Criticism vs Bashing!!! - Page 4

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Originally posted by: chatbuster

one man's healthy criticism is another man's bashing. i just think people can be too quick to bring up the dreaded "b" word when they are cornered though i also agree with Minnie's distinctions between the two in a technical sense.

btw, ever seen the proceedings in the House of Commons or the Lok Sabha? now that's bashing, literally. 😉 mocking, jeering, drowning out the other guy's speech by creating pandemonium, showing the finger, throwing slippers. 😆 the stuff here is tame by comparison.

moral of the story- thick skin's needed if you're gonna be a politician 😉

Originally posted by: mermaid_QT

One can argue that such a debater lacks passion / is more bothered about his / her image as a debater than the point he / she really needs to get across.
If my kid is caught smoking a cigarette, it is okay for me to be more than a a prudent parent. I think I need to get his thought process straightened out. If you believe in what you are talking about, and if you have warned the other debater on multiple occasions before non-prudent exchange of words happens, IMO is just letting your PASSION over ride your prudence momentarily.

Mermaid, asking your 11 year old son not to smoke is not the same as asking him not to disrespectful to elders. Both are important, but if he is taking drugs, smoking, drinking, then that goes into entirely different realm of things. There, the worries of him being harmed far outweighs the thoughts of him not having some social graces. And hence the application of Prudence automatically changes.

What right now we are discussing are social graces, where there are certain outlines in every civilisation which are adhered to. And every culture has it's own outlines to be laid out and followed and within that boundary, it is accepted.

I do not believe that in order to get a point across about things I am passionate about I need to be impolite or rude. Now a pertinent question that you raised is whether it would be argued that I, the debater, lack the passion or that I am bothered about my image as a debater.........well, yes, why not. I cannot and should not stop anyone from forming an opinion about me as a debater. If that way I fail to get my point across, then in my opinion I would be consider myself a bad debator. But others are free to form the opinion. I would argue back the best way that I know. Whether that makes me good or bad, I am sure my fellow debaters can decide.

PS: The use of first person in the above para is an example, and not a reflection of myself as a debator......😳

for example, would we say that Ronald Reagan's put down of Jimmy Carter with the famous "There you go again Jimmy" was not rude/ impolite? or Senator Lloyd Bentsen's remark to Dan Quayle as "You're no Jack Kennedy"? those were polite?

believe me, those lines got the point across far better than could perhaps have been accomplished otherwise.😊

PS: Sorry this post has not beed edited. I messed it up by clicking edit instead of quote....so sorry. Chatbuster, please set it right...... Minnie

@Minnie: Both of us are making the same points and trying to convey the same thing but with different perception.

Originally posted by: Minnie

Mermaid, asking your 11 year old son not to smoke is not the same as asking him not to disrespectful to elders. Both are important, but if he is taking drugs, smoking, drinking, then that goes into entirely different realm of things. There, the worries of him being harmed far outweighs the thoughts of him not having some social graces. And hence the application of Prudence automatically changes.

What right now we are discussing are social graces, where there are certain outlines in every civilisation which are adhered to. And every culture has it's own outlines to be laid out and followed and within that boundary, it is accepted.

I do not believe that in order to get a point across about things I am passionate about I need to be impolite or rude. Now a pertinent question that you raised is whether it would be argued that I, the debater, lack the passion or that I am bothered about my image as a debater.........well, yes, why not. I cannot and should not stop anyone from forming an opinion about me as a debater. If that way I fail to get my point across, then in my opinion I would be consider myself a bad debator. But others are free to form the opinion. I would argue back the best way that I know. Whether that makes me good or bad, I am sure my fellow debaters can decide.

PS: The use of first person in the above para is an example, and not a reflection of myself as a debator......😳

Originally posted by: Maya_M

@Minnie: Both of us are making the same points and trying to convey the same thing but with different perception.

Reeps look up the IF Addict List and then let me know if you still believe I'm involved with the govt.😆 Since this discussion involves only me, it doesn't actually belong on this thread. I'll PM my responses to you. [/quote]

Looking fwd to the pm.😃

[quote] Remember something, everyone is involved in playing some part for his/ her country, however small that part maybe. If you're a person who is doing her 9-5 job you can still do your part when you do your job perfectly, resist corruption, helping others on a professional level. Doing your bit doesn't always mean to dedicate your life to social work like Medha Patkar. They are playing a bigger role than us and people will remember them for that but that doesn't mean you and I are doing nothing.😊 [/quote]

Hmm, thanks for the write-up. NO clue what evoked such a beautiful reply, but I am so glad you put it down. Made me think again, and I found myself a reason to get out of a dilemna. God sends me angels, and answers thru them every now and then.😍

[quote]One more thing, since I don't remember what all I said about working women, you can go to that thread, quote me and point out why you think that was wrong, I assure you I won't be offended or take it personally. 😊 [/quote]

Nah, it is okay! Why should I criticize when I can praise for the positives? You are entitled to your opinion, and I didn't say it was wrong .... just didn't want to digest what you had said. It sounded harsh, and seemed to overlook the other side. Anywho, doesn't matter.

I better quit talking of topics other than the post topic.😆

Persy

Originally posted by: Minnie

I do not believe that in order to get a point across about things I am passionate about I need to be impolite or rude. Now a pertinent question that you raised is whether it would be argued that I, the debater, lack the passion or that I am bothered about my image as a debater.........well, yes, why not. I cannot and should not stop anyone from forming an opinion about me as a debater. If that way I fail to get my point across, then in my opinion I would be consider myself a bad debator. But others are free to form the opinion. I would argue back the best way that I know. Whether that makes me good or bad, I am sure my fellow debaters can decide.

PS: The use of first person in the above para is an example, and not a reflection of myself as a debator......😳

Originally posted by: chatbuster

for example, would we say that Ronald Reagan's put down of Jimmy Carter with the famous "There you go again Jimmy" was not rude/ impolite? or Senator Lloyd Bentsen's remark to Dan Quayle as "You're no Jack Kennedy"? those were polite?

believe me, those lines got the point across far better than could perhaps have been accomplished otherwise.😊

Sorry once more for messing up the post.....

you mentioned something about being polite/rude being as subjective as the original question of criticism vs bashing ( I deleted that part by mistake, i apologise).

Continuing to my point.........

Question is, do you consider it polite ? My understanding here is that you don't. Do correct me if I am wrong.

As I said, either to me or you, these above two lines are impolite but did their job. Perhaps because they were not debating like politically correct individuals but one trying to shut the other up for good 😆.

Who knows, were I Reagan, I might have employed some other means. Or maybe simply would have been the Indian I am and said 'Ei, chup !!!'

I loved the way Lallu shut the screaming morons that make for our MPs. Prudence is not always being polite you see !! 😉

However, here my presumptous is, we talking about people who have some idea about what a debate or a discussion means.....and not about the people in political gallery trying to gain the upper hand primarily by hook and then by crook......