Criticism vs Bashing!!! - Page 5

Originally posted by: Maya_M

@Minnie: Both of us are making the same points and trying to convey the same thing but with different perception.

😆 I guess you are right Maya.....

Originally posted by: MinnieE

Sorry once more for messing up the post.....

you mentioned something about being polite/rude being as subjective as the original question of criticism vs bashing ( I deleted that part by mistake, i apologise).

Continuing to my point.........

Question is, do you consider it polite ? My understanding here is that you don't. Do correct me if I am wrong.

As I said, either to me or you, these above two lines are impolite but did their job. Perhaps because they were not debating like politically correct individuals but one trying to shut the other up for good 😆.

Who knows, were I Reagan, I might have employed some other means. Or maybe simply would have been the Indian I am and said 'Ei, chup !!!'

I loved the way Lallu shut the screaming morons that make for our MPs. Prudence is not always being polite you see !! 😉

However, here my presumptous is, we talking about people who have some idea about what a debate or a discussion means.....and not about the people in political gallery trying to gain the upper hand primarily by hook and then by crook......

of course, when one is debating like their lives or careers depended on it, then one is ultimately trying to score a knock-out or a win on points. that much is true.

but i dont buy into the rest of your argument- by hook or by crook. the presidential debates here in the US are very structured and there's not much opportunity for "crooked" foul play.

if you are implying that they can behave in any "hooked" manner and get away with it, then these guys know better. these politicians have media and PR advisors by the dozens who coach them on every technique and etiquette of debating. so to say that they dont have an idea of debating is far from it. in fact, if i may say so, i believe the reverse is true. they have more knowledge and wit than some of the folks i have seen elsewhere😉

they also know that the audience is very unforgiving here- it does not necessarily care for cheap tactics or foul means to show down the other candidate. but clever put-downs that might be construed as rude by some touchy-feely types is fine. we might actually want to use these guys as example to see what is or ought to be acceptable style for us as well.😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

of course, when one is debating like their lives or careers depended on it, then one is ultimately trying to score a knock-out or a win on points. that much is true.

but i dont buy into the rest of your argument- by hook or by crook. the presidential debates here in the US are very structured and there's not much opportunity for "crooked" foul play.

if you are implying that they can behave in any "hooked" manner and get away with it, then these guys know better. these politicians have media and PR advisors by the dozens who coach them on every technique and etiquette of debating. so to say that they dont have an idea of debating is far from it. in fact, if i may say so, i believe the reverse is true. they have more knowledge and wit than some of the folks i have seen elsewhere😉

they also know that the audience is very unforgiving here- it does not necessarily care for cheap tactics or foul means to show down the other candidate. but clever put-downs that might be construed as rude by some touchy-feely types is fine. we might actually want to use these guys as example to see what is or ought to be acceptable style for us as well.😊

Sure and all that grand debate and people making intelligent choices got them a joker George Bush for president😆😆!! May be they should stop these debates for a change and get debating on how to get right candidates to debate😆...If you are done singing your ode to the american way.. there is a point u should note, somethings have to make sense in the end... you cant act like strait-jackted robot and expect good things to come your way with the canned thinking these guys demonstrate.... though I agree americans are veri unforgiving people and still had to get bush for second term having killed thousands of young americans, sinking in debt... and bombing some alien country without reason...😆.. Or is this is like those Japanese Strikes where you dont stop doing things when you go on a strike but rather end up over-doing them...😆

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Sure and all that grand debate and people making intelligent choices got them a joker George Bush for president😆😆!! May be they should stop these debates for a change and get debating on how to get right candidates to debate😆...If you are done singing your ode to the american way.. there is a point u should note, somethings have to make sense in the end... you cant act like strait-jackted robot and expect good things to come your way with the canned thinking these guys demonstrate.... though I agree americans are veri unforgiving people and still had to get bush for second term having killed thousands of young americans, sinking in debt... and bombing some alien country without reason...😆.. Or is this is like those Japanese Strikes where you dont stop doing things when you go on a strike but rather end up over-doing them...😆

haha, they've been getting jokers for the most part. 😆 and we've been getting our own brand too, the guys who literally trip over themselves in parliament so that they can suck up to clinton when he's there, or who take slippers out to chuck at the next guy. now that's a circus, no?😉

but unfortunately all this good stuff you started me off with is totally irrelevant and off-topic IMO😉 topic's about bashing and criticism. my reference to these "jokers" is in the context of how they debate and present themselves on such occasions. yours is the after-math kind of thing which leads elsewhere😉

QWERTY, who americans choose to be their president has nothing to do with their culture. You are aware of who runs India right and who are elected by Indians right???
Pot cannot call kettle black when it comes to electing jokers and sick greedy humans. 😳

Originally posted by: chatbuster

of course, when one is debating like their lives or careers depended on it, then one is ultimately trying to score a knock-out or a win on points. that much is true.

but i dont buy into the rest of your argument- by hook or by crook. the presidential debates here in the US are very structured and there's not much opportunity for "crooked" foul play.

if you are implying that they can behave in any "hooked" manner and get away with it, then these guys know better. these politicians have media and PR advisors by the dozens who coach them on every technique and etiquette of debating. so to say that they dont have an idea of debating is far from it. in fact, if i may say so, i believe the reverse is true. they have more knowledge and wit than some of the folks i have seen elsewhere😉

they also know that the audience is very unforgiving here- it does not necessarily care for cheap tactics or foul means to show down the other candidate. but clever put-downs that might be construed as rude by some touchy-feely types is fine. we might actually want to use these guys as example to see what is or ought to be acceptable style for us as well.😊

No, I am not implying that. Again, that would be generalisation. I for one know most of the politicians are coached too well to get away with anything. Though how much one sided a 'debate' can get can easily be seen from any O reilly or Nancy Grace or Greta van Susteren. That too is not a face of debate we want to be a part of. But that is not the point and we are in fact digressing.

Originally posted by: Minnie

No, I am not implying that. Again, that would be generalisation. I for one know most of the politicians are coached too well to get away with anything. Though how much one sided a 'debate' can get can easily be seen from any O reilly or Nancy Grace or Greta van Susteren. That too is not a face of debate we want to be a part of. But that is not the point and we are in fact digressing.

sorry but i wanted to finish that thought. yes, shouting down the other guy and not giving equal air-time is bad form and what we might not want to be a part of. but beyond that, the fact that a debate gets one-sided and someone wins is not iself a bad thing; that's the outcome one might in fact hope to have. 😊

in any event, my reference was to to prez candidates here who on the surface come with more etiquette training so that they dont seem to be overtly bashing anyone. i am not using anyone and everyone under the sun here as shining examples of that etiquette.😊

Sorry for spamming!!

I really wonder what's the time in your places now,particulary of some new friends !! 😛

Is debating an addiction ?
If debating is like a street fight is it necessary to fight online sacrificing our sleep 😛

cheers,
Mythili

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

Sorry for spamming!!

I really wonder what's the time your places particulary

some new friends !! 😛

Is debating an addiction ?
If debating is like a street fight is it necessary to fight online sacrificing our sleep 😛

cheers,
Mythili

sorry, dont know who that was for, and how it was relevant to the current topic, since the english was kinda hard to get😉😆

Mythili Says:

Encourage criticism: People are open to criticism when they are well aware of their key strengths and weaknesses.

When you criticize someone: You need to give them information on where they are failing but negative feedback can destroy their confidence and Motivation.

Be specific – Whether you are criticizing or praising, detailed information, rather than vague or Woolly statements, is more likely to reinforce what happened.

Describe actual behaviour – Don't remark on the individual, their personality or attitudes. Focus on what they actually said or did and avoid your own personal idiosyncrasy in judging performance.

Focus on areas they can do something about –It is frustrating to be reminded of something over which you have no control.

Be selective – Give as much information as they can use. Too many examples or points will dilute the feedback and could lead to complacency or defensiveness.

Be forward looking – Constructive comments that offer alternatives on what could be done differently in the future are more helpful than destructive criticism of past actions.

Discuss it – Don't give the feedback and run. Stay to explore the topic in more detail.

and finally

Bashing requires no rules and regulations because its just an expression of anger😡 .

It completely depends on the person who is facing the criticism or bashing to convert the criticism to bashing and bashing to criticism😆 !!!

Cheers,

Mythili