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Vintage.Wine

@Vintage.Wine

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Posted: 12 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

Congrats on your liver transplant, till we find the origin, we are gonna keep a constants supply for you. 😆

Awww Free ...Thank you mon ...😛 ..Thankfully finding a new liver didn't prove to be as difficult as finding the God ..😆 ...Surprisingly though the doner this time was an Atheist ...So a part of me atleast is now atheist ...Yehaha..😆 ..And to be honest , I thought this time we would change sides ..You would argue on behalf of the believers and I as a atheist ..

Anyways the game is now on ...and Imma play that untill we make a History that ll say " The God was finally found on IF ..By the participants of DM" 😆 ..

And WTH ...😆 and I quote ya " till we find the origin,we are gonna keep a constants supply for you." ..What is that supposed to be? a Curse or a privilege? 😆 A nice way to make me Not wanna find the GOD anytime sooner ...I would say..😆

Vintu...😛

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Vintage.Wine

@Vintage.Wine

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: enigmatic
We are all manavas, descendants of Manu/Satyavrat, a progenitor of mankind in India. For the rest of the world, there was Noah (i think).

I guess I know why we are so flawed... We are the products of consanguineous relationships, rooting back to the first human on Earth.. 😛 😆

Mythology is intriguing, and dubious at the same time.

And you sir don't know how far back in time we had been to scout for the answer ...Its not about Manu or Noah ..Its about how they came into being ..And many are still groping to find the answer to that on a Subatomic and even Vaccum level ...😆

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Vintage.Wine

@Vintage.Wine

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#23

Originally posted by: Xarina
We were deposited here by the Navigator who could not return us to our own planet because it had been destroyed. 😆

Sorry for jumping in, 😃 Looking for a new interest.

Ahahahaha .. 😆 ..That beats us all ..That's easily the trippest answer ever ...What are you on btw? Blame it all on your username but Moskovskaya is my best guess ...😆 << Just Kidding ...😛

To be honest I once knew a woman who claimed the same ..Mary Standy was her name ..She said we once lived far deep under Titan's frozen oceans in a fossil state ..Hit by a comet we were carried over to the Earth ..A cozier place...And evolved here into our current state. .She also claimed to have spotted UFOs and seen the bellish ones ...She said they touched her and showed me the scars they left on her neck, the shoulders and um ..Let me leave the rest for you to guess ...😆

And why the hell should ya be sorry for jumping in? When I bet the most of us musta felt privileged by your presence..😆

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Xarina

@Xarina

Sparkler

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Posted: 12 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Ahahahaha .. 😆 ..That beats us all ..That's easily the trippest answer ever ...What are you on btw? Blame it all on your username but Moskovskaya is my best guess ...😆 << Just Kidding ...😛

To be honest I once knew a woman who claimed the same ..Mary Standy was her name ..She said we once lived far deep under Titan's frozen oceans in a fossil state ..Hit by a comet we were carried over to the Earth ..A cozier place...And evolved here into our current state. .She also claimed to have spotted UFOs and seen the bellish ones ...She said they touched her and showed me the scars they left on her neck, the shoulders and um ..Let me leave that for you to guess ...😆

And why the hell should ya be sorry for jumping in? When I bet the most of us musta felt privileged by your presence..😆

Vodka and orange is my drink of choice but I am partial to a rum and coke now and then. 😃 Atm I am quite sane 😆. Mary Standy must have had a few by the looks of it. Scars? Yeah, right. I read love bites 😆 Interested about the cosier place though😃

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Vintage.Wine

@Vintage.Wine

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: Xarina

Vodka and orange is my drink of choice but I am partial to a rum and coke now and then. 😃 Atm I am quite sane 😆. Mary Standy must have had a few by the looks of it. Scars? Yeah, right. I read love bites 😆 Interested about the cosier place though😃

Awww ..Did ya really think for once that she went rolling in the hay ? With Aliens ? 😆 ..Sheesh! You are crazier than me 😆...In a nicer way 😛 ...Well Xarina I know you might think I'm too drunk to know that I'm too drunk to debate ..But trust me I ain't telling ya porky pies ..Oh Please ! ...She literraly made me go bonkers 😭..Not just with what she had to show me 😛 ..but with all that she said and that manic alien site she hosted..That buxom, wily thing .. ...I ll give ya the link to the site once I remember that ..Not right now cause I can't even remember my own name ...😆 ...Huh! And the diary where I had jotted down all the details about me , thats missing too ...I bet Its gotta be my beaut, sloven maid ☺️ who steals my stuff like that ...Yesterday it was my toothbrush and on Monday the heart ..😆

Its been yonks since I last had a chance to yabber with someone as crazy as her ..I was fiending for such wacky chat ..All thanks to you to come to my rescue ..And make me feel the same ..😛 << Kidding again ..😆 ..Anyways..WelCome to the thread ..Keep posting ..Will ya ? 😃

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Xarina

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Posted: 12 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Awww ..Did ya really think for once that she went rolling in the hay ? With Aliens ? 😆 ..Sheesh! You are crazier than me 😆...In a nicer way 😛 ...Well Xarina I know you might think I'm too drunk to know that I'm too drunk to debate ..But trust me I ain't telling ya porky pies ..Oh Please ! ...She literraly made me go bonkers 😭..Not just with what she had to show me 😛 ..but with all that she said and that manic alien site she hosted..That buxom, wily thing .. ...I ll give ya the link to the site once I remember that ..Not right now cause I can't even remember my own name ...😆 ...Huh! And the diary where I had jotted down all the details about me , thats missing too ...I bet Its gotta be my beaut, sloven maid ☺️ who steals my stuff like that ...Yesterday it was my toothbrush and on Monday the heart ..😆

Its been yonks since I last had a chance to yabber with someone as crazy as her ..I was fiending for such wacky chat ..All thanks to you to come to my rescue ..And make me feel the same ..😛 << Kidding again ..😆 ..Anyways..WelCome to the thread ..Keep posting ..Will ya ? 😃

Me and think 😲. That's a new one 🤣. Careful with the maid. From the previous comments it looks like she stole your liver too. 😃 Look at that we have covered 'They Came from Outer Space (B movie) Fifty Shades and even Silence of the Lambs.

Thank you for the welcome. 😊As long as I haven't relegated sulking brain to the corner for thinking inappropriate thoughts I will comment. 😃

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Freethinker112

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Posted: 12 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil
Questions need to be asked properly before we can venture into the answers. Where "we" came from? Is that supposed to encompass the whole of universe, or the known knowns of the universe? The beginning of time, and the four-dimensions that we inhabit? The start of consciousness and our five senses? Each area is a highly complex area and current scientific findings indicate that questions like "where and when did it all start" does not make sense. Can we really comprehend what exists before we venture into the whys?

That's why i said this thread will deal with metaphysical, as we cannot explain all that currently using science. People in the previous thread had much ideas whose dismissal they didn't like, so I have relaxed the rules.

As to what does coming from include, we can discuss both the existence of the Universe, and abiogenesis.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil

I don't think we will learn it in our lifetime. I also think knowledge is infinite - or very near to it - and our sentient capacity for comprehension is limited. So we may never know.

Maybe or maybe not, you never know. Although, that's most probable scenario, seeing how less we know.

As to knowledge, will it really be infinite? Can't a finite knowledge result in infinite universe? For example, we have the knowledge of the operation addition, can't we produce infinite results using that finite knowledge? Our knowledge of numbers, it lets us make infinite numbers. As to infinity, can we understand it better with progressed intelligence? Or we can grasp it but nobody knows the explanation. Does the process of searching somehow evolves brain? Meaning that even if someone comes to us with high level knowledge and tries to explain, we won't understand because we haven't gone through the process of intuitive discovery. Maybe that's why no evolved species help others, because every species need to evolve themselves.

Originally posted by: Beyond_the_Veil
What I find much more fascinating is how human beings come to be. I am pretty darn sure we are not the result of Adam and Eve's children's incestuous unions. 😆 I am not very well versed in human evolution, but I really find the journey amazing. What drove us so apart from the common primate? How did we come to develop speech/language? The capacity for symbolic expressions? I am currently downloading "Becoming Human" - it's a three parter episodes concerning human evolution. The torrent is stuck there tho.

If we find life on another planet, will that show signs of evolution as well? I think yes.

Not just human beings, how matter became alive? How come a bunch of molecules turned aware.

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Vintage.Wine

@Vintage.Wine

Voyager

Posted: 12 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: Freethinker112

That's the cycle, although an atom is always an atom.

But who supplied the atom? Is there even an atom? How does a bunch of atoms question and wonder about its existence?

Hey Freethinka ...😛

Wouldn't it be too pandanous to go groping around the same dusky glens that ll lead us to Supergravity yet again? When we know nothing lies ahead of that for us to see ..And we can only rely upon surmising ..

The real question ..and the one that you cleverly left unseen the last time, that about the consciousness ...Why can't that be an energy? The prime, driving force which can be alluded to as 'The God' ..Shapeless and not confined to any size ...The greatest engineer of all times ..and even before the times ...Ever wondered why all celestial bodies behave in a astoundingly systematic manner? Like Good, disiplined students that we never can be ..😆 ...Yeah it seems like a fascinating work of art ...Well thought and well constructed..A cymbeline universe filled up with all round objects ..

Anyways coming back to the point ..You stated the dependence of the conciousness on the brains ..And I had asked ya to explain the late body movements..And now I have another such exapmle to put to your consideration ...Mimosa pudica <<< The plant as shy & diffident as my GF to be ... 😛 ..Its leaves close as we neart it ...The moment engendered outta conciousness ...And we all know no plant, no tree has any sorta neuronal network ..No Medulla Oblongata either ...and still can detect the touch ...So no brains involved here ..Not even a tiny bit ...I guess we must concentrate more on consciouness, the begining of individual's life and their death ...What happens after that ...If you agree ..😆

Alright ..nuff of rambling for now ...I ll await your response over this ..and get back to ya later ...For more platonic grappling ...😆

Gotta cut out now..

Hic !!

Vintu ...😛

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Freethinker112

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Posted: 12 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: Vintage.Wine

Hey Freethinka ...😛

Wouldn't it be too pandanous to go groping around the same dusky glens that ll lead us to Supergravity yet again? When we know nothing lies ahead of that for us to see ..And we can only rely upon surmising ..

The real question ..and the one that you cleverly left unseen the last time, that about the consciousness ...Why can't that be an energy? The prime, driving force which can be alluded to as 'The God' ..Shapeless and not confined to any size ...The greatest engineer of all times ..and even before the times ...Ever wondered why all celestial bodies behave in a astoundingly systematic manner? Like Good, disiplined students that we never can be ..😆 ...Yeah it seems like a fascinating work of art ...Well thought and well constructed..A cymbeline universe filled up with all round objects ..

Anyways coming back to the point ..You stated the dependence of the conciousness on the brains ..And I had asked ya to explain the late body movements..And now I have another such exapmle to put to your consideration ...Mimosa pudica <<< The plant as shy & diffident as my GF to be ... 😛 ..Its leaves close as we neart it ...The moment engendered outta conciousness ...And we all know no plant, no tree has any sorta neuronal network ..No Medulla Oblongata either ...and still can detect the touch ...So no brains involved here ..Not even a tiny bit ...I guess we must concentrate more on consciouness, the begining of individual's life and their death ...What happens after that ...If you agree ..😆

Hey Vintu! 😛

The question is what type of energy?There are various kinds, right? How do we detect the consciousness energy? Can it be transferred?

Mostly, the celestial bodies are balanced by the gravitational forces. As to the round shape, sphere is the way particle arranges itself to balance out, due to symmetry.

About the body, I told you there will be some medical explanation for it. Plants have stimuli system, of course they are not reacting by magic. The thing is that are they aware? I mean do they think? Should we be having levels of consciousness?

Now as to the consciousness, every atom has energy, different kinds. So, how come some become aware, how do they possess and lose this property? And another thing, which parts contain consciousness? Our whole body is living, but are they all conscious? Because if I cut out my hands or legs, I won't lose consciousness, right? Only when brain dies, does the consciousness go away. So, does brain "contain" consciousness? Does it have special cells, or do they cells possess special property?

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Believe

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Posted: 12 years ago

#30

Originally posted by: Xarina

Vodka and orange is my drink of choice but I am partial to a rum and coke now and then. 😃 I hide my vodka in orange juice...😉..Atm I am quite sane 😆. Mary Standy must have had a few by the looks of it. Scars? Yeah, right. I read love bites 😆 Interested about the cosier place though😃