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Nikki Haley - governor of South Carolina. Haley was born Nimrata Nikki Randhawa[1][2] in Bamberg, South Carolina, on January 20, 1972, to an Indian Sikh family.[14] Haley converted to Christianity and sits on the board of the Mt. Horeb United Methodist Church.

Bobby Jindal - Governor of Louisiana Piyush Jindal was born on June 10, 1971, in Baton Rouge, Louisiana.[1] He is the first of two sons of Raj (ne Gupta) and Amar Jindal, from Punjab, India. They came to the US for his birth to ensure his citizenship. He began attending Roman Catholic Church, and in the fall of 1989 he was baptized[21] in Providence.

Tulsi Gabbard - Member of the Hawaii House of Representatives. ulsi Gabbard was born on April 12, 1981 in Leloaloa, American Samoa, the fourth of five children. Her father, Mike Gabbard, was born in Fagatogo, American Samoa, and became a naturalized citizen at age one, while her mother, Carol (Porter) Gabbard, was born in Decatur, Indiana. her father is of Samoan and European ancestry and an active lector at his Catholic church, Her mother is of European descent and a practicing Hindu. Tulsi fully embraced Hinduism as a teenager.She is a vegetarian and a Hindu who follows Gaudiya Vaishnavism,[10] a religious movement founded by Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. She especially appreciates theBhagavad Gita as a spiritual guide,[1] and used the Gita when she was ceremonially sworn in as a Representative.[

3 proflies.. Indians changing their religion to get into main stream in a nut shell. A woman of european descent going around as Hindu with Pride and on her terms.. All hindus who feel embarrassed to demonstrate their hindu religion should be ashamed!!!

Is it necessary to change religion to mingle with the main stream and get important political offices like haley and jindal? I am not sure how Tulsi carries off all this extra baggage of her unrelated identity and manages it!

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque



Indians changing their religion

So your sample size for these Indians is TWO?

to get into main stream in a nut shell.

Is it necessary to change religion to mingle with the main stream and get important political offices like haley and jindal?

What makes you think that they switched their faith because they wanted to "mingle with the main stream and get important political offices"? Or, should that be the debate here? Something along the lines of "Did Haley and Jindal switch faith because they wanted to mingle with the main stream and get important political offices?"

In case you want to read about Jindal's conversion, I can post a link: https://religionnews.com/2015/06/24/5-faith-facts-bobby-jindal-evangelical-catholic/


All hindus who feel embarrassed to demonstrate their hindu religion should be ashamed!!!

Looks like you already assumed the role of the judge, jury and executioner. Firstly, the topic maker himself/herself cannot take a stand in the very first post. You are supposed to object and/or concur with posts that follow, in a lucid manner, thus managing the flow. If you already did take a stand, what exactly are you debating internally for you to post a topic? Or are you here to force your views on others?

Secondly and more importantly, it doesn't matter why Jindal in particular changed his faith. He may or may not have had his reasons. Your "debate" is not about two individuals, is it? If it is about "pride in Hinduism", why do you want to sidetrack that main subject with faulty premises and story-lines that will make us digress from the main subject? Hinduism is too vast a subject to be looked at from the perspective of "Jindal or Haley or Tulsi"





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I can tell here what I understand in this topic.

If someone changes the religion, it is because changing the religion makes sense for that person. This point applies to Jindal or Haley or Tulsi. We can't say, 'All hindus who feel embarrassed to demonstrate their hindu religion should be ashamed!!!' The question here is was there anyone who could explain clearly to these persons how being Hindu helps that person and provides a nice way of life for that person. it is possible their parents themselves may not have the idea of all the merits of being a Hindu.

When I was in USA, I used to be in a spiritual group in which Americans also learned the principles of Hinduism in which Americans accepted Devi or Shakti as Divine mother. Are they supposed to be ashamed to change their faith from being a Christian or Catholic? A Westerner only could teach me the real significance of Gayathri Mantra? Isn't it the duty of my parents or the Hindu priests to teach me the significance and the importance of Gayathri Mantra?

As of now, there are so many books from which we could learn, how much God is bountiful. But most of them are based on Bible and what Jesus taught. How many persons could say they understand what is Lord Krishna teaching based on Bhagawad Gita? If many people in India, got converted to other religions, it is because they believed they could get a better lot that way and also based on the promises provided by the missionaries.
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Originally posted by: maha2us

I can tell here what I understand in this topic.

If someone changes the religion, it is because changing the religion makes sense for that person. This point applies to Jindal or Haley or Tulsi. We can't say, 'All hindus who feel embarrassed to demonstrate their hindu religion should be ashamed!!!' The question here is was there anyone who could explain clearly to these persons how being Hindu helps that person and provides a nice way of life for that person. it is possible their parents themselves may not have the idea of all the merits of being a Hindu.

When I was in USA, I used to be in a spiritual group in which Americans also learned the principles of Hinduism in which Americans accepted Devi or Shakti as Divine mother. Are they supposed to be ashamed to change their faith from being a Christian or Catholic? A Westerner only could teach me the real significance of Gayathri Mantra? Isn't it the duty of my parents or the Hindu priests to teach me the significance and the importance of Gayathri Mantra?

As of now, there are so many books from which we could learn, how much God is bountiful. But most of them are based on Bible and what Jesus taught. How many persons could say they understand what is Lord Krishna teaching based on Bhagawad Gita? If many people in India, got converted to other religions, it is because they believed they could get a better lot that way and also based on the promises provided by the missionaries.


firstly my conclusion is not just based on haley/jindal v/s gabbard.. people change names.. do so many other things to adapt to the american values... or seem to agree with everything american blindly.desperately seeking their approvals... a servility which we have ingrained..and cant rise above...

secondly gabbard imo is not the usual american impressed by oriental mysticism.. but a strong lady with a lot of self determination!

other than that let the debate go on...
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Let's just leave it to their choice - seriously we don't know why did they convert and even if it is true - should it matter?

Go to the west and you'll see many not proud of their own religion/culture. This is natural and human, some accept their status by birth and some don't. As simple as that.
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thats what the debate is about, I took a stand and if it is not clear here it is.. hindus are embarrassed to be proud of their religion and they have to pander to local communities through change of religion or some other way... whereas someone of european descent proudly shows it off.. i hope you understand my stand..

I am trying to build a case with two people holding important offices who are indians and couldnt take their oath using their religious books.. you can provide me some more cases where you say thats not true...





But that's not how statistical samples work. The sample size is extremely important before you make inferences about large populations based on the sample.

To win the argument, all I have to "point out" is "everybody except Jindal and Haley".

Please familiarize yourself with margin of errors / confidence intervals and confidence levels. With a sample size of 2, with a billion or so Hinduism adherents, my confidence level in the premise that "hindus are embarrassed to be proud of their religion" would be at 0% and I am 0% certain that the premise is true.




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But that's not how statistical samples work. The sample size is extremely important before you make inferences about large populations based on the sample.

To win the argument, all I have to "point out" is "everybody except Jindal and Haley".

Please familiarize yourself with margin of errors / confidence intervals and confidence levels. With a sample size of 2, with a billion or so Hinduism adherents, my confidence level in the premise that "hindus are embarrassed to be proud of their religion" would be at 0% and I am 0% certain that the premise is true.





how that "pointing out" even make sense...the sample size is indicative. so much flawed research is done in US today.drug trials with the best possible sample size and mix going wrong... Look at the number of drug recalls... Look at vaccine causing autism.. you see while you are stuck in your confidence intervals and levels..has it occurred that probalistically speaking common sense gateway should be receptive..as well otherwise you end up with buzz words 😆😆
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Originally posted by: iMini

Let's just leave it to their choice - seriously we don't know why did they convert and even if it is true - should it matter?

Go to the west and you'll see many not proud of their own religion/culture. This is natural and human, some accept their status by birth and some don't. As simple as that.


Lets look at the converse. Can indians hold significant public office without switching their religion or name.. would jindal be still a goveror if name was Pandurang Jindal... ? or haley be that if she came with her original nimrat.. possibly.. but they cant take that chance.. of course these are not necessarily to suck up to the americans but sometimes matter of practical convenience.. how can jindal get work done if his name was, say Chinnasamychinnathal, Ponkalimuthukumar. 😆

btw more importantly he wasnt even was born here! more importantly his wife recognize him as husband and prefers calling her husband "jolly"!!! 😆even she is born in India. all these indians should be ashamed!!!
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque



so much flawed research is done in US today.drug trials with the best possible sample size and mix going wrong... Look at the number of drug recalls... Look at vaccine causing autism.. you see while you are stuck in your confidence intervals and levels..has it occurred that probalistically speaking common sense gateway should be receptive..as well



huh?! what the fk are you talking about here? are you questioning clinical trials, phase I, phase II, phase III, NDA and everything in between of the drug approval process, of which India know nothing about other than knocking off chemical formulas in the form of generics? in any case, can you stick to ONE topic at a time without being all over the fking place? now, i don't know whether to debate jindal/haley or hinduism or fda appoval process or what.



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