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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz




I'm sorry, but I don't think its possible to engage in a reasonable exchange with you once you present Zakir Nayek as a righteous scholar of Islam. The guy's practically a joke to all except for some hard-core fanatics.

About Taslima, uh huh, you know nothing about her or the reason she developed such an aversive outlook towards Islam. Its not because of her uncle who raped her. Read up her biography,and then we can talk. Also, she's studied Islam and the Hadiths, and she's punctuated every criticism/slander (whatever you call it) with reference from the texts themselves.

The texts you say,trust me anyone can manipulate one word from the Quran and give their own meaning,because to understand each sentence,you have to read the Whole Paragraph.And Hadiths AREN'T Always Reliable!I wont say Everythings a Lie but there are many glitches...And even The Quran warns us against believing everything tge hadith says
And whoever told you that powerful women leaders (on the topic of Hasina and Khaleda) don't propagate the entrenched norms of patriarchy, is grossly mistaken with no understanding of how a patriarchal set-up works. Also note that Bangladesh has one of the worst records of women rights. Having two female Prime Ministers did zilch in that case.
I am from Bangladesh and i know Women's safety here is The biggest issue for us now,Because they are being Raped in broad Daylight and none Does anything to stop it!But don't you dare blame this in Islam,Because as i said Earlier Punishment of Rape is very Brutal in Islam and the women are Not to be blamed.Bangladesh is Gone case.Thousands of Muslims Were killed in the Night along with little Children but none knows anything about it,the News channels which did are now Gone but The Gunshots were heard throughout the Town.
And lastly, if you think that no amount of "slandering" is going to destroy your faith, why the heck do you want to hound people who criticise it? Leave them alone, they're not gonna do any harm. 😆 I don't pay attention to people who I think are utterly unable to inflict harm on me, I ignore their rants. The moment the whole Muslim world goes up in flames over the tiniest bit of perceived "blasphemy", issues death threats, holds violent rallies etc., it means they're not so sure that these handful of blasphemers can NOT do any harm to their faith. Look at the Christian world and how it handles mockery of Christ and Christianity in general---they ignore stuff like "Piss Christ", knowing that such stuff ain't gonna change their faith. Now THAT is called being secure, not running after people with bayonets and bombs.


P.S. Do show me links which prove that Hirsi Ali and Sultana are "liars".



None can harm our Faith but when actually care and Love Something or someone we have the Guts to Stand Against it and take our stand.Unlike others who think ignoring is Peace 😆
I hope they dont start ignoring Everything and Look around to see Where ignorance has Brought people...We muslims have Guts.Accept it.
The rate at which Christianity is slowly decreases shows how much 'secure'their Faith is.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/dec/11/christians-minority-2018-census-analysis

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/25/calling_the_christian_right_soon_you_will_be_outnumbered_partner/

So you see they are ignoring something that helds no importance In their life.
the Churches are trying to bring them Back,but sadly Religion,whichever it is,Is only a Namesake Thing
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: ..FallAndFly..



Muhammad ( PBUH ) was the first one to put a Stop to Female Infanticide and Win so successfully!
How could she even say that?I bet she never even touched the Quran and made it up just to get popular.

And one thing i dont understand is why,covering your head and dressing up decently withhold women from success?
Unless you want want to go to modeling industry 🥱
But in all the other jobs i dont think it oppresses them in any way.

If you dont want to were a Hijab,then dont.But stop cursing the religion cause the Reason for wearing it very noble!
And its NOT saving ourselves for our husbands!
Its for not getting disturbing Catwhistles and dirty comments from the Creepy guys.
And,No.Islam doesn't blame women if she is teased or worse,Raped.Cause the Criminal is given even a Death penalty at times when he goes on and uses any weapon or Gun to harm the lady in a Irreversible way!
We women are Valued more than Gold or any other Precious Stones in Islam,Just like we keep them safe with us,treasure it,take care of it...Men are ordered to protect us,And we are ordered to Were Modest clothes and Hijab as A Precaution.

They may try,but can never wreck our faith 😎


I have read all sort of nonsense regarding the hijab how women who wears it are oppressed? So they want to stop "oppression of Muslim women" & they have no better way to do it than through oppressing them - not allowing them to wear what they want.. Anyway people who rail against Islamic women wearing veils, ignore when Jewish women do... http://thelondonpost.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Jewish-burka-466x320.jpg Even the "nuns" wears veil?
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Posted: 10 years ago
I'm sorry, but I don't think its possible to engage in a reasonable exchange with you once you present Zakir Nayek as a righteous scholar of Islam. The guy's practically a joke to all except for some hard-core fanatics.

Dr.Zakir Naik is a medical doctor by degree .He is renowned as a dynamic international orator on Islam and Comparative Religion.

He clarifies Islamic viewpoints and clears misconceptions about Islam, using the Qur'aan, authentic Hadith reciting each and giving each Surat, Ayat number(by heart) and he has not only learned Qur'aan and Hadith by heart but has also learned several Bibles, the Talmud and the Torah (the Jewish scriptures), the Mahabharata and the Bhagwat Gita (the Hindu holy books), and other scriptures and gives very satisfying answer in conjunction with reason, logic and scientific facts. He has learned hundred and thousands of pages from different books by heart and has the knowledge of scientific and mathematical facts and theories.

Dr. Zakir Naik has delivered more than 700 public talks in the U.S.A., Canada, U.K., Saudi Arabia, U.A.E., Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain, South Africa, Mauritius, Australia, Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, Thailand, Guyana (South America) and many other countries, in addition to numerous public talks in India. His lists of guests have included ambassadors of the respected countries, Army Generals, Political Leaders, Sports Persons, religious scholars , entrepreneurs, and most importantly the ordinary people.

He has successfully participated in several symposia and dialogues with prominent personalities of other faiths. His public dialogue with Dr. William Campbell (of USA), on the topic, "The Quran and the Bible in the light of Science" held in city of Chicago, U.S.A., on April 1, 2000 was the most famous one.

He is also the founder and chairman of Islamic Research Foundation .

The Islamic Research Foundation (IRF), Mumbai, India, is a registered non-profit public charitable trust. It was established in February 1991. It promotes Islamic Da'wah - the proper presentation, understanding and appreciation of Islam, as well as removing misconceptions about Islam - amongst less aware Muslims and non-Muslims.

Dr. Zakir Naik appears regularly on many international T.V. Channels in more than 100 countries of the world. He is regularly invited for T.V. and Radio interviews.

Shaykh Ahmed Deedat[May Allaah have mercy on him], the world famous orator on Islam and Comparative Religion, who had called Dr. Zakir, "Deedat plus" in 1994.

This guy is a joke?? People who never have accomplished anything worth talking about take liberties in pulling such people down. Case of sour grapes.

About Taslima, uh huh, you know nothing about her or the reason she developed such an aversive outlook towards Islam. Its not because of her uncle who raped her. Read up her biography,and then we can talk. Also, she's studied Islam and the Hadiths, and she's punctuated every criticism/slander (whatever you call it) with reference from the texts themselves.

This is from her twitter account...
"Muslim women deserve to have sex with 72 virgin men on the earth as they won't get these things in heaven."

a) This Hadith is a Daif, a weak Hadith because it has no chain of narrations although it is listed in an authoritative collection, this particular Hadith has technical weaknesses in its chain of transmitters and is therefore not considered acceptable.

b) Even If it was a Sahih Hadith & not a weak one, the Quran says "We were your allies in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. And you will have therein whatever your souls desire, and you will have therein whatever you request (Quran 41:31)", so InshaAllah, If I enter paradise & request for 72 virgins, as per Quran I will get it.. Another thing, this is not important but normally a Muslim who have strong knowledge in Islam, would know that "heaven" is Christian concept, Muslim calls it "Paradise".

This is another tweet of hers..
"Let's offend Islam. It is the only way to let Muslims live decent lives. Islam is the greatest enemy of Muslims."

What kind of person thinks that "offending" people is better than living in a society based on basic morals like "respecting each other & not hurting each other" ? 😕

And whoever told you that powerful women leaders (on the topic of Hasina and Khaleda) don't propagate the entrenched norms of patriarchy, is grossly mistaken with no understanding of how a patriarchal set-up works. Also note that Bangladesh has one of the worst records of women rights. Having two female Prime Ministers did zilch in that case.

Taslima said Islam is an oppressive religion...something that did little to secure the rights of women. Funny, Quran did mention about women rights in spiritual, educational, economical, social, legal, political & etc etc.. + there are hadiths too.. If the women in Bangladesh have no rights, then that is the "cultural" problem not "Islam". I wrote about some of the rights here http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4199525&PID=115478563&#p115478563

And lastly, if you think that no amount of "slandering" is going to destroy your faith, why the heck do you want to hound people who criticise it? Leave them alone, they're not gonna do any harm. 😆I don't pay attention to people who I think are utterly unable to inflict harm on me, I ignore their rants. The moment the whole Muslim world goes up in flames over the tiniest bit of perceived "blasphemy", issues death threats, holds violent rallies etc., it means they're not so sure that these handful of blasphemers can NOT do any harm to their faith. Look at the Christian world and how it handles mockery of Christ and Christianity in general---they ignore stuff like "Piss Christ", knowing that such stuff ain't gonna change their faith. Now THAT is called being secure, not running after people with bayonets and bombs.

Who says I hound them? I personally could not care less and they will not received any reaction from me. I mean how pathetic grown adults feel the need to do such a thing. Why would I react violent to an out and out provocation from a bunch of bigots with nothing better to do with their day? I feel pity for you all. It says volumes about you and nothing about me or my religion, draw what you like 'its your funeral' (idiom)..

P.S. Do show me links which prove that Hirsi Ali and Sultana are "liars".

Hirsi Ali
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho3BpnpAagQ

Sultana
She used to be an Alawi. They broke away from Islam around 900 AD. Many Alawi do not consider themselves to be Muslims. Ibn Kathir and other respected Sunni scholars historically categorized them as pagans. Sunni and Shia both rejects them as their belief is completely different from Islam. There are more like Christians. They even have a figure like Father Christmas who gives gifts to the children on December 26th.
Sulatana said "Nuke the Muslims"..like I said "mentally disturbed"
http://spencerwatch.com/2010/08/11/robert-spencer-calls-nuke-the-muslims-crazy-lady-a-heroine/


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Posted: 10 years ago
FallandFly: Interesting that you're from Bangladesh. In that regard, I've a question for you: What is your opinion on the recent murders of Dr. Abhijit Roy, Washiqur Rahman and most recently, Ananta Vijay?

Nope, reacting aggressively to the tiniest bit of provocation is indicative of a weak and insecure mindset, not "guts". By that logic, dictators who paranoiacally persecute theit critics are the gutsiest in the world. You see what I mean? And this "urge to protect the religion" is what's preventing several Muslim societies like Saudi Arabia from evolving into a more civil, 21st-century society. The more you feel the urge to "silence your critics", the more you stop yourself from acknowledging your own shortcomings, and the more stagnated you become. The reason Christians are not burning blasphemers to death today, is because they learnt to accept criticism of their blind beliefs. Sadly, the same cannot be said of Muslims everywhere.


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Qirad: The bit you posted about Zakir Nayek, was it from Wikipedia? Have you ever watched any of his sessions?

And if Wafa Sultana indeed said that Muslims should be nuked, then that's indeed a cause for concern. Though I'm yet to read the link.
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

Qirad: The bit you posted about Zakir Nayek, was it from Wikipedia? Have you ever watched any of his sessions?

And if Wafa Sultana indeed said that Muslims should be nuked, then that's indeed a cause for concern. Though I'm yet to read the link.


Nope.. years ago I took it from his website.. http://www.irf.net/drzakirnaik.html .. some info have been updated.. I have watched some of his debate, few episodes of Oxford Union debate..

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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

FallandFly: Interesting that you're from Bangladesh. In that regard, I've a question for you: What is your opinion n the recent murders of Dr. Abhijit Roy, Washiqur Rahman and most recently, Ananta Vijay?

Nope, reacting aggressively to the tiniest bit of provocation is indicative of a weak and insecure mindset, not "guts". By that logic, dictators who paranoiacally persecute theit critics are the gutsiest in the world. You see what I mean? And this "urge to protect the religion" is what's preventing several Muslim societies like Saudi Arabia from evolving into a more civil, 21st-century society. The more you feel the urge to "silence your critics", the more you stop yourself from acknowledging your own shortcomings, and the more stagnated you become. The reason Christians are not burning blasphemers to death today, is because they learnt to accept criticism of their blind beliefs. Sadly, the same cannot be said of Muslims everywhere.



I would say the same thing about these bloggers as Charlie Hebdo,they shouldnt have been killed and the those who commited this crime should be punished accordingly.But their should be strong law against those Bloggers as well.Ive read their Posts on the Blogs and trust me they have surpased Charlie.And their stories Are insulting and Full of Hate speech..Fair judgement to both sides should Stop this whole thing.
And by Protesting and Protecting our religion i Didn't mean 'taking out the guns' i meant,like,right now,i am answering your questions,without using any abusive language,and sticking Firmly to my beliefs.We can also bring Forward Peaceful Rallies without the Armed bikers and just reach out to everyone about our Religion with 0 violence.
Saudi,for the last time,is nothing like you and i think,my friend who came from their made more BFs in 4 Yrs than i could read my Books...I'm Sure thats not what a 'Muslim State' teaches their children.And interestingly,She said that Mom and She were more than Happy and Free in Saudi than in BD.In Saudi Her mom Used to wear Jeans and she used to wear Skirts but not have to wear Burqa cause the Creeps wont stop Starring at them!
See,i bet you thought Saudi To be freaks about Women wear Jeans or they driving Cars or Working,cause i certainly used to think that😆,But she says she can't wait to go back to her place and I'm like "W*F?!We cant be that Bad"😆
And about Saudi Royals...you wont understand what i will say now,but you can look it up on Any reliable website,Ad-Dajjal is the Ultimate trial for all the Muslims around the Globe,He is our Biggest enemy and we have to fight and Stay away from him Nd his Charms.But their are some People who worship him in the Name of Illuminati,i hope you know about that,and Saudi Royals are seemingly one of them...they made a Freaking Palace for him in the Place which Prophet Muhammad [PBUH ] had described 1400 before.What does Ad-Dajjal give them?Money,fame,Status and Pleasures of the this World in exchange of Degrading All the Muslims and Humiliating them enough to Make them turn away from their Religion.
Saudi is what people think the best example of A Muslim state,Best way to degrade Muslims?Corrupt that state.
You wouldn't believe it,and i don't expect you to either but We have so many clues around us that its just not easy to ignore it anymore.
I dont like to talk about other religion lest i Offend them in anyway but like i said Earlier,most Christians nowadays Are not that into their Religion anymore,When asked they say "i love Jesus,but not the Religion" even made a YVideo about it...look it up,and you'll be astonished about the amount of likes It got...and so less people came and Said even a Single word against it.
And the declining rate of Christians is also proving the same thing.
When they hear anyone criticizing their religion and ignore it,do you think they Forget about it?Or aren't they hurt even a bit?We can handle Criticism,because if we Didnt then Either the world by now will half its population [Cause,according to you,Protesting is all about Bloodshed]or The Amount of Muslims in the world wouldn't be 1.7 Billion in just 200 yrs.Because we are more 'Criticised' than the Christs,Hindus,Jews e.t.c
And if you still want give me their Example,then pls,i wont buy it.
Last but not the least,we have more reasons to love and support our Religion so dearly than to just Drop it...If you want to know why we are so passionate about Islam,you have to know Islam.
But this time,dont look at it to find out why it is so 'oppressive' towards women and Why it has such "Brutal death" for Blasphemy...But we know it the Only true religion.
See,their are like hundreds of Clues right infront of our eyes...Our enemy and his Followers being the Biggest,we know,The least thing we can do is Shout out Loud and Proud of our religion and atleast Try to stop the mockers at first,without guns...then turn away,with the satisfaction " I tried "

And please,BD is Place you should never ask for justice if you're not related to Our 'lovely' President...There is a Reason why i love "The HungerGames" so much😆...So i know better than that you know from the Tv and News...behind the scenes is a Very important thing.
Peace out.
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Nobody is stopping you from protesting verbally or orally against anti-Islam sentiments. Freedom of speech goes both ways, its as valid for devout Muslims as it is for atheists and critics of Islam. The problem starts when people resort to violence and censoring against differing viewpoints.


On Saudi Arabia, could you give me the friend's number? I wanna have a chat with them personally. 😆 This sounds more fantastic than an acid trip.
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Posted: 10 years ago
I'm not sure why are people mentioning Christians here.. Whether a Muslim killed 12, 100 or 1000, there is no comparison to Christian killing - 1 million plus just in Iraq invasion alone.. Satanic torture methods used on them, chemical weapons that has caused birth defect so severe that doctors have never seen before.. Bush is a strict Christian who believes in preparing the road for Armageddon, Anti-Christ and etc etc.. Christians killed 70 Muslim in Central Africa.. 4 Germans attack a Muslim women...

This year only, Mustafa Mattan was killed in his own house for no reason, the next day chapel hill shooting, & the next day Houstan mosque was set on fire. http://www.colorlines.com/articles/man-set-fire-houston-mosque-islamic-leaders-forgave-him

Mukthar Ahmad was killed for no reason.. and Ahmed Al-Jumaili... Muslims gets killed too all over the world, it is just that you never hear about that in the media..
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Qirat.

I'm not sure why are people mentioning Christians here.. Whether a Muslim killed 12, 100 or 1000, there is no comparison to Christian killing - 1 million plus just in Iraq invasion alone.. Satanic torture methods used on them, chemical weapons that has caused birth defect so severe that doctors have never seen before.. Bush is a strict Christian who believes in preparing the road for Armageddon, Anti-Christ and etc etc.. Christians killed 70 Muslim in Central Africa.. 4 Germans attack a Muslim women...

This year only, Mustafa Mattan was killed in his own house for no reason, the next day chapel hill shooting, & the next day Houstan mosque was set on fire. http://www.colorlines.com/articles/man-set-fire-houston-mosque-islamic-leaders-forgave-him

Mukthar Ahmad was killed for no reason.. and Ahmed Al-Jumaili... Muslims gets killed too all over the world, it is just that you never hear about that in the media..

IKR?!
Some of the people react like Only Muslims can dream of Killing people and other religions are only about peace...But this was Meant to be right?Quran had written in many places that this time will come!
If you count the amount of Muslims being killed and Muslims Killing...the Killed proportion will definitely outweigh

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