Why 'Declare Publicly' that you're gay?

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Posted: 12 years ago
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This "he should declare publicly that he's gay" statement that we hear a lot makes me wonder why is it even necessary for a gay to declare it publicly? Why do people want it to be declared? What difference does it make anyway? I just visited the Bollywood section and the same thing there, declare it, declare it, declare it! WHY? Why should one make a public announcement of the way that they are- are straight people asked to declare that they're straight? No, then why should the gays be treated any differently? They're humans too like the straight people,they're just attracted to the same sex unlike the straight people and it's their choice and just the way they are, why does being gay require special treatment and announcement?

In times when people fight for equal treatment for the gays, I find it ironical that the same people ask them to announce that they're gay publicly. I don't see a need for it. When a straight couple is not needed to declare that they're straight, why should a gay couple be required to SAY that "yes, we are gay" even though it's obvious that they are if they're dating someone of the same sex. If an obvious straight man isn't needed to "declare" that he's straight then why should an obvious gay be asked to "declare" it publicly? Why can't they let them be and treat them like any other person?

Now, this is excluding the people who are so scared of it coming out that they pretend to be straight and even marry/date a girl to cover it up- that's different but there are people who don't do this and just go about their life without telling that they're gay and I don't see why should people like these declare that they're gay.

One one hand, we fight for the gays to be treated equally and on the other we treat them differently by asking them to "declare it publicly", I just don't get it. May be I'm wrong in thinking this way and that's why I have come here to see what others think about it. So, any thoughts?
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Posted: 12 years ago
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It should be up to the person to declare it or not. No one should pressure the other without knowing all the circumstance. The Bollywood forum is more of a fun forum so you should not take it that seriously.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

It should be up to the person to declare it or not. No one should pressure the other without knowing all the circumstance. The Bollywood forum is more of a fun forum so you should not take it that seriously.


I agree, they should not be pressurized, it's their will.
Oh no, the Bollywood forum was just an example, but I have seen it at other places.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree with you totally.

It's the choice of the individual. Not everyone has the chance or the circumstance to come out publicly. And as people tell me sometimes, you don't just come out once. You have to come out all the time, even if you do it publicly. So "coming out" isn't one epic event that then alters the rest of your life the way it is portrayed in North American popular culture (involving white people, mostly).
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Posted: 12 years ago
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I also don't really like the word 'coming out' much. Straights don't have to come out, so why gays? I understand the meaning and intent behind the word wasn't anything negative, but still...
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Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

I also don't really like the word 'coming out' much. Straights don't have to come out, so why gays? I understand the meaning and intent behind the word wasn't anything negative, but still...



Because being queer is a very different experience than being straight. Nobody questions your sexual orientation when you are straight. People on internet forums don't argue about whether you are natural or not. Nobody tries to "cure" you of your straightness. People don't express fear, disappointment, shame, and disgust at an integral part of your being.

Also because being "straight" is normative - it is not supposed to be an announcement because everyone assumes heterosexuality unless they have reason to question that assumption. 90% of love songs are about straight love, not queer love. Images of love and sex predominantly revolve around idealized heterosexual experiences. A friend recently had a baby and someone joked that the boy is going to grow up and have lots of girlfriends. Only some of us in the room balked at that. Others went on like it was fine. People assume heterosexuality as a default.

That's why "coming out" can be a meaningful experience for some, though not everyone may choose to do it publicly. It can be an empowering act - even if you are just coming out to yourself - of self-acceptance and pride at not having to hide who you are.

Regardless of whether straight people "like" the terminology, it's important to recognize that queer people own and use certain language to empower themselves and their communities. For too long, queer issues have been dominated by what straight people find acceptable. It's time for queers to make their own decisions about what is acceptable.
Edited by --arti-- - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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In an ideal world it shouldn't matter if you are gay, straight or bi. No one should have to "come out" and declare a sexual preference. All relationships should be normal and acceptable. Unfortunately, we don't live in an ideal world. There are two reasons why "coming out" is significant.

In our current world being gay is considered "different". Young people who realize they are gay discover that their attraction isn't the norm. They feel overwhelmed when everyone asks them hetero-normative questions about crushes, dating, prom etc. Many experience fear and apprehension how their friends and family will react. Hence "coming out" is a rite of passage. It is a moment when the person accepts who they are and is comfortable with it. It is a moment when they have the strength to be who they are in society. Socially for everyone involved "coming out" can be the moment when you assure each other that it is not "different" but completely "normal" and "acceptable". Hopefully, sometime in the future, this rite of passage becomes unnecessary.

The reason behind pushing celebrities to come out is because people in the limelight tend to be influencers and role models. It serves a dual purpose. It helps breaks some stereotypes that are built around gay people. It also can give strength and confidence to youth who are bullied or contemplating coming out. When men like Neil Patrick Harris & Matt Bomer came out, it changed many misconceptions about gay men being effeminate, unmanly, flamboyant etc. Despite being gay they are intelligent, funny, stylish men both straight and gay men aspire to be like. The whole "It gets Better" Project where many celebrities and lay people came out and shared their coming out experiences was so crucial because it offered a counterattack to the bullying epidemic. So coming out is a means of breaking stereotypes and passing on courage, wisdom, strength to the next generation who may be afraid. Again, I hope that sometime in the future, this is unnecessary as both stereotyping and bullying fade away.

In the end though, it is a personal choice. No one should feel compelled to come out and share their experience. It is highly disrespectful and unfair the way we tend to force people to come out. The most disgusting thing is the sneak attack type outing that tabloids and gossip columnists to – like they did with George Michael. Jodie Foster's speech at the Golden Globe awards was EPIC in how it addressed this issue of privacy and personal life.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: --arti--



Because being queer is a very different experience than being straight. Nobody questions your sexual orientation when you are straight. People on internet forums don't argue about whether you are natural or not. Nobody tries to "cure" you of your straightness. People don't express fear, disappointment, shame, and disgust at an integral part of your being.

Also because being "straight" is normative - it is not supposed to be an announcement because everyone assumes heterosexuality unless they have reason to question that assumption. 90% of love songs are about straight love, not queer love. Images of love and sex predominantly revolve around idealized heterosexual experiences. A friend recently had a baby and someone joked that the boy is going to grow up and have lots of girlfriends. Only some of us in the room balked at that. Others went on like it was fine. People assume heterosexuality as a default.

That's why "coming out" can be a meaningful experience for some, though not everyone may choose to do it publicly. It can be an empowering act - even if you are just coming out to yourself - of self-acceptance and pride at not having to hide who you are.

Regardless of whether straight people "like" the terminology, it's important to recognize that queer people own and use certain language to empower themselves and their communities. For too long, queer issues have been dominated by what straight people find acceptable. It's time for queers to make their own decisions about what is acceptable.


Yeah, there isn't anything I'd disagree with you here. I just meant that, in an ideal world, coming out shouldn't even be an issue exclusively to the gay community. But then again, it's futile to hold the ideal world as the norm. In the practical world, the issue of coming out to oneself is very important (and then comes issues with coming out to ones family/friends and then, if the person wills, publicly or not), as people are fundamentally socially conditioned to picture themselves as straights. I agree with you on the last para.
Edited by Beyond_the_Veil - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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They must declare it. We have to stop these bloody fellows and throw them out of the country so they do not ruin the Indian culture.

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