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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: anjs



please check your words...Hndutva has got nothing to do with what these extremists preach... theirs is not Hindutva... The basic law of hindutva and hinduism is tolerance of other people's faith and ways of life...anyone going against it, is not following hindutva...


Thanks for correcting me. I will edit my post. 😊
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Honestly, all these politicians who spread hate speeches should be banned/jailed. I don't care if it's BJP,Congress,AAP or any other party.
Why is it so difficult for them to simply stick to the real issues like development, employment etc.
They like to create social unrest in the name of religion and collect votes on the promises of establishing peace.
What is the EC doing...
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: mystic786

I don't want to get into a Hindu/Muslim argument because I respect both the religions, but even Modi and RSS have committed major crimes in the name of Hindutva not Hinduism.

Coming to Islam, I wish people actually bothered to read about Islam's view on violence. Ours is a peaceful religion. Do you know what the Qur'an states about murder?

"If you have killed one human it as though you have killed the whole of humanity". Murder is one of the most serious sins in Islam.

What these extremists are doing has nothing to do with Islam. Islam doesn't teach any of this. These people are doing what they're doing because of politics and to fulfil their own agendas. They want an excuse to cover all this up so they use Islam.

Please watch Dr. Yasir Qadhi's videos on YouTube on this subject.


You don't need to tell me any of this. Am neither Islamophobic and nor do I think all Muslims are terrorists and all those tropes. But that doesnt change the fact that Islam related violence has been plaguing the world for a long,long time. And even if we dont focus on terrorism, Sharia itself is so violent. In a civil society how does one explain having the Sharia law.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: mystic786

I don't want to get into a Hindu/Muslim argument because I respect both the religions, but even Modi and RSS have committed major crimes in the name of Hindutva not Hinduism.

Coming to Islam, I wish people actually bothered to read about Islam's view on violence. Ours is a peaceful religion. Do you know what the Qur'an states about murder?

"If you have killed one human it as though you have killed the whole of humanity". Murder is one of the most serious sins in Islam.

What these extremists are doing has nothing to do with Islam. Islam doesn't teach any of this. These people are doing what they're doing because of politics and to fulfil their own agendas. They want an excuse to cover all this up so they use Islam.

Please watch Dr. Yasir Qadhi's videos on YouTube on this subject.


I guess u are talking about verse 5:32

Sahih International: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

Yusuf Ali: On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

Shakir: For this reason did We prescribe to the children of Israel that whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men; and certainly Our messengers came to them with clear arguments, but even after that many of them certainly act extravagantly in the land.

link - http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=32


here's what I read about it -

Here's the full text of the verse:
"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our messengers with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land.

First, notice the gaping loophole. Killing is allowed in cases of murder or "for spreading mischief in the land." Murder is pretty straightforward, but "spreading mischief?" If anything begged for a careful and precise explanation, a phrase authorizing torture certainly would. But generations of Muslims are left to apply their own interpretation of what "mischief" means - with varying standards. Violating Sharia (Islamic law) or sharing a different religious faith appears to qualify. Verse 7:103 of the Quran even indicates that merely rejecting Muhammad and the Quran counts as "mischief".

Secondly, note the broader context of this verse. It turns out that this isn't a divine command to Muslims after all. It's a recounting of a rule that was given to the Jewish people (lifted from the Talmud, in fact). It isn't an admonition against killing. It's an imagined indictment against the Jews for violating the law given to them. "Any one doesn't mean "anyone, but rather any oneof the Jews.

Any application to Muslims would have to apply only to Muslims - as in Muslim-on-Muslim murder within the brotherhood of believers. In fact, the context of the verse is the murder of Abel by Cain. Historically, this verse has never been interpreted by Islamic scholars to mean that Allah places equal value on the lives of non-Muslims. The Quran says that restitution for murder is bound by the law of equality (2:178) and that non-believers are not equal to Muslims (39:9). Muhammad affirmed that while a Muslim may be punished with death for killing a fellow Muslim, they should never be slain for killing a non-believer.

Rather than encouraging tolerance, Sura 5 as a whole is actually an incitement of hatred with a hint of violence. Later in the chapter, Jews and Christians are explicitly cursed as wicked' people with diseased hearts' and as hateful blasphemers' respectively. Muhammad goes on to coyly remind his people that Allah loves those who "fight in his service - and it's fairly obvious who the enemy is.

Muslim apologists also leave out the fact that 5:32 is immediately followed by a gruesome verse which actually mandates killing in the case of the aforementioned "mischief" - and this isn't pulled from the Talmud. It even suggests crucifixion and "the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides. (This injunction is dutifully followed by ISIS)
Verse 5:33 provides the basis for blasphemy laws, in which people are executed for insulting or questioning Islam. Ironically then, the very part of the Quran that apologists use to portray Islam as a non-violent religion has long been used as justification for making verbal offense into a capital crime.

Verse (5:33) - English Translation


Sahih International: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

link - http://corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=5&verse=33

Edited by NathuPyare - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
#15

Originally posted by: TheBoss

Terrorism has no religion.

But Most terrorism is done In the Name of religion!!! It's Not this simple
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Posted: 6 years ago
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I dislike the whole divide and rule strategy of Congress .. Utterly rubbish! ... Atm they are trying to divide the nation in Pro-Hindu vs Anti-Hindu, which is as communal and low a party can get! ... BJP has its own vices (-majorly becoz of Modi) but Congress is becoming the next British Empire to rule the nation ... Over the years they have slowly ingrained this notion that BJP=Intolerance and Congress=Tolerance for minority (-yet statistics say otherwise) ... they continue stretching their limits ... Let anyone dominate this election season BUT Congress .. I have had it with their bullshit propaganda! .. 🤢
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Again this is turning into a religion bashing thread, can such discussions not happen on here, it's very insulting to people following Hinduism and Islam to read such stuff that people are saying about their religion

The majority of people that follow any religion are peaceful, there are some who are extremists and beleive in violence and force, please do not judge the whole religion by Wat these extremists do
Edited by zara321 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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By talking like this, They are only increasing BJP supporters. 😆


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Dont ppl give them advice on what to speak? They just spk whatever shit they want?
I guess so...so much rubbish has been said in the past few years, that I guess ppl say whatever they want.
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Any religion with its core value Intact is pure. But than with addition multiplication subtraction of ideas the basic value is corrupted. Anyways that's completely separate topic.
Right now most of religion in world are used for tyrany. To persecute people in the name of religion which is wrong. Be it Zionists, Burma, rss goons, Yemen, china, pakistan. U name it, it's everywhere. It's only name of religion but main purpose is control and power.

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