did India move away from Gandhism? - Page 5

Originally posted by: tannipartner

Mahatma Gandhi is still referred as Mahatma or Bapu by us, even when we are criticising him, so he is still revered. But he is human, so he has done a lot of mistakes, some of which he accepted in his lifetime only. So he is not above criticism. And other freedome fighters are equally respected in India, their sacrifice, their contribution revered . You know it now, after 60 yrs simply because the world is a smaller place now with information at the tip of your finger.

Subhas Bose and HIter: Bose was simply looking for an ally to fight British. To that end, he did not conclude any deal with him even, they just had talks. So Why can he not be respected? The US dropped a nuclear bomb on Japan and were allies of British. 3 generations of Japanese suffered and still suffer from the aftereffects, I don't see any condemntion there.

The holocaust : It was horrifying . But India suffered a huge and equally revolting genocide during the Partition of India. Something which was largely fault of Gandhi as well. He gave in to petty politics and egoes of inept people like the Nehrus and Jinnah and sidelined strong leaders. So pardon us for not putting him up on a pedestral and worshipping him day in and day out as you expected to be But we , exotic Indians, are still a lot considerate and sensible people and do not judge someone by half baked knowledge.

Hence he still remains father of the nation and Mahatma, even when he had done his fair share of mistakes that altered lives of millions of people.

half baked knowledge is very dangerous.

Is Gandhi being compared to Hitler !!!! 😲 😕

Originally posted by: zorrro

Is Gandhi being compared to Hitler !!!! 😲 😕

Hitler was directly responsible for the holocaust whereas Gandhi always stood for non violence.
Everyone can make mistakes but to blame Gandhi for the mindless killings duing the partition is farfetched IMO. He did not ordertheir killings. Whenever law and order are compromised people's baser instincts gets an opportunity to express itself. It was easy to loot and rob people ad kill them. If they believed in non violence they would not have engaged in such cruelties.

Partition was a choice of Indians, being invaded and then killed by German NAZI forces was not a choice Poland made or any other poor nation in Europe. So it is not comparable.

Your Bose met Hitler but it was Hitler who refused to deal with him as he considered bose inferior. Sorry but you must face it. I did not know about your bose but now that I studied a little, it is clear he was aimless and only raised a militia which achieved practically nothing. His alliance with adolf hitler is poor.

Someone live in Germany here thinks of Germans are representative of Europeans thinking the way they think? Germans are an economic center of Europe. They have more Indians, while we in Poland dont have.

Indians are hardworking like any other nation, I respect India for it. Yes you are hard working, but I wish you be better to your can get some success as a nation too. China is doing much better and so not much comparison can be there. Malaysia is doing better too. It is still not true that some country's scientist invent something and his name is not as significant as his invention. I hope in India better to invent than to just work hard for commerce. Give the world too so you will know what this does to identity.

I wish well. But I still see Gandhi as right and relevant to todays world. Maybe not for Indians but others around the world.

As for Gandhi and power. He had no power. British had all the power. Gandhi was not much respect by the British even. He was a poor starved man in one cloth as a symbol of Indian people.

India should also pay attention to athletics and sports. Any mention on India's effort in last Olympics? Such a huge country, huge population, much more to expect.

To reject question is easy, to face it is difficult. I care for India and I see a relation with it through the husband. But Indian achievement is nothing compared to those with which it must compete in the global race.

Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi

Partition was a choice of Indians, being invaded and then killed by German NAZI forces was not a choice Poland made or any other poor nation in Europe. So it is not comparable.

please stop talking. people did not want partition, the Leaders did, for their own greedy needs. I am sorry for being so rude, partition was as much choice of Indian as getting killed was the choice of polish people. Why exactly is death of million innocent people not comparable? That is the white supremast talking. I am sorry to say that.You are sentimental because it is possible the holocaust affected you somehow. Well partition affected me. IF you choose to put down the pain and suffering of so many people by some lame ass judgement, you deserve to receive the same.



Your Bose met Hitler but it was Hitler who refused to deal with him as he considered bose inferior. Sorry but you must face it. I did not know about your bose but now that I studied a little, it is clear he was aimless and only raised a militia which achieved practically nothing. His alliance with adolf hitler is poor.

Have you read about gen Shahnawaz Hussain, Cpt Laxmi Saigol, Major Saigal. No, i doubt. But I don't expect you to have a thorough knowledge of Indian history, its too much to ask for, so you are free to have your opinion and so do I.😊 But I request you once again, please do not pass judgement based on your knowledge. Trust me you will not like it when you get it back.

Someone live in Germany here thinks of Germans are representative of Europeans thinking the way they think? Germans are an economic center of Europe. They have more Indians, while we in Poland dont have.

Some one living in Poland here think they represent what all europeans and poles think about Indians. Poland is not the only country where polish people can be found. And Students have a chance with interact with the youth of many nation, irrespective of economy. Rather students do not think what economic big wigs decide, their exchanges are lot based on knowledge and technology and common interest. So please don't assume living in germany equates to knowing only germans. There are enough polish ,greek, romanian, armenian, eukranian turkish, russian, and other european people, specially students living in germany and other european countries now. The world is a much smaller place than you think, living in one place does not mean interaction is limited to the locality only.

Indians are hardworking like any other nation, I respect India for it. Yes you are hard working, but I wish you be better to your can get some success as a nation too. China is doing much better and so not much comparison can be there. Malaysia is doing better too. It is still not true that some country's scientist invent something and his name is not as significant as his invention. I hope in India better to invent than to just work hard for commerce. Give the world too so you will know what this does to identity.

Thanks for your wishes. 😊But a country roughly the size of europe, with as many diverse language and culture as europe, has also a lot of problem. Are all the members of EU equally advanced? No. Now replace EU with central Govt of India and you get the gist. China is doing better than USA even, and certainly better than greece, spain,Portugal,Poland and lot other european countries. Why don't you compare them for a change? Problem exist everywhere.

Invention, let me talk about very recent invention.You know the HIgs Boson particle? Do you know where the name Boson comes from? Why don't you google and find it out.

India has given the world enough, certainly more than what you know it seems. IF you are really that interested in India's well being, why don't you spend some time finding them out. Right now, your post sounds very shallow and devoid of any fact.

I wish well. But I still see Gandhi as right and relevant to todays world. Maybe not for Indians but others around the world.

I agree to some extent. yet his principles are a bit too lofty but worth following, and not for India but for the whole world. But why is the onus on us to follow it even when it is impractical? Why don't you write a post on how the USA should follow Gandhi's principle and stop those drone attacks or condemn the way they hunted down OBL? because its impractical, its nice when it sounds, to turn your other cheek. But self defense is a right of any living creature, and you cannot dictate them how to behave. Its for people and country to decide.

India should also pay attention to athletics and sports. Any mention on India's effort in last Olympics? Such a huge country, huge population, much more to expect.

Well the country has enough problems, athletics and sports included. And India does pay attention to it. But its a huge country with democracy, things will always move at very slow speed. Efforts of India in olympics was amazing one time, extremely poor in between and is gradually improving. HUge country and huge population also has huge poverty. When you don't have food, everything else takes a backseat. The current world champion in chess btw is Indian.



To reject question is easy, to face it is difficult. I care for India and I see a relation with it through the husband. But Indian achievement is nothing compared to those with which it must compete in the global race.

NO one is rejecting question, we are brave and smart people and we face every problem and we look for solutions.

I am glad you care for India, whatever the reason maybe. But your posts, unfortunately, do not reflect it.

It lacks any fact, only emotional outbursts supported by some random information most of which are not true. For example you talk about Indian achievement but you fail to give example how India lacks achievement. How do you define achievement? Most of the educational,research and business institutions around the world have Indians in the top positions. Is that an achievement to you or not?

You talk about science and invention but you only go as far as you want to see. You do not seem to be interested in anything beyond what you choose to know. Do you know how laughabale it sounds when you ask India to contribute to the world?

Your posts sound ignorant and condescending, made specifically to prove how better you are. It sounds typically like those of the christian missionaries who had landed in the early 18th century in India to spread the light to dirty niggers.

Just because we are receptive of criticism and different point of views does not mean we are ignorant or weak. It means we respect other people's opinion. And gandhi, whom you respect so much, even he did not shy down from taking action , when being pushed over constantly. Please read how he fought for equal rights in South Afrika. So please do not misjudge our willingness to receive criticism as our lack of self esteem.

I don't know how you had the impression of the India you are talking about, but that picture of India is a figment of imagination .

Very shocked to see your reaction. If display of overflowing emotion can be seen anywhere, it was your post. Sorry but it is true enough. I know it is India forums, but truth is as it is. You can ofcourse deny.

You can never get an idea about a country through some students. Neither did I think I knew India when I met some Indian students at my university in Lodz. It was only after I came to India that I felt I came to know a little.

I am related to India through my marriage and my son. I visited my in laws there. You feel the little begging children at cold nights is a figment of my imagination? You can think so, but I know what I saw. I also saw the indifference of other Indians who were enjoying around them.

All the modern inventions of this world are done either by Europeans or people with a European background (or Russian, if they would consider themselves non European). Higgs-Boson invention is good, congratulations, but there should be more. Simple. More such names that people wish to follow or idolize in this world. I am not from science faculty, but I also know names like Newton, Einstein, Koppernik etc. Electricity, TV, Radio, washing machine or particles, everything you name it. I am not trying to demean India, but I just think that India gave the world Gandhi and such philosophy more than the material inventions. You obviously misunderstood.

You can get back at me with anger, but anger is sign of helplessness 😊. Dont be like that as I am not attacking you. Germany and its universities cannot explain you a European world, its much more diverse and big.

Whole Europe compared to whole India or China is much more rich and self sufficient. We are much more developed and the wealth distribution is better than China and India put together. Please remember that, and this is the reason you came to Europe to study and will possibly try to live too (I welcome it).

EU is fast becoming the most powerful uniting force. Europe is rising once again, more united and powerful. This recent economic problem we face brings us closer to that goal. Once we solve it, we are stronger. We will solve it and Europe and Christianity will reign supreme, as always.

Please dont say wrong things about missionaries. Christian missionaries were selfless. One such was Matka Teresa as she gave up all for helpless Indian children. Have some conscience please.

I did not bring Bose in this topic, it was totally on Gandhi. Someone else did and then after I checked, he tried to come to a deal with adolf hitler, and so he cannot be respect by any righteous person in this world. If you live in Europe you should know this. If you dont know this then it is very sad and I am worried. Mr Bose even married an Austrian in hiding, not open. So he did not get respect from hitler either. What I wrote about Indian national army is written many places. It was after all a militia. If you did not want him discussed, you could have not mention him. If you mention him you must have the heart to listen something more about it. Why such a reaction when something you dont like comes up?

Partition of India was not brought up by me, it was brought up by someone else. Someone compared it with second world war's fallen. So there was to be another mention, why you did not expect this?

Someone in this topic mentioned that India and Pakistan and Bangladesh all wanted to separate. I think she was King Anu. As she is from Pakistan, she feel it is a separate entity and they always wanted to separate. So it is the choice of you and your people. The leader represent the people. Hitler had much love letters and was the most popular leader of his time, Germans cannot deny that he was not their leader, because he was. I did my research on this much, I welcome you do that. This is our history, European history. Before comparing it to partition of India, remember that you talk about hitlers massacre to a European, and she may know better. I had personal loss in family, but it was not the choice of our nation or our leaders.

If you talk on something, if you bring up something, you must prepare yourself to listen to the reply. If you dont want something, dont mention. Simple.

You have wrong idea about me and my thought on Indians. I just feel if India followed Gandhi, they would be on better track. I am curious about it.

The failure in sport and science or economy is not because India is huge. There are other huge countries too, as China and Russia. They also suffered, sometimes much more than India. Australia is huge, so is USA. Poland is not a small country, but compared to India, our wealth is more even and infrastructure better. Show me a street urchin who is uncared in Poland, even in village. I dont demean India by this, just highlighting how moving away from Gandhi made India broken and now in great corruption and chaos. No one else helped India as much. Cricket and a chess champion for a nation like India is never enough. Chess is good, cricket is a British game unknown in most of Europe or other parts of the world. Olympic is the prime stage of human capabilities and national image. I wished India won more.

Indias national economy can be stronger than Malaysia, but quality of life is not better than little Moldova even. There is nothing to be shy, as I also wish India to be better. My son is half India, why I will hate India.

I have not much good English. I learn it still, and better with Russian and Polish. So dont take me wrong on language if you did.

Bless you, I hope you can understand missionaries better and the light of Christ may reach you. Amen.

Let me clarify certain facts here i guess u may be knowing that zero(0)was invented by an indian also what english we speak its major words comes from sanskrit if u knw that. Talking about gandhi,i guess it looks like someone has googled which is the only country to get independence by non-violence and got an answer is INDIA,bt sorry to say that isnt the truth. Here i would also talk abt Bose as he was mentioned in ur post as aimless if u know bose before forming the army he had won the president post of congress,he was extremely brilliant and wanted india to get independence at earliest,bt gandhi forced him to resign and made nehru in his place. Bose formed INA and started a war against british for that he took help from japan and germany n here u wer talking abt how bose met hitler bt he only wanted the indian soldier's of war from germans dnt just mix holocast with bose meeting hitler. Gandhi didnt had any part in independence if u knw it was the INA soldier's who after being defeated wer nt given proper hearing by british and court marshalled that lead to mutiny in the indian soldier's working for british india army and it was here that british realised they had lost the indians who helped britian control india for so many year's.n hence britian gave indians independence in haste to save themself from anger of partition which was growing. I guess US should follow gandhian principles first they wer the once who dropped bomb on japan. If u are talking abt modernizatn its good if u read how britian exploited india over year's and looted it than u may know why all european countries became rich when indians are still developing also it guess its over for the EU their GDP is shrinking Greece,portugal,spain are few examples US Has so much debt from china. It was only gandhi who was responsible for partition he was like a britishman delaying our independence by abt 20year's.

@Polki_Zofi I had no intension to say this bt since u mentioned abt missionaries i would like to tell you Goa a state in india ruled by portoguese for abt 450 year's until 1961 if you see the work of missionaries in those early days they used to do conversions,since entire population in Goa was hindu bt over period since neither the neighbouring states had christain community there was mass conversion and now the christain community here have their hindu decedents u wont find this on by net surfing or just visiting n looking at people.
India may have lots of problem bt we are improving every day.if gandhi would be ther india would have failed to exist,coz pakistan would have overun india during 1947 war,hope u would know this.

Originally posted by: Polki_Zofi

Very shocked to see your reaction. If display of overflowing emotion can be seen anywhere, it was your post. Sorry but it is true enough. I know it is India forums, but truth is as it is. You can ofcourse deny.

No words. Its okay for you to be highhanded and emotional and act all big sisterly but not okay for us to refute that?

You can never get an idea about a country through some students. Neither did I think I knew India when I met some Indian students at my university in Lodz. It was only after I came to India that I felt I came to know a little.

Who said I only got it from students? I said I also got it from students. And who said I haven't been to Poland?

I am related to India through my marriage and my son. I visited my in laws there. You feel the little begging children at cold nights is a figment of my imagination? You can think so, but I know what I saw. I also saw the indifference of other Indians who were enjoying around them.

Funny you choose to see the little begging children but not the people who are working their ass off to help them. You see indifferent people but not those who save from their pocket money to do charity work and donate to charities. You see what you want to see, but thats not the gospel truth. There are many faces to truth. You might not see them, doesn't make them any less true.

All the modern inventions of this world are done either by Europeans or people with a European background (or Russian, if they would consider themselves non European). Higgs-Boson invention is good, congratulations, but there should be more. Simple. More such names that people wish to follow or idolize in this world. I am not from science faculty, but I also know names like Newton, Einstein, Koppernik etc. Electricity, TV, Radio, washing machine or particles, everything you name it. I am not trying to demean India, but I just think that India gave the world Gandhi and such philosophy more than the material inventions. You obviously misunderstood.

Newton lived in 1600s, Kopernicus 1400s, They are modern according to you?

India gave the world zero in 1500BC. So its not modern, please tell me why it is still used? Fundamental findings have no time or age.

people who wish to follow and idolize scientists and businessmen have enough to pick and choose from in India. As i said before, just because you donot know does not mean they are not there. And an average man does not dwell much on Newton or Einstein either.

You might not try to demean India as you say, but your posts say something different, specially when you keep on harping over and again even after several people successfully refuted you. I am into this debate way later from page5. Different people already debated about it before for 4 pages before I entered.

I respect your admiration for Gandhi. But you have to understand, whatever you find admirable might not be same for me or to another person and you do not get to decide why not. Its people's choice. And Also grass is greener on the other side. Even marxism is wonderful in theory, we all know the contraints of its practical application.

I did not misunderstand your admiration. What baffles me is why do you keep shoving your admiration and love for Gandhi's principles down our throat without even considering for ground realities or what we might decide to be better.. And when people refute you, you choose not totally ignore their points.

Gandhi is not the best thing India imported, trust me. it maybe to you, but it is not to much more number of people. Saying that over and over will not make it any different.

You can get back at me with anger, but anger is sign of helplessness 😊. Dont be like that as I am not attacking you. Germany and its universities cannot explain you a European world, its much more diverse and big.

Had I been angry I would have called you names and written some nasty stuff. Just because someone is refuting you logically does not mean they are angry. But if it suits you, I am angry.BTW, rightful anger is not a sign of helplessness. It is a sign of reaching the upper limit for tolerating bullshit, not that I am angry. Just saying.😆

How do you know my experience is in Germany and its Universities only?😆😉. I said I studied and live here now. But I might have been to other parts of europe, lived there for sometime. YOu seem awfully fixated at tying me down with Germany only . This is the second time you mention in this post.

Whole Europe compared to whole India or China is much more rich and self sufficient. We are much more developed and the wealth distribution is better than China and India put together. Please remember that, and this is the reason you came to Europe to study and will possibly try to live too (I welcome it).

Offcourse, no one is denying it. However maybe all that glitters is not Gold? Recent bout of financial crisis and demands of bailout, angry protests in france, and spain and Italy do seem a bit contradictory about the wealth distribution.But whatever makes you happy.

Lots of people btw come for exchange studies and go back after living few yrs. Lots of people live a yr and go back too. As to why I came to study? Why don't you keep guessing?😆

EU is fast becoming the most powerful uniting force. Europe is rising once again, more united and powerful. This recent economic problem we face brings us closer to that goal. Once we solve it, we are stronger. We will solve it and Europe and Christianity will reign supreme, as always.

Really, seems we follow different news then. EU was almost at the verge of breaking down recently. There were talks of dissolution of euro because it became so difficult during may-june.

Europe can reign supreme. no problem with that. There is a bit of a problem with America though, doubt it will decide to concede its number one position so easily.😆

Please dont say wrong things about missionaries. Christian missionaries were selfless. One such was Matka Teresa as she gave up all for helpless Indian children. Have some conscience please.

Errm, pardon me for being rude last time. YOu just sounded very typical of those people, who were determined to show us the light. YOu know those who didn't think twice before killing those poor natives, oppress them? If you did not mean it any way, then I am sorry for being rude unnecessarily.

Please stop worrying about my conscience. Its fine the way it is. You can spend that time thinking about yours if you want to.

I did not bring Bose in this topic, it was totally on Gandhi. Someone else did and then after I checked, he tried to come to a deal with adolf hitler, and so he cannot be respect by any righteous person in this world.

Really? Why don't you read his full life in wikipidea before this judgement. Apparantly Gandhi got along quite well with Mussolini. What should a self righteous person infer from that ?

If you live in Europe you should know this. If you dont know this then it is very sad and I am worried. Mr Bose even married an Austrian in hiding, not open. So he did not get respect from hitler either.

I knew all of it, when I was in India. we read history, of all it, we don't get to choose what I like or not.

Are you worried for me? Thanks, its always nice to have people who care about you.

I thought, HITLER was a megalomaniac, a tyrant, a mass murderer and a loser. Why exactly is getting respect from him that a big deal? We just agreed he was loser of highest order did we not?

Oh wait, HITLER become important when it fits our point and the hated person , surprise surprise ,again, when it fits our point.

What I wrote about Indian national army is written many places. It was after all a militia. If you did not want him discussed, you could have not mention him. If you mention him you must have the heart to listen something more about it. Why such a reaction when something you dont like comes up?

The INA has a controvertial history. Both positive and negative. If you can discard and dismiss all the positive and only focus on its being negative, I reserve equal right for reaction and focussing only on its positive. In a sane debate, the other side does not dismiss and discard the points raised by one side.

The INA's marching song, is in use as the Regimental quickmarch of the Indian Army as well as its Para Regiments. You would think that the Indian Army would not bother about such a rogue militia troupe. Maybe then it has some validity?

Partition of India was not brought up by me, it was brought up by someone else. Someone compared it with second world war's fallen. So there was to be another mention, why you did not expect this?

Whoever mentioned did, did definitely not say these following lines, which you said:

It was misinformed and cruel and judgemental.

And I don't know what research you did, a plain wikipidea search says totally different info.

So you are saying Hitler was the German leader and hence his massacre is also the massacre inflicted by ALL the germans?

because you seem to say the same thing about India and partition. Because the leader represent the people. And it was our choice to die like butchered cattle.

I have read enough about the world war2, and HItler's activities and I did not seem to ever condone it or support it.

If I am talking about HItler's massacre to an european, so are you talking to partition of India to an Indian.

If my homework seems shaky, so does yours.

I told you, if you cannot respect my pain and my personal feelings then maybe we should not revisit the topic. But you had to.

You keep harping on the choice of nation. Choice of nation and people .

It was not the choice of nation or the people. It was a choice of handful of greedy and egositic people to have power and dominion.

It was as much choice of the people as that was of an average german in deciding what that megalomaniac does.

So please tell me, why is it losing your family member to the massacre so much more important than the pain of partition and losing family there?

Why is one death more important than other?

If you keep saying your massacre is bigger than mine, I will keep saying no. I would say both are equally revolting.

What makes you think your pain is more important than mine?

What then makes you any different from the person you hate so much?

You don't have the power and resources of that person, thats it.

Today your pain is more important, tomorrow your skin color, day after tomorrow your eye color, that day after your race: Then you become supreme leader of a improved race and others must be eliminated. Sounds familiar😉?

You have wrong idea about me and my thought on Indians. I just feel if India followed Gandhi, they would be on better track. I am curious about it.

After reading 6 pages of your thought, I have the right idea. You might think I have wrong idea, but the more you keep on acting high handed, the surer I am.

For the record, India follows Gandhism. Some of the key principles of our constitution is based on his ideals. It was already explained early on in the debate. you either did not read it,or chose to ignore it.

But modern India has an issue being treated as a doormat. And modern world, except for a few seem to be okay with it.

The failure in sport and science or economy is not because India is huge. There are other huge countries too, as China and Russia. They also suffered, sometimes much more than India. Australia is huge, so is USA. Poland is not a small country, but compared to India, our wealth is more even and infrastructure better. Show me a street urchin who is uncared in Poland, even in village. I dont demean India by this, just highlighting how moving away from Gandhi made India broken and now in great corruption and chaos. No one else helped India as much. Cricket and a chess champion for a nation like India is never enough. Chess is good, cricket is a British game unknown in most of Europe or other parts of the world. Olympic is the prime stage of human capabilities and national image. I wished India won more.

India's problems are same with brazil, and some african nations and yes even China. There was no Gandhi for them. gandhi is not a one stop short cut solution to complex problems like economy, industrialisation, banking etc. Real problems need real solution.

India was always corrupt and chaotic. Thats how the British made inways in the first place. But thats Indian history. You might not be interested. Gandhi did not wave a magic wand and solved our problem. hell, these problems were there even then Gandhi was alive. What are you talking about?

national image just don't depend on olympics madam. There are a lot many things. We are all hoping India will win more.MAybe it will, in another 10-20 yrs.

Indias national economy can be stronger than Malaysia, but quality of life is not better than little Moldova even. There is nothing to be shy, as I also wish India to be better. My son is half India, why I will hate India.

Hmm, again, what do you mean by quality of life? Some of the world's richest people are Indians you know, I am sure their quality of life is at par with counterparts.

You might say social disparitiy. But its a big problem almost everywhere, not just India.

You might not hate India, but you do come off a bit high handed at times.

I have not much good English. I learn it still, and better with Russian and Polish. So dont take me wrong on language if you did.

I don't really nitpick on language, because we are all speaking in different language. Its commendable the way you write english. 👏👏

I did not take you wrong on your language, your intentions came out quite clear on that. Maybe if you did not wish to say it that way, you might try to change your approach? Right now you sound condescending and high handed and I am afraid this apology might not be enough.

Bless you,

Thank You. Its always nice to receive blessing.😳

I hope you can understand missionaries better

You see i studied for some time in convent. I have seen missionaries from inside, which means the bad of it and the good of it. It maybe all good to you, but some things are not good to other people.Why don't you accept people have different opinion and we call it a day there?

and the light of Christ may reach you. Amen.

And the light of Vishnu may reach you . Jai Shree Vishnu.😆

With Due Respect To Gandhi Ji ,
He was Blessing In Disguise !