Is God to blame for everything that has gone wrong - Page 5

Originally posted by: BirdieNumNum

hey, no blaming God for everything that has gone wrong. God will get mad if you point fingers, and then don't blame him/ her afterwards.😛😆

Originally posted by: _Angie_

That nature does not seem to treat human beings or any other being for that matter on the basis of what that particular individual has done but rather as an interlinked part of its environment. The consequences of an action or inaction by an individual are borne sooner or later by the entire human race and more across the space time continuum. Eg. the fallouts of a war, ecological disturbance, market conditions, pandemics and many more. In other words, much as we would like to believe, an individual is not an isolated being but an integral part of a larger system. Any change in a part of the system affects the whole

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Even if we were to assume for a moment that there is a God and He created this Universe, I don't see how He is under any obligation to govern it. An ideal observer is one who causes no perturbation to the system under observation.

From what we know, a bunch of fundamental particles evolved into all that we see and experience. Any intervention by God, so far in the timeline of evolution, is absent evidence. That does suggest that, even if there is a God, He decided to be an absentee landlord. Ties in with the definition of an ideal observer .

As for praise or blame, I am not sure what is so praiseworthy or blameworthy about the experiences. Sure, some are joyous, some are agonizing, some are lighthearted and some heartbreaking. But the sum-total of all these experiences integrated over time seem to amount to cipher. I am not sure I see a utilitarian value to these experiences, good or bad.

As for pain and suffering, and who should be held accountable, it certainly seems like the Creator has to take the responsibility of governance. But we can't be selective now, looking at a heinous rape or a gruesome murder. The laws were broken long back and more importantly they were allowed to be broken. When one heterotroph is "permitted" to derive its energy from another autotroph or heterotroph via consumption, when one living organism can kill and eat another living organism, and the physical/chemical/biological laws can't do anything about it, I think we are a bit late in the game to start whining about the injustice of it all.

Originally posted by: Summer3

Perhaps it would be right to say that God does not see anything other than Himself.

For reasons of simplicity God is often viewed upon as having dual roles. The unmanifest God who is ever unchanging and unperturbed and the other the God that takes a more active role and expresses Himself as the Energy or Shakti. Since we ourselves are an expression of the same energy it can be argued that we ourselves are the God we have been seeking. It is the ego that creates separate identities and without the ego we may not have any role in Creation either. So we need to keep at least a small bit of ego ( of a separate identity) to continue living.

The question of whether God involves Himself in the affairs of the world and creation relates to the Shakti aspect of God. When there is danger or trouble God intervenes either when there is a sincere prayer or because the person involved has a pure heart. The situation could be further complilcated by karmic issues too. Still humans cannot expect things to happen without applying their mind and bodies to the task on hand.

Extreme sufferings and death always make us question the existence of God, but He does not turn a blind eye for sure. He is aware all the same and perhaps when one transcends time and space the view is just a mass of light.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

And question still remains: who is to blame if nature itself (as a whole) is riddled with bugs.

Originally posted by: _Angie_

For someone who has been himself introducing bugs that should be an easy one 😆

Is it intentional or inadvertent ?

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

That was witty and thought provoking at the same time.

Let's see. Since we are on God, I would say, if one is not capable of creating/designing a bug free system, then one shouldn't even attempt doing it.

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

Without subjecting any of what you said to analytical / scientific scrutiny -

who is viewing God as having dual roles?
is the ultimate truth, monism or dualism?

Originally posted by: salvatore-nina

I believe there is a higher entity but not an entity that's so strong as to decide my fate and write it for me.

My family almost always say, whether something good or bad happens, that whatever happens is because God wanted it to happen and God knows best. I disagree (though I would never say it aloud). But then that is the problem with believing in God, if you believe there is a higher force at work, then people also believe that everything happens because of that higher force.