Sati's fatal tragedy - Page 3

Kkr531-thanks for providing your points of view-been most insightful. Happy to see some well read people taking time out to share their views on IF..

Originally posted by: mnx12

The word eligible used for Sati is wrong. Her actions were restricted due to her promise to Daksh, when he will disrespect her she will leave him & go as per Devi Puran. The person who can judge about eligibality has to be greater then the one in question. I don't think anyone of us is bigger the the Supreme powers Shivji & Sati. Who are we to judge eligibality of Sati?

I was in now way judgmental, what i have said and wrote has been mentioned in Scriptures. If you insist i can quote the references for you.

Regarding Shiv and Sati being supreme powers, i have some thing to say. of course they are supreme powers one is energy and the other is supreme consciousness world manifests itself as the combination of both. But the problem is when you talk in that context philosophy comes into picture and whole Puranas and DKDM will become meaningless.

Puranas are always to be taken in symbolic manner rather than literally. Sati here symbolizes Shakti which is bound by earthly attachments and shiva is a supreme divine. Shakti can only attain Shiva by casting of her earthly connections which she did by immolating herself and hence emerged more boundless.

Please also notice the fact that Sati is not worshiped in her original form by most of the Hindus. she only emerged goddess in 51 or 18 shaktipeetas after she cast off her attachment to daksha.

Moral of the story is if you are associated with any kind of earthly attachment either good or Bad you cannot attain the supreme Divine. You have to overcome this attachment to attain divinity or to get liberated.

The talk of Sati's promise to daksh is not valid as it is creation of DKDM. for this precise reason i keep posting so that all the things which have been shown in DKDM don't pass off as real.

Regards
Krishna

Originally posted by: indepgal

Kkr531-thanks for providing your points of view-been most insightful. Happy to see some well read people taking time out to share their views on IF..

pls dont get discouraged by some of the remarks-i think hindu mythology is so diverse and deep, it cant be contained to a few categories or be defined as black and white..it calls for mutliple views and interpretations...thats the beauty of it.

so pls keep writing in at this forum...would really like to hear more from you.

Thanks for the encouraging words.

I am in no way discouraged. i even don't feel bad for the remarks as all the remarks are due to their
attachment to Shiva and Sati Characters which in way is good.

i will keep posting whenever i get time

I was in now way judgmental, what i have said and wrote has been mentioned in Scriptures. If you insist i can quote the references for you.

Regarding Shiv and Sati being supreme powers, i have some thing to say. of course they are supreme powers one is energy and the other is supreme consciousness world manifests itself as the combination of both. But the problem is when you talk in that context philosophy comes into picture and whole Puranas and DKDM will become meaningless.

Puranas, Philosophy are all intervoven, In Shiv-puran, the Shiv tatva is explained which is Philosophy. Mantras, stotras are given which is an individual Shastra. Different gatis of a soul is given. How sufferings can be overcomed by reading, practicing various ways given in them is mentioned. That is why Puranas are given so much importance. DKDM attempts to portray certain things out of that that is why it is important.

Yes they are interwoven, but the point is they ought not be taken literally. everything is to be taken symbolically. Point of my post was when i say eligibility it has to be taken in that context. that is the interpretation given by many learned commentators of puranas. i would gladly accept any other interpretation from you which sounds more logical than the one i mentioned.

But when you start the argument that both are supreme powers, it transcends the domain of puranas. either you stick to the context or we can discuss this subject in terms of philosophy you cannot jump from one arguement to other which are out of context.

Shiv as Purush & Sati as Prakriti exists in entire Universe. If Shakti actually casts off herself then entire creation will be dead. This is the entire process of their Union, it has to happen gradually.

what do you mean by actually casting. if you don't see the symbolism for which actually the puranas are meant then they will remain as fantastic stories which is not their purpose. i presented my interpretation you can draw your own interpretation and if it is more logical
then i will gladly accept that.

10 Mahavidyas are the powerful forms she appeared before going to the yagya, are worshipped. That means she had expressed her power in front of Shivji. Then she can't be called bound by earthly attachments.

Thats the reason i said most of the Hindus, only Shaktas worship Mahavidyas even they worship mahavidyas and not Sati i guess you understand the difference. She was bound by as you said ( Promise or Love of father), whatever may be the reason but the fact is she partook in Nireeshwara Yaga inspite of Shiva's denial which was great Sin and to get absolved of that She gave up the body which signifies her attachment to Daksh.

It that was the case then why did Shivji holding her dead body did his Tandav-nritya? This shows his love & attachment for Sati when she was alive. Doed this make him undivine?

That Story is mentioned to obtain sanctification to the shakti shrines which are spread all over India it in way symbolically identifies Mother Earth with mother Shakti as you can see the shrines are spread all over India. i don't say the story is false, i only say that everything has to be taken symbolically and with interpretation and not literally.

Do you really think mahayogi like shiv would grieve the separation of his other half when in reality both are inseparable.

his not DKDM's creation it is mentioned very clearly in Devi-Puran. This is Devi shakti's story too. Her purans are also considered. DKDM is as they mention in the disclaimer is the story based on puranas made for entertainment purpose.

Could you please provide the link to the translation or the original text if possible, i would be glad to read it. agreed i don't deny that DKDM is made for entertainment i was posting in order to present my interpretation and also to learn what others like you think about this. so that there can be exchange of views




Regards
krishna

Originally posted by: mnx12

Could you please provide the link to the translation or the original text if possible, i would be glad to read it. agreed i don't deny that DKDM is made for entertainment i was posting in order to present my interpretation and also to learn what others like you think about this. so that there can be exchange of views

Devi-puran is awailable at Geetapress Gorakhpur, with Sanskrit shloka & their hindi translation. This is different from Devi-Bhagvata.
Regarding Shivji feeling for Sati's dead body, is given in all the puranas.

eg. We keep Shrimad Bhagvat Saptaha, at that time we just sit to hear the story from someone, there is a purpose for it, various occasions are celebrated, messages are understood, are tryed be implement in life, same is with all the puranas, they can not be taken only symbolically, their story is read, felt, understood. You want to interprete everything on basis of 1 subject then none that I say will be understood. For me all the subject combined is the way of life.

Regarding 10 Mahavidyas being worshipped by Shaktas, no. Go to Bangal Mahakaali & Tara are worshipped. Tripurasundari is worshipped as Shri-Vidya not limited to only South, Shri-Chakra worship is everywhere.

Matangi is worshipped forhappy marriage life. Bagalamukhi is for wining in court cases, Kamla
for wealth is worshipped across many parts of India. Their power is amazing & fantastic. It can be only experinced to feel that energy.

I right now don't have access to geeta press as i am not in India, any online link would be greatly helpful for me. if not i will read it once i am back in India.

Interpretation is subject to person as long as something positive comes out that interpretation is valid. according to me i presented my view, you can as well present your view or interpretation. all the while i was only defending by opinion, never did this is the only way to see things.

on the contrary i haven't seen any reasonable explanation from your side. so according to you why exactly did Sati immolate herself for the love of Shiv ? for the Love of daksh? what was the underlying purpose. as you rejected my interpretation i expect you to present a better one. i will gladly accept it

I right now don't have access to geeta press as i am not in India, any online link would be greatly helpful for me. if not i will read it once i am back in India.

Interpretation is subject to person as long as something positive comes out that interpretation is valid. according to me i presented my view, you can as well present your view or interpretation. all the while i was only defending by opinion, never did this is the only way to see things.

on the contrary i haven't seen any reasonable explanation from your side. so according to you why exactly did Sati immolate herself for the love of Shiv ? for the Love of daksh? what was the underlying purpose. as you rejected my interpretation i expect you to present a better one. i will gladly accept it


All your Q will get their answer when you'll read Devi-Puran. Accepting or rejecting is based on personal knowledge.To believers it will make sense, non-believers will find it difficule. For your satisfaction, Sati when heard Daksh's disrespectful words for her & her husband, got angry. She thought I can end everything including the Devatas present here in a second but due to the fear of pirtu-hatya, I am not doing this. Thinking this she put everyone present at the venue in her maya. From her 1 dark form of her emerged, which was Chaya-Sati. Sati told Chaya-Sati to end the yagya. When Shivji will get this news he will make all these present here pay for being a quiet viewer. Sati then disappeared, went to her dham. Chaya-Sati jumped in the yagya, shocking every one. Shivji realised what has happened, then he sent Veerbhadra & Bhadrakaali with othe ganas.

I right now don't have access to geeta press as i am not in India, any online link would be greatly helpful for me. if not i will read it once i am back in India.

Interpretation is subject to person as long as something positive comes out that interpretation is valid. according to me i presented my view, you can as well present your view or interpretation. all the while i was only defending by opinion, never did this is the only way to see things.

on the contrary i haven't seen any reasonable explanation from your side. so according to you why exactly did Sati immolate herself for the love of Shiv ? for the Love of daksh? what was the underlying purpose. as you rejected my interpretation i expect you to present a better one. i will gladly accept it


You have to read Devi puran to know. Interpretation is subject to personal understanding, based on believing & non-believing based on the knowledge. For your satisfaction, When Sati heard disrespectful words about her & her husband from Daksh, she got angry. She thought I can finish everything here including all the devatas. But due to the fear of pitru-hatya, I will not do it. from her a dark-form of her came out, which was chaya-Sati. She told chaya-Sati to end the yagya. Whien Shivji will get the news, he will understand & will do the needful fo finish everything. Then sati went to her dham. Chaya-Sati jumped in the yagya, shocking every one present. Shivji realised what has happened, he sent Veerabhadra & Bhadrakaali with ganas to destroy everything, which resulted in killing Daksh, defeating Vishnuji. Later the body was cut into 51 parts with the sudarshana chakra. Rest of the story is same as mentioned in other sources.

Originally posted by: mnx12

I right now don't have access to geeta press as i am not in India, any online link would be greatly helpful for me. if not i will read it once i am back in India.

Interpretation is subject to person as long as something positive comes out that interpretation is valid. according to me i presented my view, you can as well present your view or interpretation. all the while i was only defending by opinion, never did this is the only way to see things.

on the contrary i haven't seen any reasonable explanation from your side. so according to you why exactly did Sati immolate herself for the love of Shiv ? for the Love of daksh? what was the underlying purpose. as you rejected my interpretation i expect you to present a better one. i will gladly accept it

You have to read Devi puran to know. Interpretation is subject to personal understanding, based on believing & non-believing based on the knowledge. For your satisfaction, When Sati heard disrespectful words about her & her husband from Daksh, she got angry. She thought I can finish everything here including all the devatas. But due to the fear of pitru-hatya, I will not do it. from her a dark-form of her came out, which was chaya-Sati. She told chaya-Sati to end the yagya. Whien Shivji will get the news, he will understand & will do the needful fo finish everything. Then sati went to her dham. Chaya-Sati jumped in the yagya, shocking every one present. Shivji realised what has happened, he sent Veerabhadra & Bhadrakaali with ganas to destroy everything, which resulted in killing Daksh, defeating Vishnuji. Later the body was cut into 51 parts with the sudarshana chakra. Rest of the story is same as mentioned in other sources.

OK i understand that you posted a version which is written in devipuran, thanks for that. i will also accept what you have said but please let me know what purpose did it serve. as we all know all divine actions have some underlying message or meaning could you also throw light on that aspect. how is immolation of sati justified here ? whats the purpose?

But due to the fear of pitru-hatya, I will not do it.

there lies the attachement and their lies the binding aspect because of daksh being her father she cannot act in unbiased independent manner.

thats the reason she gave up her life to unbind that relation. In this way the immolation is justified. due to unscruplous father she had to do that. i put in different manner by mentioning the sin aspect .

thanks for the reply