How should India handle Pakistan? - Page 7

Originally posted by: sareg

Some good posers.

Here's my penny worth. Someone commented in this thread about there being no Hindu terror outfits, the LTTE was quoted just as an example of one. If you need another, there's the ULFA.

Let me reieterate, these are examples and I have no clue to their idealogy. If one is interested ones got to dig for oneself.

Hinduism is defintely not spread by the sword and I believe in modern times no religion is. Religion today is spread by procreation😉 and attention hogging gimmics.

I do not subscibe to Islam or any of its tenets and certainly do not subscribe to their idealogy of killing non-believers or Kafirs as they call us (non-muslims)through any means whether bombings or ploughing planes into builidings.

Terrorism in any form is cowardly and there is no justification to it.

Originally posted by: Maya_M

Here is an update on LTTE : In 2001, following the September 11th attacks on the United States and the subsequent launch of the War on Terrorism, the LTTE unexpectedly dropped its demand for a separate state, which had never been accepted by the government or the island's Sinhalese majority. Instead, they stated that a form of regional autonomy would meet their demands.

So your one and only example of Hindu terrorism is not valid anymore. 😛

As for other points, Chatbuster and Sareg have given good counter-arguments and I concur with them.

The bottom line is that the LTTE is a still a terrorist organisation.

We love to wear coloured glasses when faced with a reality check, don't we?😛

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

Some good posers.

Here's my penny worth. Someone commented in this thread about there being no Hindu terror outfits, the LTTE was quoted just as an example of one. If you need another, there's the ULFA.

what exactly are you saying? are you saying these terrorist outfits are Hindu's? or are you saying these terror outfits are there to propogate Hindusim?

You perhaps didnot understand the concept here, we are talking about Islamic terrorism, where we are saying(and almost everyone here is agreeing), there are terror outfits in the world who propogate terrorism and use tenets of their religion to propogate them

If that same analogy has to be applied to LTTE and ULFA, you have to be able to say they are hiding behind their religion, which is not, so your examples though true about terrorism, have no relevance to what is being discussed here, b'cos we are talking about a strain of terrorism here(read at the end to understand what everyone considers to be strains of terrorism)

Let me reieterate, these are examples and I have no clue to their idealogy. If one is interested ones got to dig for oneself.

if you dont have a clue and you are equating terror A=terror B then you should understand before commenting what each strain of terrorism stands for

Hinduism is defintely not spread by the sword and I believe in modern times no religion is.

So you are saying what Al Qaieda, Islamic Jihad(organization) are doing is not what they are doing, perhaps some research homework is needed here for you😉

Religion today is spread by procreation😉 and attention hogging gimmics.

I do not subscibe to Islam or any of its tenets and certainly do not subscribe to their idealogy of killing non-believers or Kafirs as they call us (non-muslims)through any means whether bombings or ploughing planes into builidings.

But you agree that happens, so you are contradicting your previous statement, that no religion is being spread by the sword(by bombs here😉)

Terrorism in any form is cowardly and there is no justification to it.

no-one is justifying any form of terrorism here

not sure if you are speaking without knowledge or just arguing for the sake of it

here is something for you

Terrorism in all formats is deplorable( good we got the theory out of the way)

but you have to understand what brings about terrorism before commenting on it.

Terrorism comes when a country is occupied and the occupied public uses terrorism to terrorize the occupiers, This terrorism can be countered by providing the occupied people by a better lifestyle or granting them freedom or negiotiating in whatever means. E,g in Srilanka they can grant some amount of freedom to the tamils and maybe they will learn to co-exist, like the Irish and British have learnt to do.

Terrorism also comes when there is ideological difference, where one says your religious ideology contradicts mine and I gotta get rid of you to propogate my ideology, that is religious terrorism. There is no way to counter this. It is either these people(I mean terrorists) who live or you live.

You cannot say to Al Qaeida, here have this and we will co-exist, For them it is either you or them, you have to kill them to survive.

This topic is a hot topic b'cos this brand of terrorism is different, it has complexities, the complexity the propogator ties it up with a religion. If this topic were about Assam or Srilanka or Ireland, it would be a straightforward topic and almost everyone will be one one end of this debate.

Since you understand about colored glasses and all, here is an example that maybe can make it simpler for you to understand.

A color blind does not need colored glasses, he/she needs treatment to fix color blindness, but that doesnt mean you treat everyone with that medication when they venture out in the sun😉

Originally posted by: sareg

not sure if you are speaking without knowledge or just arguing for the sake of it

here is something for you

Terrorism in all formats is deplorable( good we got the theory out of the way)

but you have to understand what brings about terrorism before commenting on it.

Terrorism comes when a country is occupied and the occupied public uses terrorism to terrorize the occupiers, This terrorism can be countered by providing the occupied people by a better lifestyle or granting them freedom or negiotiating in whatever means. E,g in Srilanka they can grant some amount of freedom to the tamils and maybe they will learn to co-exist, like the Irish and British have learnt to do.

Terrorism also comes when there is ideological difference, where one says your religious ideology contradicts mine and I gotta get rid of you to propogate my ideology, that is religious terrorism. There is no way to counter this. It is either these people(I mean terrorists) who live or you live.

You cannot say to Al Qaeida, here have this and we will co-exist, For them it is either you or them, you have to kill them to survive.

This topic is a hot topic b'cos this brand of terrorism is different, it has complexities, the complexity the propogator ties it up with a religion. If this topic were about Assam or Srilanka or Ireland, it would be a straightforward topic and almost everyone will be one one end of this debate.

Since you understand about colored glasses and all, here is an example that maybe can make it simpler for you to understand.

A color blind does not need colored glasses, he/she needs treatment to fix color blindness, but that doesnt mean you treat everyone with that medication when they venture out in the sun😉

Since you know it all, good for you.

Even in the most exalted throne, we still sit on our bottoms😛

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Originally posted by: moron

Just my 2 cents ,

LTTE is not a 'hindu' terrorist outfit. They are not fighting for religion but for their own agendas, its not a dharma yudh ie jidhad. If merely the fact that they concists of hindus you call them a hindu terrorist outfit then i think you got your logic wrong kiddo.

About handling Pakistan , the fact of the matter is , even they arent able to handle themselves, its a ticking timebomb on a self distruct. Furthermore India is pretty much a weak , gutless nation , Independant Kashmir Or POK as india calls it , why is it still there ? if india claims kashmir to be a part of india , why not go and claim it with force ? I think it will be much better if both the countries realise the best thing to do will be devloping infrastructure , creating jobs , healthcare , rather than just fighting for supremacy in a war none can win.

thats the main thing india is not doing anything execept all this which is not the case othewise.and if the other people can understand these things then there willl be no problem but the problem is that they dont want to understand this. as far as india is concerned it is not hampering other countries progress and nor ignoring its own. so india can be ruled out from here.

Originally posted by: tisha_g

Both the LTTE and ULFA's foray into terrorism was with the demand of a separate state or recognition and was not based on religion. Something similar to the IRA.Unlike the concept of Jihad which is claimed by the Taliban extrimist as the religious war.
About what India should deal with pakistan,as long as India can defend its borders and work on its own improvement of infrastructure, nothing else needs to be done.

na i dont agree here whts happening in ur immediate neighbour does affect us and specially when its not of peaceful disposition and is against u.

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

The bottom line is that the LTTE is a still a terrorist organisation.

We love to wear coloured glasses when faced with a reality check, don't we?😛

Many members of LTTE were Christians too. Their fight was for a separate state and now they have reached a compromise. There basis of fight is not religion either. LTTE is not active anymore and there are no more organizations mushrooming either. So this is not a valid argument. Whereas we see tons of little camps mushrooming from major terrorist organizations who doesn't really have any clear demands but claiming innocent lifes after geting brainwashed.

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

Ironic?, its the fact. Certain posts make no bones about it.

fact? dont you mean interpretation? and that too yours?😛

As far the mid-east conflict goes believe me peace there will always remain a pipe dream. There are forces within the mid-east that need to keep the conflict on-going to safeguard their own interests, agendas and the like.

yes, but let's not digress.😉 these examples were provided to refute your assertion that LTTE introduced suicide bombings. well, did it? sorry for nit-picking here, but you did pull up someone's post where they said there are no hindu terrorist outfits, didn't you? and that too when the LTTE is not really a hindu terrorist outfit? again, it could be a hindu terorrist outfit if the aim was religion and if the members were all hindus, neither of which is the case, is it?

As far as the current level of relations between India and Pakistan goes I believe that while there has been progress at the people to people level, we are still a long way from achieving tangible peace on the political spectrum and that will take an long and hard effort by the Pakistanis to stop funding the anti-India groups, stop all sort of support, political, economic or religious and agree to the fact that Kashmir was India's and will remain so.

good. we are finally getting back to topic. for a while, i felt it had veered off with that LTTE comment😉

What I said were my thoughts or views and its your right to agree or disagree and I respect that😊

haha, good. in any case, i'd have "thunk" we would have gotten past these basic qualifiers😆

Originally posted by: Kay Kay

Having gone thru the thread, its increasingly veered towards my religion against yours, kind of thing.

Someone commented there are no Hindu terrorists, (I stand corrected if wrong), I think the LTTE is an example to this. Infact, they were the first to introduce suicide bombings in the 80's, a concept hijacked by the muslim extremists today.

Nope....that's not true!!!

The biggest instance of suicide attacks in the last century remains the kamikaze sorties by Japanese pilots in World War II. In the Battle of Okinawa in April 1945, some 2,000 kamikaze pilots rammed their planes into American ships killing about 5,000 soldiers. The primary motivation of the kamikaze pilots was not religion, but sacrifice for the Japanese nation. Hence, among the items that they carried on their death missions was the Japanese flag and a headband with the emblem of the rising sun.

quoted this from an article that I read in TOI. You got your facts totally wrong dude!!! Terrorism, as we see today, is solely based on religion...not on sacrifice for any nation!!!

Rest of your post, I think CB, Sareg, Maya, and Sandhya posted fabulous rebuttals already. I agree with all of them😊



Before one of you comes guns blazing at me, let it be known that, I am a Hindu and proud to be one.

oh..........and you presumed that we go blazing guns at muslims only😕 chalo, yeh galatfehmi toh door ho gayee hogi tumhari😛.😉......j/k.....okie😆

While the world is moving forward there are groups or should I say forces of influence within every religion that want to take the backwards step.

And therein lies the difference. If we can all accept change as inevitable and the way forward, we hopefully will be able to find peace.