Recitation of Vande Mataram against Islam - Page 20

Originally posted by: Gwen77

I LOVE SINGING VANDE MATARAM AND WILL NEVER EVER EVER STOP SINGING IT!!!

By the way: the song is not about religion...its about RESPECT...as Vajpaye put it...and i couldnt agree more

I think mslims SHOULD sing every single verse of the song, because the song does not say in ANY way that you should convert to hinduism or that hinduism is better than any other religion

The song is simply showing the immense power that the soil of India has....its so strong it is being compared to the forces and beauty of Goddesses...

i reali couldnt put it better myself...n completly agree!

WOW!!! What a debate, 30 pages long and all I got to hear is,'India is a secular country' and 'Singing or not singing Vande Mataram, shouldn't be forced'.🤢

Originally posted by: souro

WOW!!! What a debate, 30 pages long and all I got to hear is,'India is a secular country' and 'Singing or not singing Vande Mataram, shouldn't be forced'.🤢

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I haven't read any of the comments. But I am amused by yours. Is that a criticism on the post and debating or disgust at the ideas?

Originally posted by: reeps

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I haven't read any of the comments. But I am amused by yours. Is that a criticism on the post and debating or disgust at the ideas?

It's a criticism of the way they debated. No one took a definite stand (except a few muslim participants, whose posts have been deleted). It's a debate, so it's either the muslims are absolutely wrong or absolutely right in not wanting to sing Vande Mataram. Everyone took a mid-way stand, that the choice should be theirs, well 'duh' that everyone knows. Give some reasons as to why they are wrong or why they are right. I even saw some of them starting with a strong stand point only to soften it in the end. Among the regulars, I only found Solidsnake to take a somewhat definite stand 👏, the rest was just politically correct statements, sometimes even emotional rather than logical, which has no place in this debate.🤢

Oh and one more thing all (except those participants who've been banned) had the same view point. I wonder if no one had anything to disagree about why did they drag this for 30 pages.😕

Originally posted by: souro

It's a criticism of the way they debated. No one took a definite stand (except a few muslim participants, whose posts have been deleted).

Hmm, why were the posts deleted? Did they say something offensive? I remember from KYPH days... IF has the tendency to curb freedom of speech.

It's a debate, so it's either the muslims are absolutely wrong or absolutely right in not wanting to sing Vande Mataram.

I went back to the first page to read what the post was about after reading your comments... the article doens't mention which verse is against Islamic law or why any of it is wrong according to Islam😕. I read the translation, and find nothing offensive in it.😕 ... pretty poem about motherland/earth, and is meant to be a poem right? 😕 Also, I do not understand why the govt. officials would make it mandatory to be sung in schools??? I have my doubts about prayer system in schools, too though... I remember we used to pray/sing (beautiful songs), but govt. should learn to get their policty of state vs. church straight! Not everybody believes in god or agrees with it.

Everyone took a mid-way stand, that the choice should be theirs, well 'duh' that everyone knows. Give some reasons as to why they are wrong or why they are right. I even saw some of them starting with a strong stand point only to soften it in the end. Among the regulars, I only found Solidsnake to take a somewhat definite stand 👏, the rest was just politically correct statements, sometimes even emotional rather than logical, which has no place in this debate.🤢

Can I pull on your hair please?😳😆 Have no place for emotions in debates??😡 Give some credit to emotions!😡If I may say so, ain't most topics and posts fueled by rxns, emotions ... how people feel, etc.... feelings, beliefs (related to emotions) all give rise to debates... anger, disgust, love, what not....😊 .... hmm, logic and emotions complement each other, and have their place in debate. There is really no right or wrong stance (could be skewed depending on feelings of protesters or their motives) ... always a grey region in between.... 😊 It's always a matter of perspective, I believe. What the article is saying or why Muslims are protesting makes no sense what so ever to me! If it had explained, I might have been able to understand what the problem is, and then form an opinion.

Hmm, now that I want to write on the issue... I am confused! Maybe I am confused cause I can't see the other side of the argument...

1. Govt. shouldn't force others to do what they do not will to do.
2. What is the necessity to sing 'vande matram' or 'jan gan man' everyday or make it a regulation? Do it on special ocassions .... one doesn't have to hum it everyday to show one is patriotic or whatever it is supposed to prove....
3. Who ever doesn't want to participate (personal choice) should be excused! Govt. can do so to please the community. I heard a story about a 'drug' which is illegal in US, but the native american people are allowed to use it for special ceremonies cause it is part of their religion.
4. Before saying more, I would like to understand what the problem with 'vande matram' is though .... it's just a poem.😕

Oh and one more thing all (except those participants who've been banned) had the same view point. I wonder if no one had anything to disagree about why did they drag this for 30 pages.😕

That is silly to say the least!! 😳

Persy

Originally posted by: reeps

Persy

Fixed it, it's in orange now. The colour of this part is what I used before, don't know how you got confused.😕

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Uff, fix the font color, souro. I can't tell what you have added.

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Fixed it, it's in orange now. The colour of this part is what I used before, don't know how you got confused.😕

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Really? I must be blind cause I was seeing black in black...probably not looking carefully enough. Sorry, but thank you for changing the font color.

Hmm, reason should be valid enough.... gel within limits of 'bill of rights' (is that what it is called in India?) ... laziness (an excuse), in my opinion, is not a good reason.... however when religious issues come into play, it should not be neglected esp. considering the diversity in the country, and one wouldn't want to give the wrong ideas to sects/groups/etc. Decisions should be based on 'common good' of all within the community.

IMO, singing Vande Matram is no big deal, however, I do not share the same sentiments(attachment to concept of 'not bowing down to anybody other than Allah') as those who oppose it .... so, I can't judge the extent to which singing 'Vande Matram' might make them uncomfortable.

Even if the National song recognizes bowing down to Motherland, it doesn't make country equanimous to god .... respect is what matters!! And the amount of respect you chose to give!! Singing a song/forcing some to sing a song doesn't make them respect/recognize the country more.

NO more! Debating ain't my cup of tea. Besides, I need to go to bed.

Persy