businessman's son could be married to someone else (and IIRC, only rulers and rishis were allowed multiple wives, not anybody and everybody) or he could even be - god forbid - dead.

Having said that, Parvati's question seemed valid as well - if Sumedha was in love w/ that guy, was it fair to either her or her future husband to force her to marry him? In those times, it was said to be wrong for a woman to marry someone if her heart was devoted to someone else - it would in fact be considered a violation of chastity, which then was not just erotic, but also physical & spiritual (mere touching was considered consummation, as was just thinking about the man in question). Under that standard in particular, was it fair to Sumedha - even in the long run?

In short, do you think that Himavan made the right call yesterday wrt Sumedha? Also, do you consider Sumedha's & Parvati's cases similar or parallel?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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As far as my personal openion goes a person should never be forced to marry anyone. But thats modern thinking😆As for this current instance , we dont know whether the boy in question would have married Sumedha or not? Also does sumedha have enough will power and courage to search for her fiancee? If she has these attributes then Himavat's judgement is wrong. If not, if she will just sulk in a corner and ruin her life and do nothing to find and attract him then Himavat;s judgement is right
Now comming to Parvati, she had courage . will , drive and ultimately she achieved her objectives. But does Sumedha has these attributes? Also most important Shiva loves Parvati. But does this unknown boy think of Sumedha. ?
Edited by NandiniPS - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Good question.i was wondering how come no one opened a topic on sumedha.dis is really an interesting topic 2 discuss.
Regarding Sumedha,Himavan's judgement was absolutely correct if u think it practically.Her parents fixed her marriage wid one guy when she was 3 yrs.old.At dat time,she did not even know da meaning of marriage.When she grew up,she understood her father's promise and started waiting 4 da guy wid whom her father promised 2 marry her.She was not in luv wid dat guy as she has never seen him.She only had eagerness 2 marry him(probably bcoz her parents must hv praised dat guy and his family a lot in front of dat gal).Whatever dat gal felt was jst craziness and immaturity.Now suppose Himavan had given dis judgement dat da gal shd wait 4 da guy 2 come and marry her.What if da guy would hv never turned up?What if sumedha had 2 wait all her life 4 dat guy?Then won't she feel dat i wasted my life 4 dis guy and da guy did not come 2 marry me.dat grief will be da biggest grief of her life.she would hv also felt guilty of hurting her parents who wanted her 2 marry someone else.Due 2 dis uncertainty only,whether da guy will come or not,himavan made dis decision 2 get her married 2 someone else.What himavan said was right."Aaj jo uske liye dukh hai,wohi kal uske sukh ka sabse bada karan banega."
Parvati's case is similar as well as different.It's similar in da sense dat she too is waiting 4 da guy whom she has never seen.At present,what parvati feels 4 shiv is also not luv as she too has never seen him.She will fall in luv wid him when she sees him.Seeing sumedha's condition,she too felt da uncertainty dat what if she never meets shiv.But her case is different frm sumedha now.Dat's bcoz even though her parents mite be against her decision 2 marry shiv,but God is in favour of hers.We don't know what's in sumedha's fate but parvati was born 2 marry shiv so she is more luckier dan sumedha.Her marriage wid Shiv is already written in her fate so no matter,how much da world goes against her,she will find shiv and marry him.
Dis is my opinion on dis topic.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Though both of them are stuck in similar predicaments, there is a huge difference between Sumedha and Parvati. Parvati is Adi-Shakti in a human form. She has already romanced Mahadev in a previous birth-that of Sati. So not only does she have a spiritual connection to him through her previous life, she also has a divine connection through him right from the moment the universe was created.
Sumedha is a mortal however.
And this businessman's son was not suggested to her by some Rishi. Rishis are wise, and they could foretell a person's destiny in those times, so Parvati was wise and understood her destiny right from childhood. Her union with Mahadev was planned by the Gods.
In Sumedha's case the guy was suggested to her by her parents, who are ordinary human beings too. And look at the way she was saying 'I have imagined him, and my wait is my love'. It was a pure case of teenage infatuation,(Remember, in those days girls were married off at 14-16 years of age). You cannot fall in love with somebody you have imagined. Even in Parvati's case, she is just infatuated. Only when she did tapasya for Mahadev did he agree to court her. Sumedha has not done any tapasya as such, she has only fantasized about her would-be husband as most teenage girls like moi are prone to do.😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Interesting Topic Vrish...👍🏼
I think what Himavan did was right-look at it practically and from a fathers point of view-Sumedha was wasting her life over someone who would not even come,after all could a father watch his daughters life just waste away just because she is waiting for someone they have absolutely no clue about?,in the long run as Himavan said it would only give her pain and it would be a waste of the life God gave her...Had i been a Parent maybe i would have done the same thing!
Maina said that having an illusion or a dream need not necessarily get converted into reality,the Guy Sumedha was waiting for could be anything and may not even meet up the hopes she had for him,hence holding to such a dream only spoils ones life!
Parvati and Sumedhas story runs in parallels upto a point-beyond which they do not have any likeliness...
Parvati too had never met Mahadev,but for starters she was destined for him,also Parvati very gustily went and not only Found Mahadev,Met Him,but put in all the considerable amounts of efforts needed to marry him-something which i dont think Sumedha did...Parvati came to know him completely through her present and past life experiences-she made efforts to understand him,and had the will power and patience to make herself worthy of him...Most importantly Mahadev was Parvatis and Parvati was of Mahadev they were part of each other,hence it wasnt like she was marrying a total stranger,he was one of her own!
So in relation to Sumedha Himavans decision was right,but when it comes to Parvati the circumstances will be quite diffrent,so you cant really relate the two stories beyond a certain point!
it will be left to be seen what Himavan does when the same situation comes up for Parvati!
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Cant say!

Situations differ from person to person...and the same judgment cannot be imposed on everyone..
So as far as Sumedha is concerned its not totally wrong ...But Parvathi had a purpose that too a valid one at that.


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Edited by Killer_Shark - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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A Good Question , From parents point of angle ,its right .
But i have a question for her parents ,Is this necessary for them to fix a marriage at the age of 3 for her . And they have done another mistake by keep on reminding that Ristha in her heart .😕. SO after doing this much , they need to vanish every thing from her heart in a second ...
Quite disgusting ...Because a child is just a clay at the age of 3 ..What we say , what we price is best for them , they dont have own brain .

But ,Coming to Sumedha , now she is grown up women , if she needs anything ,she must calculate the possibilities to attain it ,rather than crying before other's .I think before giving the judgement , they must have given chance for her (any way like search that guy , whereabouts etc etc )...Since if she is force fully married to anyone ,she can't get over that guiltiness, So a chance needed ,whether failed or succeed, that will lesson her agony over that unknown guy .
Edited by vanadhi - 13 years ago
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Two humans trapped in simillar circumstances. what differs here is their souls, which allows the person to change the situation or just follow what their parents decide for them. Parents want the best for their children based on their thinking.
Himavan's decision for Sumedha was good. But he as the king should have helped them to search for the boy, with his resources & then given the decision.
Isn't destiny important here? It is said that marriages are made in Heaven. If Sumedha is destined to marry that boy, he will be found soon. Otherwise she will have to accept her parent's decision.
Isn't Parvati's destined to marry Shivji? Then she will follow the path which leads her to Shivji. Let anyone oppose.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Nice poll, Vrish. I was wondering if I should discuss it in the updates thread or elsewhere (if so, where 😆) and then came across this poll.

I don't agree with Himavan's judgement.


In this modern age, no one can compel another person. One can only advise or give suggestions. To accept it or forget it is the person's own choice. These days a person's life depends on his/her own choices and there will be people to support.


In those days, when marriage laws were so orthodox, it is a big injustice to both the bride and the groom if even one of them is forced to marry against their wishes. Parents would say that it is for your own good but its the couple who will suffer. This fact should have been considered by any judge - especially the king.

Not considering the laws of that time and the comparisons with Parvati (whatever the case, this situation deserves the same justice, universally)

It is Sumedha's parents' (and perhaps the merchant's too) fault to have given Sumedha the idea that she belongs to the merchant's son. Just because they couldn't find the groom and now when they find this arrangement inconvenient they want to break it off. Why didn't they keep in touch with that merchant? Why didn't they gather enough information to find them on a later date. If they had been so irresponsible, its not Sumedha's fault. She didn't even confront her parents on fixing her marriage with a guy she has never seen but accepted him with all her heart as her husband (as was the custom those days). For so many years, the parents didn't object to this but all of a sudden if they ask the girl to give up her hopes and get married with another guy, its not so easy. Even if she was forced to marry someone else, Sumedha is the one who will suffer.


Himavan should have gathered information about that merchant and sent his spies/troops to search for the family and find out about the merchant and his son. In case some tragedy has befallen or if he had married someone else, he should have put all the facts before Sumedha and asked her to decide. Whether she chooses to live with the same person, or give him up and marry someone else or live like a saint for the rest of her life rests with Sumedha alone. Its her life so she can choose. If she is forced to marry someone else, she may or may not be able to forget her past. If she is not able to, she will be scorned by her husband and in-laws. A common man may not consider all these fact in the anxiety to get his daughter married but how can a king forget all these?


Be it Parvati or Sumedha, the choice is hers. This series seems to showcase the fact that women's decisions were not respected those days. Even in the episodes when the 4 sons of Brahma challenge Lord Shiva, Devi Saraswati was chosen as the judge but the 4 of them accepted only when Lord Brahma appeared and said that the fourth Veda was authentic. Why couldn't they have asked Mata Saraswati itself? If she had answered with the same words, would it have been unacceptable? It looked like they called her to judge the debate just for name's sake.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Vibhishna

Nice poll, Vrish. I was wondering if I should discuss it in the updates thread or elsewhere (if so, where 😆) and then came across this poll.

I don't agree with Himavan's judgement.


In this modern age, no one can compel another person. One can only advise or give suggestions. To accept it or forget it is the person's own choice. These days a person's life depends on his/her own choices and there will be people to support.


In those days, when marriage laws were so orthodox, it is a big injustice to both the bride and the groom if even one of them is forced to marry against their wishes. Parents would say that it is for your own good but its the couple who will suffer. This fact should have been considered by any judge - especially the king.

Not considering the laws of that time and the comparisons with Parvati (whatever the case, this situation deserves the same justice, universally)

It is Sumedha's parents' (and perhaps the merchant's too) fault to have given Sumedha the idea that she belongs to the merchant's son. Just because they couldn't find the groom and now when they find this arrangement inconvenient they want to break it off. Why didn't they keep in touch with that merchant? Why didn't they gather enough information to find them on a later date. If they had been so irresponsible, its not Sumedha's fault. She didn't even confront her parents on fixing her marriage with a guy she has never seen but accepted him with all her heart as her husband (as was the custom those days). For so many years, the parents didn't object to this but all of a sudden if they ask the girl to give up her hopes and get married with another guy, its not so easy. Even if she was forced to marry someone else, Sumedha is the one who will suffer.


Himavan should have gathered information about that merchant and sent his spies/troops to search for the family and find out about the merchant and his son. In case some tragedy has befallen or if he had married someone else, he should have put all the facts before Sumedha and asked her to decide. Whether she chooses to live with the same person, or give him up and marry someone else or live like a saint for the rest of her life rests with Sumedha alone. Its her life so she can choose. If she is forced to marry someone else, she may or may not be able to forget her past. If she is not able to, she will be scorned by her husband and in-laws. A common man may not consider all these fact in the anxiety to get his daughter married but how can a king forget all these?


Be it Parvati or Sumedha, the choice is hers. This series seems to showcase the fact that women's decisions were not respected those days. Even in the episodes when the 4 sons of Brahma challenge Lord Shiva, Devi Saraswati was chosen as the judge but the 4 of them accepted only when Lord Brahma appeared and said that the fourth Veda was authentic. Why couldn't they have asked Mata Saraswati itself? If she had answered with the same words, would it have been unacceptable? It looked like they called her to judge the debate just for name's sake.

I think it's more of a psychological perspective than a 'justice' perspective. Tomorrow, my daughter wants to marry an abusive alcoholic. She is madly in love with him, and is willing to accept all his flaws. I can respect her choice uptil the point she has children of her own. What kind of an environment will they grow up in? One where constant abuse and neglect is forgiven in the name of 'love'? Love may be the purest emotion in the world, but it can also be very self-destructive.
See, this thing called 'life' is not created by us. It is given to us by some higher unknown power. Hence, before we respect our parents, or even the man we love, we must respect our life above all. By throwing away her life for a man she met when she was only 3 years old, Sumedha might be exercising her free will, but she will also be disrespecting the pleasures of life her parents have worked so hard to give her, and which all human beings are entitled to enjoy. She is not some sadhu or rishi trying to attain moksha, she is just a heartsick young girl. Even in contemporary times,a professional counselor would ask her to 'move on'.😆 Her parents have no right to force her-agreed, but even she must understand her behaviour is unhealthy.
As for the anti-feministic attitude of those times, Aamir Khan might as well as make another SJ episode on it.😆 But if you see, though the women are living in a patriarchal society, they are not meek. From Sati to Maina to Parvati to even Sumedha, the women are allowed to have their tantrums and express their desires. None of them are blindfolded, and they don't even have the ghoonghat which covers half their face like some of today's women. They were worshipped for their beauty, not locked up inside a jail to protect them from leches. Also, the husbands were also very loving. Himavat was so pained when Maina talked about dying. We all know Shiv lost his sooj-bhooj when Sati died.😆 Even khadoos Daksh was not particularly 'cruel' as such to his wife. The worst thing a husband could do was neglect one wife for another, and looked what happened to Chandrama when he did that😆I guess that is why the women were comfortable living in a male-dominated society, unlike in today's times, where the animalistic attitude of men has to force women to take extreme steps.
Edited by IndigoBlues - 13 years ago

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