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Posted: 12 years ago
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Originally posted by: Dostum

Of all the crap by the public ... there was after all just one human being (woman or man) there to help the girl but failed as a rod him his head. Remember that all the Naris and Nars in those area became castrated themselves when the nude body of the girl layed uncovered.

Job muft me bolna hota hai to saab apna thobra lekaar aage aajatein hain ... EVEN NEXT TIME IF SOMEONE FACE THIS PLAGUE, THESE PEOPLE WILL REMAIN SILENT AND THE RAPE WILL GO AMIDST THEM ... they will come out the next day infront of India gate for that big party!

Ofcourse ... posts in India forum about Mahila Mukhti and equality and bla bla will continue ... blame game on government and police ... oppress the husband and sasural or parents to feel MUKT!...

But then ... the culprits and always being made ... and they keep on being fermented out of this cowardly social structure we have. Selfish to its core.

Had I been in Delhi. By the way, New Delhi is the Crime Capital ... not Old Delhi.


first of all there is nothing wrong in posting on forums if u really believe and practice it. the best thing people can do to improve this situation is encourage boys to respect women from childhood itself and follow it themselves.
yes walking by the body of that girl was unacceptable, but again that is because of the loopholes in your system and mentality as no one wants to be part of all the hassle.

and i think the woman in that article was just fishing for some publicity.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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In a culture where women are treated as second class citizens, then yes it is a cultural problems. Women are treated like a prize that men are entitled to. If a woman says no to a guy making a pass at her, he seems to think its reason enough to attack her. Why arent women given more respect in our culture? That's what it comes down to.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Making Marital Rape a legal offence is the fastest way to make it clear that Rape means forced sex, not lost Virginity or Honor.

Posted on January 6, 2013

Some fresh examples showing how sexual assaults are seen by those who we expect to work towards controlling them.

Rapists are raised, encouraged, supported, justified and excused by mindsets like these.

1. Vibha Rao, chairperson of Chhattisgarh State Women Commission.

"Women display their bodies and indulge in various obscene activities. Women are unaware of the kind of message [their actions] generate,"… she believes excessive "display of body" by women influenced by western culture is the key. Ms. Rao, an advocate by profession and a prominent BJP leader in the State…

Regarding alleged rape of the tribal women by erstwhile vigilante gang members in south Chhattisgarh,

Ms. Rao said she cannot comment on 'sub judice' matters. [Link: 'Women equally responsible for crimes against them']

I agree with this comment below the news report, by Anita Badami:

After reading Ms Vibha Rao's ridiculous comments, it is not at all hard to understand why so many Indian males behave as atrociously as they do with women. Obviously they were brought up by women (like Ms Rao) who
inculcate ignorant and deeply misogynistic attitudes in their sons.

2. Education Minister T. Thiagarajan and college Principals in Puducherry

Separate buses for schoolboys and schoolgirls, overcoats for girls, ban on mobile phones on campuses and restricted interaction of girls and boys…

— these are the steps the Puducherry government has decided on to enforce to prevent harassment of girl students.

The measures came after a meeting between Education Minister T. Thiagarajan…

By reducing contact between boys and girls, it was possible to prevent basic misbehaviour and it would also reduce "temptation," said an Education Department official.

Instead of 'dupatta,' a student should wear an overcoat. Squads would be formed [IHM: Not to check sexual harassment but] to check use of mobile phones by students, Secretary of Education G. Ragesh Chandra told The Hindu. These guidelines were for both private and government schools and a similar meeting with college principals would be held next week, he said.

Principals' suggestions

During the meeting, the principals emphasised need for greater interaction [IHM: Not between students so male students see women students as humans, but] of parents and teachers, advanced intimation to parents if special classes were conducted and maintenance of a record of the mobile phones of parents and guardians so that they could be informed if their wards were not present.

The move for separate buses came after several principals voiced concern that "when boys and girls travel together, they often did not get off the bus even when their stop arrived," Mr. Chandra said.

"Many principals also observed that boys and girls sat inside the bus even before classes were over for the day, as the buses are parked on school premises. By having separate buses, these activities could be prevented."

The measures drew flak from academicians and activists. [Link:Puducherry prescription: separate buses, overcoats for girls]

Are they trying to prevent social interactions that could lead to 'love marriages' or consensual sex between young adults or are they trying to prevent sexual assaults against women, babies and girls?

Do they even know the difference?

Many Indians (including the Khaps) seem to see any sex outside marriage as Rape; and sex, forced or not within marriage, as 'consensual sex'. The fact that Marital Rape is not seen as a crime encourages this thinking. If Marital Rape was seen as a crime (that it is) – it would be difficult to excuse women's clothing and lifestyles for rapes.

Many Indians see rapes not as a violent crime, but as loss of honor, 'purity' and virginity of the victim. Making Marital Rapes a legal offence is the fastest way to make Indian women and men understand that Rape means forced sex, not lost virginity or honor. It would also become clearer that women actually own their bodies and men actually can (and a majority does, only a percentage of men are rapist despite the licences and impunity that Patriarchy gives to men) 'control their urges'.

3. RSS Chief, Mohan Bhagwad

A husband and a wife are bound by a contract which says – you (woman) look after the household chores and satisfy me, I (man) will take care of your needs and will protect you. (RSS Chief, Mohan Bhagwad)

Five questions worth asking here: 1.) So there would be no rapes, if women were not working earning? 2.) Non working married women do not get raped or husbands are to be blamed if they are raped? (This alleged rapist would like this) 3.) Marital Rape is not rape? 4.) Women are not sexual beings and sex is about women satisfying men and not a mutual experience?

Making Marital Rape a legal offence will address some of the above Rape Myths.

But is there any hope for that with mindsets like below?

Mumbai Police Commissioner Satyapal Singh says there is a direct link between school and college education and murders and suicides, and students who study in English-medium institutions are especially vulnerable. [English education triggers suicides, murders, says Mumbai top cop Satyapal Singh]

Some of the above might like to discuss their conclusions with Haryana Khaps.

Jitender Chhataar, "Poverty and intoxication are the main reasons for rape as well as young people sitting together the wrong way. But also eating chowmein causes a hormonal imbalance which is a big reason for rapes." [The rape of reason]

Each of the above would find Marital Rape difficult to understand. They are unlikely to ask: "What purpose does protecting any rapist, married to the rape victim or not, serve?" But if the law recognises the crime, eventually the society would do too.

Do you agree?

http://indianhomemaker.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/making-marital-rape-a-legal-offence-is-the-fastest-way-to-make-it-clear-that-rape-means-forced-sex-not-lost-virginity-or-honor/

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Posted: 12 years ago
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I agree that women are half of the problem. I think some of these women are victims of abuse that have decided to glorify predators to cope.

Ever since the beginning of time, society has been scared and threatened by female sexuality. It's not a bad or evil thing, guys. I think we younger generation of Indian women can now take a stand and make a change hopefully. Don't feel like a "good Indian girl" must do as they're told. There's nothing wrong with owning your body, saying no and being in charge of your life. I think people wrongfully assume that a woman will go wild if she can make her own decisions. That's not the case at all.
Edited by Loving2011 - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Dont understand why it is considered bad to demonstrate with candles peacefully. When we have to express our outrage and draw the law makers to take notice, How does a civilised population express itself in a democracy. Should we go on a rampage and destroy public property or maybe become violent like those rapists. Im sure the people who make fun of such protests want status quo.

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Posted: 12 years ago
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No. I don't think rape is a cultural problem. It is endemic the world over. Used as a weapon in many wars, against people, and I say people covering minors, male, female, transgender, as a form of violence, revenge and bullying. The only cultural issue is that with chastity in many countries it is regarded as taking a females' honour and demeaning to her and the family. Therefore it is a shame and some narrow minded people will continue to cast aspersions and not let the victim or family move on.
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Posted: 12 years ago
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Yes, yes. Yes times infinity.

Rape is a cultural problem. I could not agree more with your argument, topic maker. It does not matter how far we've come and how much our country develops or how quickly we adopt things Modern. The truth is the outlook both men and women in our country have is the same. And it is that fact that men and women are two very different species and that women are supposed to be dominated by men. It's like a bylaw of our culture. Like a man raping a woman whose outside the her house at night is a natural force! Like a man treating his wife like a lesser being even after say, two decades of marriage is his birth right! The reason why men get away with this nonsense is because women frigging support them. I have on countless occasions seen women act like their husbands treating them like vermin is normal. Men get away with the most immoral, ruthless and heinous things because women let them. By that I do not mean women 'invite rapists' by wearing clothes of their choice and working outside their homes. What I mean is that we all know women who preach the differences between a man and a woman and see to it that their gender is treated as unfairly as possible. We all know those women, they're in our families and neighborhood, lots of em. Then again, I am not saying every man and woman hailing from our culture is the same, of course not. But very many of us are like that and when I think about it, I am very, very angry.


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Posted: 12 years ago
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It is on one hand an irony and on other hand funny. This culture apparantly worships woman. That ASSrams or this doctor, they prolly fast all 9 days of navratri and observe the festival. We idolize women and put them in a temple and worship them, and then we try to do that to every single woman.

However rape is not a cultural problem. rape happens worldwide, over culture, on different pretexts. Its a human problem.

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