Is it wrong for society to stand up for itself??

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enigmatic_zephy

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Posted: 12 years ago

16th December 2012 - A girl was brutally raped

While the country was crying foul, two days later a woman was raped on way back home from Jaipur

Soon enough a girl in Bihar was raped ( just like many poor ladies are raped by the rich / middle class officers, businessmen, roadside romeos on a daily basis)

Kerala: girl is raped by 40 men and the case drags on for over 10 years in the end acquitting one and all

Army men have a history of raping women in the northeast and Kashmir

Bureaucrats, the nice men of the society have a long history of trading in women for a tender or two..

Policemen, lawyers, corporate, teacher, families, own father/grandfather/brother.. name a sphere of life where this is not prevalent

And lastly, the famous Mumbai case of the 90s - mentally handicap girl in the crowded Mumbai local train..

And let's not leave history behind:

Rise of Islam: Read up on what the situation was in Europe and now middle east

Moghuls and their treatment of women

Hindu rulers and their lust for womens

Dravidians: South kings - since the age of Cholas - reason behind devdaasis..

British - how they treated the women here..

HOW WOMEN ARE STILL TREATED BEHIND THE CLOSED DOORS BY A HUSBAND..

Talk International:

Official figures: rape cases where victim is nabbed is < 15% in USA and much lesser in UK..

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So tell me, if the government fails to take steps... how many more women are we ready to sacrifice??????????????????

Specifically in context of India ( may be valid elsewhere)...What is so wrong if the society takes the decision in its own hands...???

I have no expectation from the government, these politicians and their families are enjoying women day in day out.. they don't care..

I do not want a life sentence or hanged till death as a punishment ( it is not a punishment perceived by the culprit himself 😆 - refer Kiran Bedi's survey of rape killers in Tihar)...

I want his genital cut, I want him burned alive.. so that a few cases like these and men would think 1000 times before attempting even in their own dreams..

I want FEAR and not COMPASSION, LOVE to be the route to handle this.. because not everytime love is an answer to everything.. IT IS NOT!!!.. rewards and punishments - every emotion can do that..you need to know what would work where when the best..

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Ok, that was my anger talking..

BUT TELL ME,

What is wrong if one day a colony does decide to take matters in their hands...

I know most of you would think of the sanctity of democracy
If allowed once, how will the rage or justification of this punishment be controlled in future...
Upholding the legal binds of the society
Many other .. well reasoned arguments..

But i do wonder at times, specially seeing nothing happened on Jyoti's case..
Why can a society not take a drastic step if the society itself and the government keeps failing the people..and keep allowing right to feel free to be crushed like a candy wrapper..

if we could be Saudi Arabia, nothing better..but we are faaar from it..

Next time if something happens in your neighborhood and people know who did it..should we just not take matters into our own hands...if govt fails again???

#Gangajal

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DonnaHarvey

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Posted: 12 years ago

Taking matters in to our own hands; if this means vigilanty then, we are looking at the rise of potential dictators. Case in point Liberia and its ex-warlords who fought a civil war to free its people now control the land in a gangster money collector fashion.

If this means revolution then, a directed revolution is needed. Taking Egypt as an example here, Hosni Mubarak was replaced by the Muslim Brotherhood and the youth are still fighting their battles at the Presidential Palace. Nothing has changed. Doesn't mean it cannot but it has not yet.

As far as punishment goes, we have to be careful of what impact harsher sentences will have on reporting the crime. I would think preventing the rapist from re-intergrating into the society after finishing his/her sentence is a better solution (tags such as those on sex offenders; possibly on areas of body that are visible to the eye).

This is what Shoma Chaudhury (managing editor of Tehlka magazine) said.

Most rapes are by family or neighbours. They are mostly not reported to protect honour. If death sentences come, families will report even less

Lobbying in parliament, organized resistance and protests are the best bet. An Anna Hazare-esque protest or even one akin to the Arab Springs of 2012/Occupy can be tried given there is an end game. What is the plan? The goal that we want to achieve should be clear enough to be implemented.

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Posted: 12 years ago

There was a case reported in Bihar a few weeks back about a woman being raped. The woman first thought of setting herself on fire but changed her mind and instead poured the kerosene on the sleeping man and set him on fire. A poll survey found that almost every person sympathised with her as they were aware of the slow judgements in the courts.

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Rehanism

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Posted: 12 years ago

Yes, mob justice is wrong. It looks good in films but in real life its pernicious..In the end it will create a more criminal and bestial society. Any voice that displeases the mob would be similarly suppressed with brute force. And I don't know what people mean when they say nothing is happening in Delhi case..What exactly did you expect? Within few days the perpetrators would be pronounced guilty and hanged? The law has to take its course, and that is in the best interest of the society in long term..We have a system, that may seem slow and inefficient to the Bollywood loving layman, but its the best hope we have got. One must remember, the purpose of justice is not to appease blood lust of the mob. Giving in to mob's passion is something that no responsible judiciary can ever afford to do.

One more thing that bothers me is that many people in India have started to look up to Saudi Arabia, Iran, Afghanistan and China for role models in justice delivery...In facebook memes or blog posts, many seem to miss the sort of justice delivery that exists in these countries..Each one of these countries happen to be as far from democracy as one can be and each one of them top the list of international human rights violations. India may be a horribly flawed democracy, but still its a democracy with considerable freedom of press and private media. Here the leaders and lawmakers are legally bound to answer to the questions of common citizens. Besides there's lot of scope for constitutional amendment in our country, something that's practically absent in all of these countries.. In the Islamic theocracies you suggest a reformation in the law or try to contradict the bearded chimps and you die. In communist China practically nothing leaks out in media without state approval and it has a history of suppressing democratic forces through force.

Last week I was reading a news about a foreign woman being raped in Dubai who was later charged with fornication and sentenced to 100 lashes due to her inability to produce 4 eye witnesses to her rape. 70 percent of female population in jails of Afghanistan are filled by rape victims who could not prove their charge. In India when assholes Ass-ram, Chautalia and Mohan Bhagwat blame women and western culture for rape, they receive their well deserved flak and are often forced to apologize. In the Arab world, such people and their world view are at the helm of power and there's no hope that they would go any time soon. So, I think it would do well if Indians learn to respect the idea of democracy or at least acknowledge the fact that they are in a far better position than many freedom deprived people in this world. And if you want role models, why not look up to genuinely free and progressive societies like France, Germany, Canada or Australia? Why go for the worst?

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DonnaHarvey

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Posted: 12 years ago

People are protesting the root, if not the problem at hand. #fbrape got Nissan and Finnair and other big advertisers to stop monetizing "lad culture" (I never knew what this was until twitter enlightened me this is a term coined and widely used an excuse to explain anything from street harassment to rape). Dove still sucks but we can talk about that later.

As long as we are peaceful and keep bothering those in power, things happen.

Revolution is not a one time event. -Audre Lorde

This is ONE of the MANY things that started #fbrape

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLGoqeSCIAEHJeZ.jpg:large

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