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seoulbeats

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Posted: 13 years ago

Sky rocketing cut-offs have left students and parents bewildered.

While you make study hard and secure even a 95 percent, it wouldn't guarantee you a seat in the top college of the country.

A sort of saturation point has been reached when most of the people are just waiting to see what cut-off will the to colleges keep.

Shri Ram College of Commerce, the best college in our country according to India Times Survey, declared a 100 % cut-off last year. While this year they chose a different formula to calculate cut-offs the fact still remains- till what extent will they stretch cut-offs?

A plausible solution could be to replace the existing system of Board examination with the entrance test but then some feel that the importance of Board Exams will be undermined and students will become lethargic and laid back.

So what do you think? Entrance tests or Boards?

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Posted: 13 years ago

Yes Board examinations should be replaced by entrance test.Already till this year to get into engineering and medical colleges you just have to get a minimum % in Boards say like for medical it is 60% just to be eligible to appear in these exams and then the rest is decided by the results of the entrance test.So its high time they should come with this kind of rules in Commerce field also.Specially as u said when the cut offs are becoming just impossible to achieve ,entrance etsts can evaluate a students potential in a better manner.

Also to add I know so many students who got like percentage in the 80s and are in good med schools and IITs and some of them even with % in 90s are still trying to get into one.

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: seoulbeats

Sky rocketing cut-offs have left students and parents bewildered.

While you make study hard and secure even a 95 percent, it wouldn't guarantee you a seat in the top college of the country.

A sort of saturation point has been reached when most of the people are just waiting to see what cut-off will the to colleges keep.

Shri Ram College of Commerce, the best college in our country according to India Times Survey, declared a 100 % cut-off last year. While this year they chose a different formula to calculate cut-offs the fact still remains- till what extent will they stretch cut-offs?

A plausible solution could be to replace the existing system of Board examination with the entrance test but then some feel that the importance of Board Exams will be undermined and students will become lethargic and laid back.

So what do you think? Entrance tests or Boards?

At one point all of it is so extremely frustrating and confusing, you don't know what to do! Just imagine studying for two totally different things which you can not manage. Plus the cut off marks now days are not below 80 for other subjects while it is 95 for science! That puts a lot of pressure on a student.

Now that CBSE board has given options to the schools that they cant opt out of board exams, I think same should be one for 12th for all the boards so that a student can focus on entrance exams.

If not that. at least both the boards and entrance should have at least same or similar syllabus so that it does not much so much load on a student.

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At one point all of it is so extremely frustrating and confusing, you don't know what to do! Just imagine studying for two totally different things which you can not manage. Plus the cut off marks now days are not below 80 for other subjects while it is 95 for science! That puts a lot of pressure on a student.
Now that CBSE board has given options to the schools that they cant opt out of board exams, I think same should be one for 12th for all the boards so that a student can focus on entrance exams.
If not that. at least both the boards and entrance should have at least same or similar syllabus so that it does not much so much load on a student.

There is just a lot of hype surrounding boards and both parents and students feel the pressure of the same. In truth the papers in boards are much more simpler and the checking of these is more lenient. This leniency in checking board papers has resulted in an enormous increase in number of students securing high marks and this inevitably leads to jump in cut-offs.

When new system of CCE was introduced a lot of controversy surrounded it.It was easier than ever to secure good grades. When the results of the class tenth board examination was announced last year I was shocked to see just how many people scored a perfect ten CGPA. But even more shocking was the news of the children who barely managed to pass the class eleventh examination even though they secured a perfect 10 in their tenth boards.

Is that the kind of education system we want?

I think not.

If ever we do scrape off system of Boards and take up entrance instead I think we'll have a more fair chance to get a college of our choice. But then again, that's a huge if...

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Thanks to Kapil Sibals experimental policies now the students have it too easy in class X (to cut down the stress and suicide rates) and then suddenly the burden is increased manifold in XII boards with several coaching classes, class tests, mock tests, entrance exams AND the boards. The students appearing in engineering entrance exams will have to do reasonably well in borads too as 40% weightage would be given to scores in board exam. The medical aspirants too may have to face the same fate in a yera or two.

Sibal had also proposed something of a open -book exam for XIIth. I am not sure I understood that properly 😕

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Posted: 13 years ago

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Thanks to Kapil Sibals experimental policies now the students have it too easy in class X (to cut down the stress and suicide rates) and then suddenly the burden is increased manifold in XII boards with several coaching classes, class tests, mock tests, entrance exams AND the boards. The students appearing in engineering entrance exams will have to do reasonably well in borads too as 40% weightage would be given to scores in board exam. The medical aspirants too may have to face the same fate in a yera or two.
Sibal had also proposed something of a open -book exam for XIIth. I am not sure I understood that properly 😕

Exactly! It scares me to think about the kind of education system we are building up. The talk that students are overburdened is just a load of baloney. Of course the level of education has to increase with every passing class.

This argument goes straight out of the window when you think about all those students who sat for the board exams in tenth. They had the same syllabus, same test books and same pressure and they managed to pass through so how come are students getting suddenly over burdened.

The CCE is the most pathetic system of evaluation where no discrimination can be fairly made between a hard working student and a lazy one.

Yeah, the open book test is just the icing on the dung heap. I hope for the sake of students that it never does get passed.

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: seoulbeats

There is just a lot of hype surrounding boards and both parents and students feel the pressure of the same. In truth the papers in boards are much more simpler and the checking of these is more lenient. This leniency in checking board papers has resulted in an enormous increase in number of students securing high marks and this inevitably leads to jump in cut-offs.

When new system of CCE was introduced a lot of controversy surrounded it.It was easier than ever to secure good grades. When the results of the class tenth board examination was announced last year I was shocked to see just how many people scored a perfect ten CGPA. But even more shocking was the news of the children who barely managed to pass the class eleventh examination even though they secured a perfect 10 in their tenth boards.

Is that the kind of education system we want?

I think not.

If ever we do scrape off system of Boards and take up entrance instead I think we'll have a more fair chance to get a college of our choice. But then again, that's a huge if...

True, board exams are much simpler compared to the competitive exams but can you imagine the amount of time a student spends preparing for board exams, when he or she can spend this time for entrance exams? At a certain point it seems like a waste, don't you think? It is like an extra burden.

Firstly, I think the purpose of the education system is to educate the child and not force the child to commit suicide.. So the system definitely helped in reducing the stress levels for the students. It should be actually applied for 12th grade too, where it is really needed.

Secondly, the system in India is such that when you get from 10th to 11th you suddenly are overburdened with enormous books and tremendous pressure that at first everyone finds difficult to cope up with, no matter how perfect their CGPA is. I remember looking at my Physics books in 11th and wondering "how am I ever going to survive this?". It is really hard at first, so I would not be surprised if the students fail in the 11th exams. Boards and entrance is were it actually counts.

Yes, exactly. There is a huge question mark there. At least what they can do is make the syllabus similar for the two exams so that it is a little more bearable, and the students on have to waste so much money at the coaching classes every year.

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: seoulbeats

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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Heart

at least both the boards and entrance should have at least same or similar syllabus so that it does not much so much load on a student.

Exactly,I remember how difficult it was for me first to prepare myself with subjective Questions and then later on with objective ones.Plus some of the portion wouldnt be in my ISC board but they would be in the competetive exams so had to prepare it without much guidance and help.

Originally posted by: seoulbeats

This leniency in checking board papers has resulted in an enormous increase in number of students securing high marks and this inevitably leads to jump in cut-offs.

Exactly its like when you get your result you are so happy and later on you notice that almost everyone has got those numbers.And since so many get good marks this makes compe really tough and cut off go shooting up.

Originally posted by: zorrro

The students appearing in engineering entrance exams will have to do reasonably well in borads too as 40% weightage would be given to scores in board exam. The medical aspirants too may have to face the same fate in a yera or two.

That is so very unfair for the students giving competetive exams cuz students tend to focus less on subjects like Environment Hindi Computer etc and instead focus on Phy Chem Bio/maths cuz these are the subjects that are gonna help them clear competetive exam,so Imagine the burden on poor students.

Originally posted by: Heart

I remember looking at my Physics books in 11th and wondering "how am I ever going to survive this?"

True, board exams are much simpler compared to the competitive exams but can you imagine the amount of time a student spends preparing for board exams, when he or she can spend this time for entrance exams? At a certain point it seems like a waste, don't you think? It is like an extra burden

@ bold Exactly was my condition

And I agree board exams are way too simple than competetive exams .

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Posted: 13 years ago

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There should be no such tests to enter an educational institution...there should be enough classrooms for all ... and only a uniform should be there for people to enter, and a code of conduct to stay in the classroom.

Until that happens what should students do to enter educational institutions?Draw out lottery cards?

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